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  • 27-10-2019 11:52pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 3,965 ✭✭✭


    Fairly disgraceful officiating in the hockey match between Ireland and Canada


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭vektarman


    I thought at worse it was a penalty corner at the end and not a penalty stroke, very harsh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭highgiant1985


    vektarman wrote: »
    I thought at worse it was a penalty corner at the end and not a penalty stroke, very harsh.

    feel sorry for the Irish players. Seeing them celebrate when the final whistle goes and then to have a late ref call to review a foul and see it taken away from them. Then to lead 3-1 in the penalty shoot out and still lose.

    I don't know the rules of hockey well enough to know if it should have been a penalty call at the end of normal time or not but it was heart breaking to watch the players lose like that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭Julabo


    Attacker steps on defender stick.

    So is interfering

    Free out imo


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    At worst it was a pen corner, but the video umpire last night was umpiring in the 1st game and was very biased towards Canada in that game.

    There was no clear obstruction or denying of a goal scoring chance so can't see how it could have been a stroke.

    Hopefully the social media backlash on FIH does not effect the womans games this weekend.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    More dodgy calls tonight but thankfully it did not stop Ireland this time, well done girls

    1st Irish woman's team of any sport to make the Olympics

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,584 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    With the spirit and fight that team has they will be a must watch and probably the best Irish representatives in Tokyo next year.

    Well done!


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,075 ✭✭✭Jeff2


    Fair play to the girls holding it together to come back 2 down in penalties.

    I recorded this and checked the times.

    The Irish one was 100% within 8 seconds.

    The other one comes up as 8.2 seconds but my phone stopwatch could be bias. :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    I thought the canadians were hard done by too

    but after what happened last week, karma

    what goes around comes around


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭Baseball72


    A fantastic achievement by the ladies - they came back from the brink more than once in the penalty shoot out.


    Thought it might have appeared as a "Trend" on Boards.ie - or did it peak a few hours ago?


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    fryup wrote: »
    I thought the canadians were hard done by too

    but after what happened last week, karma

    what goes around comes around

    They were not , one pen run in should not have counted when the Canadian player kicked away the keepers stick from tackling her. The on field umpire made correct call only to be over turned by video.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    well, i could have sworn that the very last peno was scored before the 8 sec honker??

    and the fact they didn't have the technology set up to do a video recount was shocking really in such an important match

    (delighted Ireland got through btw)


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    It was after and yes very shocking they did not have video with a clock on it

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    fryup wrote: »
    well, i could have sworn that the very last peno was scored before the 8 sec honker??

    and the fact they didn't have the technology set up to do a video recount was shocking really in such an important match

    (delighted Ireland got through btw)

    Who is responsible for the fact that there was no recount of the time taken, the Irish Federation or the World Governing Body/Olympic Council.

    Even the referee couldn't believe that there was no way of recounting the time taken.

    Is there a way for Canada to appeal if one of the Bodies was negligent in not recounting.

    Btw Rte were apparently oblivious to this and never mentioned the possible recount afterwards. They never mentioned the Canadians afterwards either which was bad form. They are just Bandwagon Jumpers. They will be all over the Hockey team now just like the way they were over the Boxing team before it went pear shaped.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Umpires decision is final now the game is over.

    I did not watch on RTE but i am guessing this was one of the few games of hockey he ever seen

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Umpires decision is final now the game is over.

    I did not watch on RTE but i am guessing this was one of the few games of hockey he ever seen

    The Umpires decision is final but what are the rules regarding recounts.

    I presume you mean Darragh Maloney but the Panel afterwards never mentioned the possible recounts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    What do you mean by recounts there is nothing in the rules about recounts and the umpires were happy that there was no time in video replays so not much else they could do.

    Here are the rules of a shoot out

    4. PENALTY SHOOT-OUT COMPETITION

    4.1 5 players from each team take a one-on-one penalty shoot-out alternately against the goalkeeper of the other team making a total of 10 penalty shoot-outs. The players take the penalty shoot-out in the sequence nominated and communicated by the team managers to the Technical Officer on duty before the start of the penalty shoot-out competition. Players are chosen by their respective team manager from those listed on the team entry form for that particular match except as excluded hereunder.

    4.2 After consultation with the Technical Officer on duty, the umpires choose the goal to be used.

    4.3 A coin is tossed. The team which wins the toss has the choice to take or defend the first penalty shoot-out.

    4.4 The team scoring or awarded the most goals is the winner and the competition ceases once an outright winner is determined.

