Should Ireland have an honors system?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

I know England has knighthoods and CBE's and the like. And France has something similar. Not sure about other countries?

Every Irish person is meant to be completely the same in status, we are all equals. Which is a really good principle. But I would like a way to honor Irish people who have achieved extraordinary things in their life. Maybe limit it to 10 people per year?

Great writers and sportspeople and charity workers should be given a type of award or title that recognises their great service in bettering our country. People can be given the 'Freedom of the City' award but that's too local imo. I would like to see the state recognise Irish people who have done great things.

MyStubbleItches

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I know England has knighthoods and CBE's and the like. And France has something similar. Not sure about other countries?

Every Irish person is meant to be completely the same in status, we are all equals. Which is a really good principle. But I would like a way to honor Irish people who have achieved extraordinary things in their life. Maybe limit it to 10 people per year?

Great writers and sportspeople and charity workers should be given a type of award or title that recognises their great service in bettering our country. People can be given the 'Freedom of the City' award but that's too local imo. I would like to see the state recognise Irish people who have done great things.

Calor housewife of the year.

BuboBubo

You mean like a medal and a scroll from Micky D?

u140acro3xs7dm

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I know England has knighthoods and CBE's and the like. And France has something similar. Not sure about other countries?

Every Irish person is meant to be completely the same in status, we are all equals. Which is a really good principle. But I would like a way to honor Irish people who have achieved extraordinary things in their life. Maybe limit it to 10 people per year?

Great writers and sportspeople and charity workers should be given a type of award or title that recognises their great service in bettering our country. People can be given the 'Freedom of the City' award but that's too local imo. I would like to see the state recognise Irish people who have done great things.

It would end up been full of politicians friends.

BuboBubo

MyStubbleItches wrote: »

Calor housewife of the year.

Doesn't Mary have a lovely bottom.

KWAG2019

I'd be wary of the usual suspects being paraded out again.

I expect he'll be along shortly.

EmmetSpiceland

It’s a nice idea but, let’s face it, you’re going to have crooks and gougers “selling” them off to the highest bidders.

Not hard to imagine the most likely crooks lining up to receive theirs.

NSAman

Nope. The daily crap in the papers is the reward for our celebrities.

General, word of mouth and community recognition should be enough, for those that we all know do good things for others.

It would be like everything else in Ireland, highjacked to spend money on those that do not deserve it.

u140acro3xs7dm

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

It’s a nice idea but, let’s face it, you’re going to have crooks and gougers “selling” them off to the highest bidders.

Not hard to imagine the most likely crooks lining up to receive theirs.

I bet his/her legal team is monitoring this thread right now.

elperello

No.
If you do something good it's enough to know it yourself without looking for public validation.

Feisar

After Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, awards sort of lost their meaning.

lawred2

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

I know England has knighthoods and CBE's and the like. And France has something similar. Not sure about other countries?

Every Irish person is meant to be completely the same in status, we are all equals. Which is a really good principle. But I would like a way to honor Irish people who have achieved extraordinary things in their life. Maybe limit it to 10 people per year?

Great writers and sportspeople and charity workers should be given a type of award or title that recognises their great service in bettering our country. People can be given the 'Freedom of the City' award but that's too local imo. I would like to see the state recognise Irish people who have done great things.

couldn't think of anything worse

El Tarangu

I think that these honorifics go against the spirit of living in republic; we are all citizens, with no-one person being held as being any more or less equal than any other.

Anyway, we already have medals and awards that give the very worthy recipients a chance to go out to the Áras to meet Michael D. and the dogs.

bennyineire

I think you need to look up the definition of what a republic is (yes I know France is a Republic before you point it out)

Irish people for centuries had to bow and address people by their "correct" titles when most of these people earned these titles purely on the lottery of life.

Respect has to be earned not because of who your family is, no need for titles. I would never address anybody by a makey up title.

Our ancestors fought long and hard with great sacrifice so that me and you don't have to address anybody by a title, lets keep it that way

freshpopcorn

Only if we could also have a foundation level system for people like me.

NSAman

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Only if we could also have a foundation level system for people like me.

Max Factor do a course!

Mad_maxx

BuboBubo wrote: »

Doesn't Mary have a lovely bottom.

delicious buns too .

SafeSurfer

It would just cause endless controversy. Half of them would have to be women regardless of merit. In another few years half of them will have to be transgender or disabled, travellers or immigrants.

