89-year old Holocaust survivor receiving hundreds of threats daily

Dohnjoe

She is an Auschwitz survivor and is currently a senator in Italy. She has recently called for the establishment of an anti-hate committee. She now receives torrents of threats and hate messages every day and has to have police protection.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50329597

It comes after Ms Segre, an Italian life senator, called for parliament to establish a committee to combat hate.

The motion passed despite a lack of support by Italy's right-wing parties.

Members of the nationalist League party, led by Matteo Salvini, the centre-right Forza Italia and the far-right Brothers of Italy all abstained from the vote in Milan last week.

The motion called for the establishment of an extraordinary commission in Italy to combat all forms of racism, anti-Semitism, incitement to hatred and violence on ethnic and religious grounds.

Disgusting stuff

73bc61lyohr0mu

Twitter and social media as a whole is nothing but a gutter..

biko

The title makes it seem like she's under threat for being Jewish.

This is the reason "It comes after Ms Segre, an Italian life senator, called for parliament to establish a committee to combat hate"

It's not really clear what this commission would do.
Expressions of hate are already illegal under the Mancino Law.

that is lamentable but it is certainly relevant to note "Italian Senator" in the title of the thread imo

AllForIt

...a committee to combat hate? Just sounds so ridiculous.

Dohnjoe

AllForIt wrote: »

...a committee to combat hate? Just sounds so ridiculous.

It's a parliamentary commission to investigate hate speech, racism, antisemitism

Overheal

biko wrote: »

The title makes it seem like she's under threat for being Jewish.

This is the reason "It comes after Ms Segre, an Italian life senator, called for parliament to establish a committee to combat hate"

It's not really clear what this commission would do.
Expressions of hate are already illegal under the Mancino Law.

"Liliana Segre, who was sent to the notorious Auschwitz death camp at 13, has been subjected to a barrage of anti-Semitic messages in recent days."

"Since then, she has reported receiving as many as 200 hate messages a day.

Some of the threats have been so serious that the prefect of Milan, Renato Saccone, held a meeting on Wednesday with the committee for security and public order, where it was agreed that Ms Segre needed police protection."

recedite

Overheal wrote: »

"Since then, she has reported receiving as many as 200 hate messages a day.
Some of the threats have been so serious that the prefect of Milan, Renato Saccone, held a meeting on Wednesday with the committee for security and public order, where it was agreed that Ms Segre needed police protection."

Who is threatening her?


People have already been killed in France.

Traore allegedly recited verses from the Quran as he beat Ms Halimi, before throwing her from a third-floor window.

Odhinn

recedite wrote: »

Who is threatening her?

Who indeed.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lazio+nazi+salute&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjO3puO3tjlAhWkQ0EAHW0ODOoQ7Al6BAgJEDw&biw=1600&bih=887#imgrc=JPu60luuATLFtM:

James Brown

I'm waiting on the defenders of our freedoms to chime in about how people talking about equality and fairness are out to steal her bingo money.

recedite

I think this Saccone guy might have a political axe to grind himself.

You don't assign a security detail to follow somebody around 24/7 just because you have seen a banner at an event being held by people from a political party you don't like.

Milan Prefect Renato Saccone has decided to assign a security detail to Holocaust survivor and life Senator Liliana Segre after she was the target of online threats and insults, several newspapers reported on Thursday.
The move also comes after a banner of the far-right group Forza Nuova was shown at a public event Segre was taking part in. As a result, the 89-year-old will be escorted by two Carabinieri police officers from now on.

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/11/07/holocaust-survivor-segre-gets-security-detail-after-threats_ecd5cf3a-811d-4824-944c-76b24e207720.html
If there are any credible personal threats against her, they should be fully investigated.
If there is just the usual online abuse that any politician gets, then maybe she should get one of her staff to filter the messages.

Overheal

recedite wrote: »

I think this Saccone guy might have a political axe to grind himself.

