Timber stud wall porch

listermint

So working my way through renovations of the house. And on going slog but lining up jobs as they come.

The front door is an area wanted to vastly improve. Original plan was to repaint the existing slide door and frames replace the wooden front door with a composite.

But I've changed my mind entirely the porch is wasted space . It's dated and even a paint won't raise it that much. I've a bunch of granite stone for steps waiting in the garden so I'm going to improve the lot.

Porch image attached below this post





New plan.

Remove entire aluminium porch . Stud out part of it timber frame. Clad stud in OSB3. Insulate. install long vertical window left side and new composite front door and dual window either side where existing slider is. Wrap the walls in breathable membrane. Then clad the whole thing. I've also got a heap of cedar cladding sitting to be used. Then sort out the concrete below with new granite steps and pavers all around.


So pros of this.

Ease of construction.
Insulation options .
Entire porch is already supported by the existing columns and is inside the roof apron of the house and attic space too. I.e roof of porch is currently below the attic.



Concerns.
Water ingress.
How to handle joins to existing building.
How to handle window to frame joints in relation to above. Also door for same concern.
For cladding how to avoid ingress if fixings must pierce the membrane wrap.



Thoughts? Opinions?

listermint

I guess there's low interest in timber stud construction :P

dodzy

listermint wrote: »

I guess there's low interest in timber stud construction :P

It’s most likely down to the fact that you know more than 99% of people around here about DIY stuff

listermint

dodzy wrote: »

It’s most likely down to the fact that you know more than 99% of people around here about DIY stuff

This disappoints

I need to stop reading

Rows Grower

You're going to lose an awful lot of natural light.

Those conifers in the pot don't look too good.

Calahonda52

listermint wrote: »

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But I've changed my mind entirely the porch is wasted space ..

How will all the work you have outlined address this central tenet of the project?

Will cedar cladding be over the red brick columns?
As for water ingress, consider rain cladding design

listermint

Rows Grower wrote: »

You're going to lose an awful lot of natural light.

Those conifers in the pot don't look too good.

There's no natural light there now as it's all behind another door. So no loss. It will gain natural light with clear panes.

Also the conifers are going

listermint

Calahonda52 wrote: »

How will all the work you have outlined address this central tenet of the project?

Will cedar cladding be over the red brick columns?
As for water ingress, consider rain cladding design

The central tenet I suppose is to replace the existing door but update the front of the house . Cladding will cover all red brick. Right around.

Also want to insulate this part of the house it's the last remaining bit the rest was wrapped in 200mm EPS

disposableFish

Y'know...I kind of think it has a lot going for it.

It's isn't a tiny, pokey space like a lot of those porches are.
You've got what, about 1.5m^3 to the left of the door - it would make a lovely little greenhouse.
I think the tiling and red brick on the inside looks nice.

In terms of overall appearance...sure it's a little dated but if you put timber cladding on it, while the cladding might be lovely, it wouldn't match the rest of the house and would look a bit weird. A dated style that's kept well tends to look better than a mishmash of different ones.

It's got a couple of issues.
The main one is the outside groundwork and it sounds like you've got a nice plan for that.
I would consider painting the brick column to match the rest of the house.

The brown frames...they're not pretty, are they.
I do like the idea of improving the porch door so you can get rid of the front door - I'd guess that part of your house isn't too bright and it would add a lot.
I'd go for a fairly like-for-like replacement though, with basically the same layout but with a swing instead of sliding door and black or white frames.
Why did you want to go for studding part of it? You'd be losing a lot of light and probably not changing the look for the better. If it's cost, would you really make that much difference?
Insulation? New windows will be pretty good and it won't make much difference on such a small area.

Calahonda52

So you plan to remove the existing internal front door?
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If correct then you are losing a key function of the porch, if use properly, is to act as a draught lobby, which in my view, as energy consultant is complete madness, and also from a security point of view.
You know all about air changes...
Also very useful for deliveries
Is the redbrick wall EWI'd on the other side, trying to figure out where the thermal bridges are?
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What is the finish above the non door panel, trying to figure out how the cladding would work.

disposableFish

Calahonda52 wrote: »

So you plan to remove the existing internal front door?
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If correct then you are losing a key function of the porch.

In fairness, that might have been me taking him up the wrong way.

If you're keeping the front door then I'd go with your original plan of changing the front door and keeping the porch door/windows as they are (assuming it's a choice between the two).

listermint

Ya plan was to remove front door and make this the new front door incorporating this entire space into the hallway of the house. Lowering the ceiling to match the existing hall.

In terms of the cladding would go with vertical cladding about 400 mm on the right of the door. And about 400 mm to the left of the door. Then wrapped around the red brick colum and similar on the left side either side of a vertical full length window.