110km commute each way

godtabh

I’ve been offered a new job that includes a company car.

For BIK reasons I’m considering the new Leaf (smaller battery).

The company doesn’t have a charge point but it is located beside Mullingear Nissan (where I’ve test driven the car). They have said charging there would be no problem.

I’ll be doing close to 1000km a week alone on work trips with Bad M50/N4 traffic 5 days a week.

Would a leaf be suitable here?

ELM327

Not enough range in the new leaf for that
You'd be better off with a Kona/Eniro/Esoul/Tesla

You can't rely on charging every day at a garage (which you would in a new leaf)

godtabh

Might look at the eNiro but then I’m stuck with charging.

ELM327

Most people who have EVs charge mostly at home. (or work)
If you've no home charging then I would not suggest buying a leaf (or any EV) for a work car.

Lumen

So there's effectively a destination charger at the workplace.

Can you also charge at home?

If so you only need 110km of range (plus whatever safety margin).

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

So there's effectively a destination charger at the workplace.

Can you also charge at home?

If so you only need 110km of range (plus whatever safety margin).

But it's at a garage and a publicly available station?
You're not suggesting that this is a viable/reliable option?

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

But it's at a garage and a publicly available station?
You're not suggesting that this is a viable/reliable option?

I've no idea what the charging facilities are like at Mullingar Nissan, do you?

unkel

If you don't have pretty much guaranteed home or work charging, an EV is not for you. Not until we have a top quality fast charging network and you have a long range fast charging EV

I'm with ELM327 here, a public charger at a Nissan garage next door does not constitute pretty much guaranteed work charging.

Lumen wrote: »

I've no idea what the charging facilities are like at Mullingar Nissan, do you?

I don't know either, maybe even a CHAdeMO DC fast charger? But I do know I would not rely on it.

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

I've no idea what the charging facilities are like at Mullingar Nissan, do you?

I test drove the nissan leaf 40 there, it's a busy garage, not to be relied upon in fairness!

charlieIRL

Also if they have a demo car or a car ready to go to a new customer, they will have it charging and it will have priority over you.

I wouldn't like to be depending on a charger in a dealer either, would they be thinking, here's this lad again in for his free top up??

ELM327

charlieIRL wrote: »

Also if they have a demo car or a car ready to go to a new customer, they will have it charging and it will have priority over you.

I wouldn't like to be depending on a charger in a dealer either, would they be thinking, here's this lad again in for his free top up??

Every day :P

Mickeroo

There's an EasyGo charger at the mullingar park hotel too, plus a few other chargers on the route (assuming they're coming from dublin). It would be risky though and a home charger would be a necessity. Can't say I'd do it myself tbh.

An e-niro with home charging would be a much better option.

Mike9832

Why not new 62kWh Leaf?

KCross

godtabh wrote: »

The company doesn’t have a charge point but it is located beside Mullingear Nissan (where I’ve test driven the car). They have said charging there would be no problem.

If the company is willing to buy you an EV surely they are forward thinking enough to put in a work charger? It is small money relative to them buying the car!

Is there any reason why they cant?

godtabh wrote: »

I’ll be doing close to 1000km a week alone on work trips with Bad M50/N4 traffic 5 days a week.

Would a leaf be suitable here?

As others have said...
With home and work charging yes.
Without those, no.

Might look at the eNiro but then I’m stuck with charging.

Availability with be your issue with getting an eNiro. Leaf is readily available.

The eNiro will do 350-450km on one charge so all you need is work or home charging available.

40kWh Leaf will only do 170-240km so you'll probably need work AND home charging.

The home charging is the more important one as you'll presumably want to drive the car at the weekend as well.

Do you have a driveway and are you willing to put in a charge point?

ELM327

Mike9832 wrote: »

Why not new 62kWh Leaf?

Chademo only, will take over an hour to "fast" charge to 80% at 50kW


You need something with CCS if you are driving for work , to use Ionity etc.
To be honest if it were me I'd get a model 3 SR+

KCross

Mike9832 wrote: »

Why not new 62kWh Leaf?

What can that be had for OTR again?
Is it €34k after grants and Nissan scrappage?

That might be an option alright.

Has that been range tested at speed in cold winter yet?

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

What can that be had for OTR again?
Is it €34k after grants and Nissan scrappage?

That might be an option alright.

Has that been range tested at speed in cold winter yet?

It's not 34k for sure. I think I saw 42k after grant price for the 62kWh


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-192-new-nissan-leaf-62kw-latest-long/22528153

Mike9832

KCross wrote: »

What can that be had for OTR again?
Is it €34k after grants and Nissan scrappage?

That might be an option alright.

Has that been range tested at speed in cold winter yet?

Exactly

https://www.nissan.ie/vehicles/offers/big-electric-switch.html

Bjorn tested it at

370km @ 90kmh
255km @120kmh

No idea on temps

Should surely do well over 220km in winter

Salary Negotiator

OP I've a Kona with home charging and my weekly commute is 1100km. There's no way I'd rely on 3rd party or public charging. It's only doable if you have home charging.

godtabh

Only test drove the leaf.

Will install a home charge if I got that way. Work maybe the issue.

godtabh

Also this is a company car so it will be a lease through work.

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

To be honest if it were me I'd get a model 3 SR+

Yeah, but it's about 10k more than a Kona/e-Niro and has about 10% less WLTP range.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

It's not 34k for sure. I think I saw 42k after grant price for the 62kWh


https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-192-new-nissan-leaf-62kw-latest-long/22528153

SV premium on nissan.ie is €37,840.
They are offering €3500 off that with scrappage so its €34k alright.