You don't assign a security detail to follow somebody around 24/7 just because you have seen a banner at an event being held by people from a political party you don't like.
http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2019/11/07/holocaust-survivor-segre-gets-security-detail-after-threats_ecd5cf3a-811d-4824-944c-76b24e207720.html
If there are any credible personal threats against her, they should be fully investigated.
If there is just the usual online abuse that any politician gets, then maybe she should get one of her staff to filter the messages.

Are you claiming to know more than the Italian officials and security and law enforcement that are briefed and participating in the matter? You seem to be thinly implying that this security is improper. Why?

Dohnjoe

recedite wrote: »

If there are any credible personal threats against her, they should be fully investigated.
If there is just the usual online abuse that any politician gets, then maybe she should get one of her staff to filter the messages.

I think that's the point of this, to have a commission to tackle it, because ignoring it doesn't seem to have worked. Also 200+ antisemitic insults and threats per day is not "usual" under any circumstances, let alone for an 89 year old Holocaust survivor

Raconteuse

People are actually downplaying/whatabouting this. Amazing.

Well not that amazing actually...

mcmoustache

Raconteuse wrote: »

People are actually downplaying/whatabouting this. Amazing.

Well not that amazing actually...

"Well you see, if an elderly jew is being harassed by nazis, it's clear that she must have done something to deserve it."


That's how a lot of people on here think these days.

biko

Has Jeremy Corbyn been in Italy lately?

Overheal

Raconteuse wrote: »

People are actually downplaying/whatabouting this. Amazing.

Well not that amazing actually...

Holocaust denial for beginners

DFGrange

Holodomor, Armenian genocide, Irish famine, Native American clearances, crimes against aboriginal Australian, abuse of inuits in Canada..et al

Let the light shine on them all.

mcmoustache

mcmoustache wrote: »

"Well you see, if an elderly jew is being harassed by nazis, it's clear that she must have done something to deserve it."


That's how a lot of people on here think these days.

Except that we don't know that the majority of the threats are from nazi's. They could be from people with different ideologies, or interests.

If she received 200 death threats from supporters of PETA, would she be targeted because she was a holocaust survivor or possibly for another reason?

TBH I'd be more concerned that people are virtue signalling by assuming that her holocaust past is the sole reason for the negative attention. It's roughly 70 years since WW2... if it was her holocaust survivor status that was the issue, wouldn't she be receiving those death threats all her adult life, rather than when she took the position on the committee. Do all holocaust survivors in political positions receive hundreds of death threats?

Any political appointment in Italy is deserving of examination. Their whole system is historically very corrupt. She might not be corrupt, or have another less obvious agenda... might. Still worthy of discussion considering how governments/committees have evolved over the last few decades.

Irish Guitarist

There's very little detail in that article. Considering that making a video of a pug giving a Nazi salute and posting lyrics to a rap song on Instagram are considered hate crimes I'd like a bit more information on what exactly happened. Before anyone gets enraged I'm just saying it would be nice if a news story was a bit more specific than "some of the threats were so serious...". Like what? Why not give an example or two?

recedite

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

There's very little detail in that article. Considering that making a video of a pug giving a Nazi salute and posting lyrics to a rap song on Instagram are considered hate crimes I'd like a bit more information on what exactly happened. Before anyone gets enraged I'm just saying it would be nice if a news story was a bit more specific than "some of the threats were so serious...". Like what? Why not give an example or two?

That's the problem, very little detail. I'd also question whether this 98 year old woman is politically active in her own right, or is being used as a front by others.
I mean, getting 2 burly policemen to guard a holocaust survivor does have a powerful ring to it in the media. But what is the reality on the ground? Who is helping her in the shower and changing the nappies?

Raconteuse

Yeah it's all lies coz Jews.

By the way, I know it's still old but she's clearly 89.

Dohnjoe

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

There's very little detail in that article. Considering that making a video of a pug giving a Nazi salute and posting lyrics to a rap song on Instagram are considered hate crimes I'd like a bit more information on what exactly happened. Before anyone gets enraged I'm just saying it would be nice if a news story was a bit more specific than "some of the threats were so serious...". Like what? Why not give an example or two?

