So the Continental Irish car of the year is the Kia e-Soul. A big first for awards in

AMKC

Its a big first in this country for electric cars.

Here is a link to the Kia e-Soul thread,

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057974090

bmc58

AMKC wrote: »

Its a big first in this country for electric cars.

Here is a link to the Kia e-Soul thread,

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057974090

Spin and fake news.Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

Calahonda52

bmc58 wrote: »

Spin and fake news.Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

Have you the driving patterns for Ireland on which this ascertain is founded please?

AMKC

bmc58 wrote: »

Spin and fake news.Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

Its not fake news. The ESB are upgrading the network

I think its great to see an electric car win.

Ubbquittious

It hardly won for aesthetics anyway

159conor

Not that surprising considering it was one of Bob Flavins favorite cars of this year, Bob is co chairman of the committee

AMKC

Ubbquittious wrote: »

It hardly won for aesthetics anyway

I suppose you would prefer a car with a low roof and a rear window not you can not see out off like most cars these days. Funny people complain about these things and the way its more awkward to judge reversing a car now etc and a car like the Soul or Juke comes along and all of a sudden they talk aesthetics.

0lddog

How many do Kia plan to ship into Ireland during 2020 ?

Gumbo

bmc58 wrote: »

Spin and fake news.Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

I’ve an EV over 3 years now. Can’t remember the last time I’ve used a public charger so clearly not everyone needs public charging.

159conor

0lddog wrote: »

How many do Kia plan to ship into Ireland during 2020 ?

As a rough guess kia sold 494304 cars last year in Europe and to meet eu co2 limits they need to sell 40 000 full evs so roughly 12% of cars have to be evs so I say with kia sales of 7,314 last year in Ireland 877.6 electric kia's split between the soal and the nero

Ubbquittious

AMKC wrote: »

I suppose you would prefer a car with a low roof and a rear window not you can not see out off like most cars these days. Funny people complain about these things and the way its more awkward to judge reversing a car now etc and a car like the Soul or Juke comes along and all of a sudden they talk aesthetics.

A lot of recent cars are ugly. Exceptions (apart from mad exotic stuff) for me would be the RCZ and most recent Micra but the Soul has always been a dreadful looking yoke

AMKC

Ubbquittious wrote: »

A lot of recent cars are ugly. Exceptions (apart from mad exotic stuff) for me would be the RCZ and most recent Micra but the Soul has always been a dreadful looking yoke

Looks are subjective. I have always liked the Kia Soul but been disappointed with the choice of engines which I think held it back. I think it would have sold more if it had a choice of diesel and petrol engines but hope the new e-Soul does well now.

KCross

159conor wrote: »

As a rough guess kia sold 494304 cars last year in Europe and to meet eu co2 limits they need to sell 40 000 full evs so roughly 12% of cars have to be evs so I say with kia sales of 7,314 last year in Ireland 877.6 electric kia's split between the soal and the nero

How did you calculate those figures?

You’d need the CO2 emissions breakdown of the 494k cars to be able to do the calcs.

Is that data publicly available for each manufacturer?

159conor

KCross wrote: »

How did you calculate those figures?

You’d need the CO2 emissions breakdown of the 494k cars to be able to do the calcs.

Is that data publicly available for each manufacturer?

I got the figures from here.
https://www.electrive.com/2019/08/02/kia-is-banking-on-bevs-for-co2-targets/

Soarer

bmc58 wrote: »

Spin and fake news.Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

Just like your post so.

ELM327

bmc58 wrote: »

Spin and fake news.Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

Why are you on an EV forum so?

bmc58

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Have you the driving patterns for Ireland on which this ascertain is founded please?

Well I drive to outside Coachford in Co Cork from South Tipp twice a week a distance of 270 kms each way(for family reasons) up and down the M8 with some driving round my local town before I leave.And with a range of 280 I would be sweating on the way home.I have no idea where there are any charging points on the way,but I would not have time to wait to charge up if I had to.So yes I have some small idea of how this particular EV would not suit me.OK?

Lumen

bmc58 wrote: »

Well I drive to outside Coachford in Co Cork from South Tipp twice a week a distance of 270 kms each way(for family reasons) up and down the M8 with some driving round my local town before I leave.And with a range of 280 I would be sweating on the way home.I have no idea where there are any charging points on the way,but I would not have time to wait to charge up if I had to.So yes I have some small idea of how this particular EV would not suit me.OK?

