Buy local, support local, and get elsewhere

179club

There I am again. Trading in my 172 year car for 192. I live in Waterford and do all my business in Waterford. When I bought my 172 car I had to purchase in Kilkenny as the dealers in Waterford are selling so may cars they can offer the country's worst trade in values. So on my rounds again trying to support local. I was offered the usual insulting trade in price again. This time Skoda Clonmel offered me the price I wanted and gave me an upgraded set of wheels as a thank you. I had to go out of the county again.

ba_barabus

The shame, a T reg.

bazz26

So the moral of the story is always shop around.

ba_barabus

I work with a lad from Waterford who lives in Wexford who bought a car in Athlone.

colm_mcm

Some dealers don’t wanna make money, or get it wrong. Your job is to find that dealer.

179club

ba-barabus it is a W reg.

ba_barabus

179club wrote: »

ba-barabus it is a W reg.

Couldn't give that away in Tipp.

179club

I know where you are coming from. It is 47 km's to Clonmel. I am €3000 better of for 47 km's. MMMMMMM that is a colossal amount. I was offered €19000 in Waterford. €22000 in Clonmel.

NIMAN

When I came to change my last car I had to go to Monaghan to get one, as Donegal is diesel county!
I wanted a petrol.

freddieot

Always lived in Dublin. same issue here depending on the brand \ market .
Bought new twice in Kilkenny (Ford) and twice in Kildare (Volvo and Kia).

Always pays to check around.

Bought tyres in Newry as well when I was waiting for the other half who was shopping and saved about €150 on a full set of Michelins.

Heres Johnny

179club wrote: »

I know where you are coming from. It is 47 km's to Clonmel. I am €3000 better of for 47 km's. MMMMMMM that is a colossal amount. I was offered €19000 in Waterford. €22000 in Clonmel.

Was the cost to change €3000 in difference too on the exact same car or just the amount they were offering you?

179club

The amount they were offering me.

MarkN

So what was the cost of change on one versus the other then?!

179club

What is this cost of change. That is the car dealers way of trying to make out you are getting a good deal by what it is costing you to change. That was put to me as well. No it is what trade in value you are getting for your car. Do the maths. Cost of change will cost you more.

bazz26

The cost to change is how much money you have to put with your existing car in order to buy the newer car. It's the only figure that matters really.

MarkN

“Do the maths?” Ok

There is no doubt that shopping around is vital but if you don’t even know what cost of change is then you don’t know if you are getting a better deal or not.

What amount you need to give to get into your new car is all that matters, one dealer can offer you €12,000 for yours and another can offer you €14,000 for yours but the second offer still may not be the cheapest deal which is why that term the first dealer kept saying to you is so important.

L-M

179club wrote: »

What is this cost of change. That is the car dealers way of trying to make out you are getting a good deal by what it is costing you to change. That was put to me as well. No it is what trade in value you are getting for your car. Do the maths. Cost of change will cost you more.

But if the other dealers was was 3000 cheaper but they offered you 3000 less for your trade in, it’s the same thing?

Cost of change is all that matters

179club

The cost of change can be anything what you want. If you want to go for a different model or marque. I went from Nissan to Skoda. Some dealers went on about how much it will cost me to change. When I got figure's it put my trade in value lower than I wanted. That is why I want trade in price not cost of change price. You have to listen to yourself not dealers.

L-M

179club wrote: »

The cost of change can be anything what you want. If you want to go for a different model or marque. I went from Nissan to Skoda. Some dealers went on about how much it will cost me to change. When I got figure's it put my trade in value lower than I wanted. That is why I want trade in price not cost of change price. You have to listen to yourself not dealers.

You do realise you’re not making any sense?

Odelay

179club wrote: »

The cost of change can be anything what you want. If you want to go for a different model or marque. I went from Nissan to Skoda. Some dealers went on about how much it will cost me to change. When I got figure's it put my trade in value lower than I wanted. That is why I want trade in price not cost of change price. You have to listen to yourself not dealers.

You’re missing the point completely. Whooosh.