I’m not in any way disparaging people from any of these groups. However people seem to view membership of these groups as a merit in itself when it comes to public awards.

lawred2

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It would just cause endless controversy. Half of them would have to be women regardless of merit. In another few years half of them will have to be transgender or disabled, travellers or immigrants.

I’m not in any way disparaging people from any of these groups. However people seem to view membership of these groups as a merit in itself when it comes to public awards.

or indeed half would have to be men regardless or merit

funny how you automatically presume all men receiving awards would do so on merit...

Vita nova

People that have achieved great things are already recognised in the media and through less formal honours such as an honorary doctorate, freedom of a city, etc, so I don't think we need state awarded honours. And as others have mentioned, it would be open to political abuse and would probably end up being devalued.

topper75

honours has a u OP.

So the state has now put you on one negative point, -1. The rest of us are zero. Except for John Delaney on -2.

SafeSurfer

lawred2 wrote: »

or indeed half would have to be men regardless or merit

funny how you automatically presume all men receiving awards would do so on merit...

Do we have jobs where only men can apply in Ireland? No
Do we have jobs where only women can apply in Ireland?
Yes

Do we have quotas where people are selected not on their merit but on their gender? Yes

Are these quotas specifically for men? No

Yurt2

Article 40.2.1 of the Constitution

"Titles of nobility shall not be conferred by the State"

Probably just as well as such systems are ripe for f*ckery. Skeezy property developers and foreign despots would end up as recepients.

Fr_Dougal

Denis O’Brien.

beejee

Honour. And if another Yankee doodle uses "weary" instead of "wary" again I shall shatter their lips with a rusted wrench.

No, you werent ****ing "weary" of the dodgy bloke in the alley, you stupid ****, you ****ing imbecilic ****!

Duffy the Vampire Slayer

Fox Tangy Tutorial wrote: »

It would end up been full of politicians friends.

That already happens with knighthoods in Britain.

alchemist33

topper75 wrote: »

honours has a u OP.

So the state has now put you on one negative point, -1. The rest of us are zero. Except for John Delaney on -2.

"And an Order of Ireland honour goes to topper75 for services to spelling..."

Plumbthedepths

We already have a quasi honours system. 'Freedom of the city' it's enough.

Berserker

On what grounds is the freedom of a city in Ireland awarded?

millenials: a bronze medal

middle aged: sliver medal

senior citizens: gold medal

all of these medals can be worn as military bars

Plumbthedepths

Berserker wrote: »

On what grounds is the freedom of a city in Ireland awarded?

No idea, nor do I care, but Geldof was one of the recipients of the freedom of Dublin. Threw a hissy fit gave it back or had it removed can't remember which, couldn't be bothered to check tbh.

topper75

alchemist33 wrote: »

"And an Order of Ireland honour goes to topper75 for services to spelling..."

"..and to alchemist33 for selfless work in demonstrating chatroom repartee to underprivileged kids..."

Let the backslapping begin!

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

beejee wrote: »

Honour. And if another Yankee doodle uses "weary" instead of "wary" again I shall shatter their lips with a rusted wrench.

No, you werent ****ing "weary" of the dodgy bloke in the alley, you stupid ****, you ****ing imbecilic ****!

*weren't

If you're going to correct grammar, you need to have your own p's and q's 100% correct lolol.

My spelling went with Boards, it put up that 'recognises' should have a z instead of an s. I resisted that.

beejee

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

*weren't

If you're going to correct grammar, you need to have your own p's and q's 100% correct lolol.

My spelling went with Boards, it put up that 'recognises' should have a z instead of an s. I resisted that.

But I didn't correct grammar. I corrected spelling Grammar is totally nuked thanks to predictive text phones, unfortunately.

The Tetrarch

It would end up as a Civil Service Employee of the Month award, given to people who buy big printers, electronic voting machines, regulate the banks, and rent buildings that remain empty for years.

Capt'n Midnight

Feisar wrote: »

After Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize, awards sort of lost their meaning.

Political satire became obsolete when Henry Kissinger was awarded the Nobel peace prize.

- Tom Lehrer


And then there's this one :eek:
https://www.nobelprize.org/nomination/redirector/?redir=archive/show.php&id=3243

We have far too many people above their station as is.

RobertKK

No, it would be friends awarding friends, a case of who you know rather than if on merit, most great people get no recognition.