ELM327

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, but it's about 10k more than a Kona/e-Niro and has about 10% less WLTP range.

Yes but much faster charging in more locations and a bigger car.
We're talking about driving for work here

KCross wrote: »

SV premium on nissan.ie is €37,840.
They are offering €3500 off that with scrappage so its €34k alright.

Ok, that's a fair bit cheaper than I had seen elsewhere. It's not a bad deal at 34k for 62kWh model actually. Even with the various limitations - which I won't go into as it's done to death here

Mike9832

Lumen wrote: »

Yeah, but it's about 10k more than a Kona/e-Niro and has about 10% less WLTP range.

On that 10k

208e/eCorsa/Zoe are all available early 2020 and 10k less than Kona/eNiro

With 50kWh batteries they'd do that 220km commute

€27,000 is what Peugeot have priced e208 at and from personal experience Kona is no bigger than 208, both small cars

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

Ok, that's a fair bit cheaper than I had seen elsewhere. It's not a bad deal at 34k for 62kWh model actually. Even with the various limitations - which I won't go into as it's done to death here

And tbf its a big step up money wise to a Tesla Model 3.

If the company are willing to fork out then of course you'd go for that but thats a completely different league.


If an L62 can do the return trip without charging then its a decent option... just get home charging.

Lumen

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes but much faster charging in more locations and a bigger car. We're talking about driving for work here

godtabh can clarify, but I think we're talking about driving to work.

If it's just a 220km daily round trip you'd never need to go near public chargers with a Kona/e-Niro. Just charge overnight at home.

For about 34 (OTR) L62 is bang on the money and you could easily charge 250km of daily range in 8 hours overnight. I guess the sales at initial 42k OTR have been less than stellar :-)

ELM327

godtabh wrote: »

I’ve been offered a new job that includes a company car.

For BIK reasons I’m considering the new Leaf (smaller battery).

The company doesn’t have a charge point but it is located beside Mullingear Nissan (where I’ve test driven the car). They have said charging there would be no problem.

I’ll be doing close to 1000km a week alone on work trips with Bad M50/N4 traffic 5 days a week.

Would a leaf be suitable here?

Lumen wrote: »

godtabh can clarify, but I think we're talking about driving to work.

If it's just a 220km daily round trip you'd never need to go near public chargers with a Kona/e-Niro. Just charge overnight at home.

if it's just commuting to and from work with no additional trips during the day then yes any of the newer 300km + range cars will do the job with home charging


My reading of the post was commuting + 1000km of driving for work

godtabh

Lumen wrote: »

godtabh can clarify, but I think we're talking about driving to work.

If it's just a 220km daily round trip you'd never need to go near public chargers with a Kona/e-Niro. Just charge overnight at home.

Yes driving to work but that is also a good point. From time to time I may need to go else where meetings etc.

KCross

godtabh wrote: »

Also this is a company car so it will be a lease through work.

I wonder would that mean you couldnt get the scrappage deal?

To get scrappage you'd have to be trading in a banger in the companies name.

unkel

L62 is €34k now?

That puts the car in a completely different light. Compared to other longer range EVs which are mostly overpriced these days, it's not such a bad deal all of a sudden if you need a substantial range but don't need to use public fast charging much.

I'm sure the company could buy a €50 "company car" somewhere to be used for the scrappage

Casati

I’ll be shot for saying it but have you considered a diesel? If you are putting up 50k before you add in personal miles and additional work trips you’ll be on the lowest rate BIK anyway. Also if you get into work, have to go to a meeting somewhere you’ll likely have to charge again before going home - will you have time to wait at the Nissan garage etc?

If you don’t have work charging then you are paying for all the fueling/ electricity bills where as I presume if you got a diesel the company would be handing you a fuel card as is typical with company cars.

Ideally the company would stick in a charge point and then you’d need to only top up at home rather than fully charge every night.

Be interesting also to see what kind of lease costs you’d get on a 64kw Leaf with your mileage? I’ve not seen EV lease rates but presume with such low depreciation on these cars that lease deals are a lot cheaper than a conventional diesel

KCross

unkel wrote: »

I'm sure the company could buy a €50 "company car" somewhere to be used for the scrappage

Would it even work that way though. I've never leased a car but wouldnt that be done via a leasing company who would have no interest in messing around with €50 bangers to get discounts?

unkel

Scrappage would likely only be available to private buyers anyway. But it might be worth exploring.

KCross

I dont think the T&C's say anything about it being private only, other than the scrapper has to be in the same name as the new car.

Im sure Nissan will take every sale they get but buying through a 3rd party leasing company might be an issue.
Op will have to check with the company... maybe they mean it will just be a bank loan in which case the €50 banger might work if the company is willing to deal with the hassle.

Calahonda52

godtabh wrote: »

I’ve been offered a new job that includes a company car.

For BIK reasons I’m considering the new Leaf (smaller battery).

The company doesn’t have a charge point but it is located beside Mullingear Nissan (where I’ve test driven the car). They have said charging there would be no problem.

I’ll be doing close to 1000km a week alone on work trips with Bad M50/N4 traffic 5 days a week.

Would a leaf be suitable here?

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madness under all the headings listed already, coupled with greed.
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My concern would be that you run out of juice on a company related work trip: they won't be forgiving because you want to save personal tax, effectively at their expense se because you are unable to fulfil your duties