But you wrote....

bmc58 wrote: »

Charging network needs major upgrading for majority of Irish drivers to even consider an EV.

It's not entirely clear from your post whether you do 270x2 once a week (28k a year) or 270x2 twice a week (56k a year) but that sort of driving pattern is not typical for the majority of Irish drivers.

Soarer

bmc58 wrote: »

Well I drive to outside Coachford in Co Cork from South Tipp twice a week a distance of 270 kms each way(for family reasons) up and down the M8 with some driving round my local town before I leave.And with a range of 280 I would be sweating on the way home.I have no idea where there are any charging points on the way,but I would not have time to wait to charge up if I had to.So yes I have some small idea of how this particular EV would not suit me.OK?

South Tipp to Coachford isn't 270kms each way.

Cork to Dublin is hardly that!

So maybe you don't have "some small idea of how this particular EV would not suit me.OK?"

bmc58

Soarer wrote: »

South Tipp to Coachford isn't 270kms each way.

Cork to Dublin is hardly that!

So maybe you don't have "some small idea of how this particular EV would not suit me.OK?"

S Tipp to Outside Coachford IS 270 each way.Dont tell me what I do twice weekly.I'm not putting my exact personal details on here,but it is.

bmc58

Lumen wrote: »

But you wrote....



It's not entirely clear from your post whether you do 270x2 once a week (28k a year) or 270x2 twice a week (56k a year) but that sort of driving pattern is not typical for the majority of Irish drivers.

I drive around 56k a year on average.

JPA

bmc58 wrote: »

S Tipp to Outside Coachford IS 270 each way.Dont tell me what I do twice weekly.I'm not putting my exact personal details on here,but it is.

North Tipp to Baltimore isn't even 270km...

Joseph SEE

I didn't think this forum tolerated throlling and libelous statements?

0lddog

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drunkmonkey

It's horrendous looking on the outside, interior is nice though and it's well specced but mental money. First time I've seen it.

Riddle me this why is the range so short if the battery is so big, VW seem to be getting close enough to it with a battery only 1/3 of the size.

452 km 150 kW

JohnC.

What VW is close with 1/3 the battery?

drunkmonkey

The ID3 mid range 58kW (420km)

JohnC.

58 isn't 1/3 of 64

drunkmonkey

JohnC. wrote: »

58 isn't 1/3 of 64

No but it's nearly 1/3 of 150. Where did you see 64?

Black_Knight

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No but it's nearly 1/3 of 150. Where did you see 64?

Is 150kW the power of the car (like bhp), rather than the size of it's battery (which is 64kW).

drunkmonkey

You could be right...couldn't figure it out, I presumed it was range when the km was before the kw, yet VW say it the other way.
It's rougly 200bhp, impressive.

JPA

Black_Knight wrote: »

Is 150kW the power of the car (like bhp), rather than the size of it's battery (which is 64kW).

64 kWh

Black_Knight

JPA wrote: »

64 kWh

Apologies.

When is kW the correct unit again?

pburns

COTY infamous for some fairly curious 'winners' over the years that bombed in the marketplace e.g. Chrysler Horizon, Renault 9, FIAT Brava.

An electric car brings a bit of publicity to the awards. They're not going anywhere for a decade at least until their shortcomings become apparent.

ELM327

Black_Knight wrote: »

Apologies.

When is kW the correct unit again?

This is how I remember (and it took a while to stick for me!)

kWh = stored energy (so battery size)
kW = power (so energy flow, motors, charging speed etc)

Soarer

bmc58 wrote: »

S Tipp to Outside Coachford IS 270 each way.Dont tell me what I do twice weekly.I'm not putting my exact personal details on here,but it is.

Maybe you mean return?

'Cause something ain't right.

drunkmonkey

I've read a few reviews, this seem like a very good car. I still haven't adjusted to the looks from the side or back, I like the look from the front.

Go to 25.25. :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZui4kDxgAU

irishgrover

bmc58 wrote: »

I drive around 56k a year on average.

I drive a similar distance, in an EV, with a tiny (28) battery, on motorways, averaging 125km/ph...

each to their own..

serfboard

Soarer wrote: »

Maybe you mean return?
'Cause something ain't right.

Has to be return, if the post was serious at all and not trolling.

ViaMichelin gives Carrick-On-Suir to Coachford as 132km, giving almost 270km return.