179club

How am I not making any sense. I shopped around different dealers in different counties and I can assure you for the exact model and spec I wanted the cost of change is a soft con. The cost of change dealers would not give me a trade in price..why? because the cost of change price was hiding a bad trade in price.

179club

No you are missing my point.

L-M

179club wrote: »

No you are missing my point.

If both dealers are selling the same car, one is Charing 29000 and gives you a 16000 trade in and the other is charging 27000 and giving you a 14000 trade in, are you saying the first one is a better deal?

179club

No not saying that at all. Look I wanted €22000 trade in for my car. One Skoda dealer offered me €19000. Other one 21000. Now two Skoda dealers would only discuss cost of change...what it is going to cost me to change. They would not give trade in price. The cost of change to me was €10000 from both dealers which put my car at €21000. They tried to convince me the cost of change was important to me as a trade in price was not important. I do not and will not haggle. That is why trade in price is important.

Odelay

179club wrote: »

No not saying that at all. Look I wanted €22000 trade in for my car. One Skoda dealer offered me €19000. Other one 21000. Now two Skoda dealers would only discuss cost of change...what it is going to cost me to change. They would not give trade in price. The cost of change to me was €10000 from both dealers which put my car at €21000. They tried to convince me the cost of change was important to me as a trade in price was not important. I do not and will not haggle. That is why trade in price is important.

If they offer you 22k for your car, but stick an extra 5k on the price of the new one. Would you be happy then?

L-M

179club wrote: »

No not saying that at all. Look I wanted €22000 trade in for my car. One Skoda dealer offered me €19000. Other one 21000. Now two Skoda dealers would only discuss cost of change...what it is going to cost me to change. They would not give trade in price. The cost of change to me was €10000 from both dealers which put my car at €21000. They tried to convince me the cost of change was important to me as a trade in price was not important. I do not and will not haggle. That is why trade in price is important.

If the cost was the same how was one deal better than the other?

Heres Johnny

You are so far wrong it's not even funny. I've a feeling you probably got a bad deal because you don't understand what you were doing. Only looking at one side of the transaction

Heres Johnny

Odelay wrote: »

If they offer you 22k for your car, but stick an extra 5k on the price of the new one. Would you be happy then?

Bang on here

mickdw

Did you go so far as see how much you would have to pay at each dealer?
Even buying a new car of identical spec at all dealers, some will stick hard to retail figure on the new car and give you a generous trade in. Others will give you everything they can discount wise and give a poor trade in.
If however in your case all dealers were pricing your trade in against full retail on identical cars, well clearly the higher trade in would be better but you need that clarity. I can well believe that such differences are out there.

standardg60

L-M wrote: »

If both dealers are selling the same car, one is Charing 29000 and gives you a 16000 trade in and the other is charging 27000 and giving you a 14000 trade in, are you saying the first one is a better deal?

I think it's time to give up L-M, some people are so focused on how much they're getting for their trade in they don't realise they're actually paying more than they could. Clearly several dealers have already tried to explain this unsuccessfully to the OP.

And i'm sure there are plenty of dealers out there who have cottoned on to this, price a car way over the odds, offer an attractive trade in price to the customer, and both go away happy!

bazz26

Jesus, this thread is mind boggling, reminds me of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2iZjxSGca8

Leprechaun77

Whilst the cost of change is the most important factor, you need to consider how this is arrived at. In my recent experience, the underlying value put on the trade-in is of utmost importance (call it trade value or whatever lingo you use). What if one garage values your car higher than another, or can get a better price from a trader they sell to?....if the cost to change is the same in this garage, it means they are not knocking off as much off the list. (On a new car)

Garage A: New Car list price €30k - trade price of old car €8k + €2k off list. Cost to change €20k

Garage B: New car list price €30k - trade price of old car €9.5k + €500 off list. Cost to change €20k

In this instance by knowing the finer details of the trade-in price, would you not go to Garage B and look for more off the list price?