She's been receiving death threats, the fact that they've deemed it necessary to assign her a police escort should give you a clue

Irish Guitarist

Sorry for actually wanting some detail in a news article.

Dohnjoe

recedite wrote: »

That's the problem, very little detail. I'd also question whether this 98 year old woman is politically active in her own right, or is being used as a front by others.

A front by who, for what reasons?

Does it disgust you that an Auschwitz survivor is receiving antisemitic insults and threats?

Or is there a caveat to that you feel is more important

Raconteuse

Raconteuse wrote: »

Yeah it's all lies coz Jews..

Or because it's Italian politics? :pac::pac::pac:

Dohnjoe

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Does it disgust you that an Auschwitz survivor is receiving antisemitic insults and threats?

I'd like to see some evidence that they're antisemitic threats... I read that they were death threats and that she was a holocaust survivor. The connection is in the title rather than in the details of the articles... or did I miss something?

recedite

Dohnjoe wrote: »

A front by who, for what reasons?

I'm not well enough informed about Italian politics to say.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Does it disgust you that an Auschwitz survivor is receiving antisemitic insults and threats?

Has she received anti-semitic insults? I think the fact that she is a holocaust survivor is being used in Italy, just as it is being used by posters in this thread.
The salient point here is not the Holocaust, or Jewishness, it is that some legislation is being pushed in Italy, possibly similar to what certain people in Ireland are also pushing for, and her name is fronting it. Although she is a lifetime senator, I doubt she debates in the senate personally, at 98 years old.
The kind of thing I am talking about is the usual tension between Free Speech and Hate Speech. And the tension that arises when labeling an ordinary crime as "a hate crime" and then applying a harsher sentence to it. Every country must find its own balance in these matters.

Dohnjoe

recedite wrote: »

I'm not well enough informed about Italian politics to say.

Has she received anti-semitic insults? I think the fact that she is a holocaust survivor is being used in Italy, just as it is being used by posters in this thread.
The salient point here is not the Holocaust, or Jewishness, it is that some legislation is being pushed in Italy, possibly similar to what certain people in Ireland are also pushing for, and her name is fronting it. Although she is a lifetime senator, I doubt she debates in the senate personally, at 98 years old.
The kind of thing I am talking about is the usual tension between Free Speech and Hate Speech. And the tension that arises when labeling an ordinary crime as "a hate crime" and then applying a harsher sentence to it. Every country must find its own balance in these matters.

I'll simplify it.

Does it disgust you that a Holocaust survivor is receiving antisemitic insults and threats in this day and age?

recedite

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'll simplify it.

Does it disgust you that a Holocaust survivor is receiving antisemitic insults and threats in this day and age?

Simplify? That's reducing it to what may well be a false premise.

Dohnjoe

recedite wrote: »

Simplify? That's reducing it to what may well be a false premise.

It's a very simple question

No need for mental gymnastics, unless you feel you need them when confronted with that type of question..

recedite

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It's a very simple question

No need for mental gymnastics, unless you feel you need them when confronted with that type of question..

I'll accept the premise then, and say it would be disgusting.
Now you show me the antisemitic insults and threats.

Dohnjoe

recedite wrote: »

I'll accept the premise then, and say it would be disgusting.

Good, no gymnastics required

Dohnjoe

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I'll simplify it.

Does it disgust you that a Holocaust survivor is receiving antisemitic insults and threats in this day and age?

No need. I actually asked you a question. I'll ask again. Any evidence to prove that these are antisemitic threats?

Was she receiving these threats before she took the position on the committee? She's been a political figure, and therefore a public figure, for years before now. Was she receiving these threats back then too? Do other political figures with holocaust survivor status receive threats?