    4.5 During a penalty shoot-out competition, all persons who appear on the team entry form and who are entitled to sit on the team bench for that match are permitted to enter the field of play but only in the area outside the 23m area used for the shoot-out. The goalkeeper of the team taking a penalty shoot-out may be on the goal-line outside the circle if so directed by the umpire. A player who is authorised by an umpire or technical official to take or defend a penalty shoot-out may enter the 23m area for that purpose.

    4.6 A player who has been suspended by the Tournament Director or has been excluded permanently (red card) from the field of play during that same match, cannot take part in a penalty shoot-out competition.

    4.7 The penalty shoot-out is taken under the following conditions:
    - 8 seconds has elapsed;
    - the attacker scores a goal;
    - the attacker commits an offence;
    - the goalkeeper commits an offence in which case the shoot-out is re-taken;
    - the goalkeeper commits an intentional offence, in which case a goal is awarded;
    - the ball goes out of play over the back-line or side-line; this includes the goalkeeper intentionally playing the ball over the back-line.

    4.8 If during a penalty shoot-out competition a player (either an attacker or a goalkeeper) is suspended, that player takes no further part in that penalty shoot-out competition and, unless a defending goalkeeper, cannot be replaced. If the defending goalkeeper is suspended, the replacement can only come from the 5 players nominated to take part in the penalty shoot-out competition. The replacement goalkeeper is allowed reasonable time to put on protective equipment. If an attacker is suspended during the penalty shoot-out competition, any further penalty shoot-out the player was entitled to take counts as no goal.

    4.9 If during a penalty shoot-out competition, a defending goalkeeper is incapacitated, that goalkeeper may be replaced by another player from within the players listed on the team entry form for that particular match, except as excluded above in sub-clause (d) or sub-clause (f). If the replacement goalkeeper is a field player, that player is allowed reasonable time to put on protective equipment.

    4.10 If an equal number of goals are scored or awarded after each team has taken 5 shoot-outs, a second series of penalty shoot-outs is taken with the same players, subject to an incapacitated defending goalkeeper being replaced. When one team has scored or been awarded one more goal than the opposing team after an equal number of shoot-outs (no minimum, no maximum) have been taken by each team, that team shall be the winner.

    4.11 The same players take part in a second (unlimited) series of penalty shoot-outs except that an incapacitated goalkeeper can be replaced. The sequence in which the attackers take the penalty shoot-outs does not need to be the same as in the first series; before each penalty shoot-out series, the team manager chooses the order in which the nominated players take the particular penalty shoot-out. In this second series, all five nominated players shall take a penalty shoot-out before any of them are eligible to take a further penalty shoot-out.

    4.12 The team whose player has taken the first penalty shoot-out of the first series must defend the first penalty shoot-out of the second (unlimited) series.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    Thanks for posting the rules.

    A player must take their penalty within 8 seconds.

    If a player is judged to have taken too long to take their penalty can their team use a referral to check that the time recorded for taking the penalty was correct?

    Who is responsible for recording the time and what happens if there is a problem with the clock or hooter?


  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Thanks for posting the rules.

    A player must take their penalty within 8 seconds.

    If a player is judged to have taken too long to take their penalty can their team use a referral to check that the time recorded for taking the penalty was correct?

    Who is responsible for recording the time and what happens if there is a problem with the clock or hooter?

    In international hockey there is an official time keeper who will start the clock on the umpires whistle.

    Once 8 seconds are done they will sound the hooter. In most cases there will be a video playing with a stop clock usually pointing at the goal line, for whatever reason this was not set up on Sunday. So no video referral could be used for that situation.

    If for whatever reason there is an issue with the official time keeping the umpires will take control of timing of the run ins

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    In international hockey there is an official time keeper who will start the clock on the umpires whistle.

    Once 8 seconds are done they will sound the hooter. In most cases there will be a video playing with a stop clock usually pointing at the goal line, for whatever reason this was not set up on Sunday. So no video referral could be used for that situation.

    If for whatever reason there is an issue with the official time keeping the umpires will take control of timing of the run ins

    Because the video was not setup surely that's grounds for an appeal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    yep, i watched the final peno again tonight and....the canadian scored after the referee put out her hand but before the hooter....so which do you go by?..the ref or the hooter??


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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    Because the video was not setup surely that's grounds for an appeal.

    Nope, both teams faced the same situation and not every international game will even have video referral.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    fryup wrote: »
    yep, i watched the final peno again tonight and....the canadian scored after the referee put out her hand but before the hooter....so which do you go by?..the ref or the hooter??

    Umpires word is final

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  • Registered Users Posts: 22,167 ✭✭✭✭citytillidie


    fryup wrote: »
    yep, i watched the final peno again tonight and....the canadian scored after the referee put out her hand but before the hooter....so which do you go by?..the ref or the hooter??

    This is the moment the hooter went

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