Heres Johnny

Leprechaun77 wrote: »

Whilst the cost of change is the most important factor, you need to consider how this is arrived at. In my recent experience, the underlying value put on the trade-in is of utmost importance (call it trade value or whatever lingo you use). What if one garage values your car higher than another, or can get a better price from a trader they sell to?....if the cost to change is the same in this garage, it means they are not knocking off as much off the list. (On a new car)

Garage A: New Car list price €30k - trade price of old car €8k + €2k off list. Cost to change €20k

Garage B: New car list price €30k - trade price of old car €9.5k + €500 off list. Cost to change €20k

In this instance by knowing the finer details of the trade-in price, would you not go to Garage B and look for more off the list price?

All you are doing in that case is still getting the cost to change below 20k. Sure you could equally go to garage A as well and get them to increase trade in allowance. Result.... Cost to change drops below 20k.

Who cares about the component parts of the deal?
We get it in work all the time with suppliers of our materials.
Some offer discounts on their products, some offer free delivery while others charge, some offer nothing but have a good price to begin with.

All things being equal we buy from the supplier than can have the materials with us at the lowest landed price, to hell with the component parts of the deal, it can all be false economy.

Leprechaun77

Heres Johnny wrote: »

All you are doing in that case is still getting the cost to change below 20k. Sure you could equally go to garage A as well and get them to increase trade in allowance. Result.... Cost to change drops below 20k.

Who cares about the component parts of the deal?
We get it in work all the time with suppliers of our materials.
Some offer discounts on their products, some offer free delivery while others charge, some offer nothing but have a good price to begin with.

All things being equal we buy from the supplier than can have the materials with us at the lowest landed price, to hell with the component parts of the deal, it can all be false economy.

In my example above, I would have had a choice at outset of a cost to change of €20k initially whichever dealer I went to. By knowing the components, I can now get this down to €18.5k based on a solid reason.

I have used this exact logic this year buying a car and it has worked. From initially looking at who had the best ‘cost to change’, I was able to use the components of this to go further. In my instance, it transpired that one garage was offering a trade price of €2.5k more than most of the others for our old car. They agreed to match the reduction off list that the others gave which resulted in a much lower price. Whilst they ultimately then had the lowest cost to change, I would not have been able to do this without knowing the full details of the deal, I.e. the trade price of my old car.

carsfan2

This is all getting very complicated.
Surely if someone is looking to buy car x and goes to different garages all selling car x, then the one that wants the least amount of money to trade is what ultimately counts, not what they tell you your car is worth?

Heres Johnny

Leprechaun77 wrote: »

In my example above, I would have had a choice at outset of a cost to change of €20k initially whichever dealer I went to. By knowing the components, I can now get this down to €18.5k based on a solid reason.

I have used this exact logic this year buying a car and it has worked. From initially looking at who had the best ‘cost to change’, I was able to use the components of this to go further. In my instance, it transpired that one garage was offering a trade price of €2.5k more than most of the others for our old car. They agreed to match the reduction off list that the others gave which resulted in a much lower price. Whilst they ultimately then had the lowest cost to change, I would not have been able to do this without knowing the full details of the deal, I.e. the trade price of my old car.

Thats just haggling and you did a good job at it.

ba_barabus

This thread must be a wind up

colm_mcm

We are assuming all the cars the OP is looking at are equal.

One could be ex demo, the other could be ex hire with twice the mileage etc.

road_high

Friend of a friend saved €500 on a new Peugeot 208 bought in Kilkenny vs Dublin from a main dealer. The Peugeot warranty means the same bought wherever so it pays to shop around

corks finest

179club wrote: »

There I am again. Trading in my 172 year car for 192. I live in Waterford and do all my business in Waterford. When I bought my 172 car I had to purchase in Kilkenny as the dealers in Waterford are selling so may cars they can offer the country's worst trade in values. So on my rounds again trying to support local. I was offered the usual insulting trade in price again. This time Skoda Clonmel offered me the price I wanted and gave me an upgraded set of wheels as a thank you. I had to go out of the county again.

Similar experiences in Cork, contacted loads of garages in the city,NONE interested in even seeing my car,so the last 3 have been bought in Cahir and Dublin,for me dealers in Cork are too greedy,not all obviously