If not, the threats are logically related to the committee position, rather than her being a holocaust survivor. In which case, it's rather poor taste to promote it as such, and the committee should be considered as to whether its a purely innocent type of organisation, or whether there is something more going on. As I said previously, there is a lot of corruption within Italian politics, with many Italians in recent years becoming violently opposed to government involvement in different areas... because they don't trust their government to have the best interests of the people at heart. How much of this is propaganda? I'd like to know that too.

looksee

recedite wrote: »

That's the problem, very little detail. I'd also question whether this 98 year old woman is politically active in her own right, or is being used as a front by others.
I mean, getting 2 burly policemen to guard a holocaust survivor does have a powerful ring to it in the media. But what is the reality on the ground? Who is helping her in the shower and changing the nappies?

Are you racist and sexist as well as ageist?

recedite

looksee wrote: »

Are you racist and sexist as well as ageist?

Which is likely to be more useful to her, two policemen in the house or a home helper?

Overheal

recedite wrote: »

I'm not well enough informed about Italian politics to say.

Has she received anti-semitic insults? I think the fact that she is a holocaust survivor is being used in Italy, just as it is being used by posters in this thread.
The salient point here is not the Holocaust, or Jewishness, it is that some legislation is being pushed in Italy, possibly similar to what certain people in Ireland are also pushing for, and her name is fronting it. Although she is a lifetime senator, I doubt she debates in the senate personally, at 98 years old.
The kind of thing I am talking about is the usual tension between Free Speech and Hate Speech. And the tension that arises when labeling an ordinary crime as "a hate crime" and then applying a harsher sentence to it. Every country must find its own balance in these matters.

She’s 89, not 98. Seems like a petty ageist thing to get incorrect. Especially while you’re painting a narrative that she’s too old to be a “real senator”

She was made a LT Senator just 18 months ago. She made a motion for the hate speech committee. Why does it matter to you, if she doesn’t show up for every floor vote for every matter of the legislature? What standard applies to her but not other LTS?

As for the morbid desire to see the insults I’m sure they’re not hard to find if you go through the Italian web. Anyway I’ll leave this here.

“ Some of the threats have been so serious that the prefect of Milan, Renato Saccone, held a meeting on Wednesday with the committee for security and public order, where it was agreed that Ms Segre needed police protection.”

If you want to know how anti Semitic all of the threats against her are I hear they’re forming a committee for that.

Overheal

recedite wrote: »

Which is likely to be more useful to her, two policemen in the house or a home helper?

More ageist bull****?

looksee

recedite wrote: »

Which is likely to be more useful to her, two policemen in the house or a home helper?

How is that relevant to the discussion? How is it any of your business what personal help she may need? She looks to be a fit and feisty lady to me.

Overheal

Overheal wrote: »

If you want to know how anti Semitic all of the threats against her are I hear they’re forming a committee for that.

I haven't insulted her at all.

I simply want to know whether the threats are due to her new position, or if they're truly related to her background. My research options are very limited in China, since my VPN is currently blocked. I've no agenda to show this woman in any negative manner.

meeeeh

It seems some continue to state she is 98 just to discredit her.

I'm not overly surprised. Italy never properly dealt with their fascist past. And even if it's not the old style fascists the morons on social media love to attack women and if they are some sort of minority even better.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I haven't insulted her at all.

I simply want to know whether the threats are due to her new position, or if they're truly related to her background. My research options are very limited in China, since my VPN is currently blocked. I've no agenda to show this woman in any negative manner.

I was talking to Recedite

Her background and her position and motion to start a hate speech committee are intertwined I would think.

Dohnjoe

Deleted User wrote: »

Any evidence to prove that these are antisemitic threats?

From the news story on TV they showed one of the tweets which was along the lines of she should have burnt in the ovens. She was reportedly receiving these insults and threats before

Completely unacceptable stuff of course, regardless of whether she is in an official position or not

recedite

meeeeh wrote: »

It seems some continue to state she is 98 just to discredit her.

Its 89.
98 was my mistake, that's all.
Dear Satan, this Christmas I want a cure for my dyslexia.

ohnonotgmail

recedite wrote: »

Its 89.
98 was my mistake, that's all.
Dear Satan, this Christmas I want a cure for my dyslexia.

dyscalculia