Irish names.

DEFTLEFTHAND

A young fella I know through work called William has recently renamed himself Liam, we were all given a speech about it by him beforehand, 'this is how I want to be referred to as going forward."

His surname is as English as you could get, there's not even an Irish version of it. 'Black prod' as we'd say down in Tipp. I won't say what it is because I don't want to potentially identity this kid, he's only 21.


I just find it it so sad that he feels that he has to do this to fit in Ireland. He should be proud of his ancient English heritage. It's not his fault he was born into a planter family from centuries ago.

corner of hells

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A young fella I know through work called William has recently renamed himself Liam, we were all given a speech about it by him beforehand, 'this is how I want to be referred to as going forward."

His surname is as English as you could get, there's not even an Irish version of it. 'Black prod' as we'd say down in Tipp. I won't say what it is because I don't want to potentially identity this kid, he's only 21.


I just find it it so sad that he feels that he has to do this to fit in Ireland. He should be proud of his ancient English heritage. It's not his fault he was born into a planter family from centuries ago.

Liam , 21 from Tipperary, if you're out there , please contact customer service?

dxhound2005

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A young fella I know through work called William has recently renamed himself Liam, we were all given a speech about it by him beforehand, 'this is how I want to be referred to as going forward."

His surname is as English as you could get, there's not even an Irish version of it. 'Black prod' as we'd say down in Tipp. I won't say what it is because I don't want to potentially identity this kid, he's only 21.


I just find it it so sad that he feels that he has to do this to fit in Ireland. He should be proud of his ancient English heritage. It's not his fault he was born into a planter family from centuries ago.

It's better than Will I Am.

beejee

Guy named fiachra was forever called fiacla by someone else. The funny part was that it was always a genuine mistake, he'd be corrected then minutes later be calling him fiacla again. Drove your man mad for years

Badly Drunk Boy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I just find it it so sad that he feels that he has to do this to fit in Ireland. He should be proud of his ancient English heritage. It's not his fault he was born into a planter family from centuries ago.

So he wants to be called Liam but you think he should be called William because that's what's on his birth cert? Maybe you're the one with the problem...

trashcan

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A young fella I know through work called William has recently renamed himself Liam, we were all given a speech about it by him beforehand, 'this is how I want to be referred to as going forward."

His surname is as English as you could get, there's not even an Irish version of it. 'Black prod' as we'd say down in Tipp. I won't say what it is because I don't want to potentially identity this kid, he's only 21.


I just find it it so sad that he feels that he has to do this to fit in Ireland. He should be proud of his ancient English heritage. It's not his fault he was born into a planter family from centuries ago.

To be honest I'd be more worried that he's using the phrase "going forward." Ugh.

the beer revolu

Much worse is when people insist on using the Irish form of your name when it's not your name.
Obviously the school system insisted on doing it from time to time but to this day people I have known for years still use the wrong name when addressing me.
You get used to it but it's annoying when you think about it.

Say my name

Pity that lad's surname wasn't Power.
Then he'd be Will Power!!


It couldn't be Power though as it's a French name that means poor.

What?? Ah yea I'll close the door.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

So he wants to be called Liam but you think he should be called William because that's what's on his birth cert? Maybe you're the one with the problem...

I want him to be proud of his Anglo Saxon heritage not ashamed of it. Not switching his name to Liam to try and fit in.

Collie D

Maybe he just likes Liam better than William.

Purple Mountain

Maybe he's just sick of being called a dick.

Elemonator

Well if I was called William I would want to be called Liam too...

Badly Drunk Boy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I want him to be proud of his Anglo Saxon heritage not ashamed of it. Not switching his name to Liam to try and fit in.

Maybe he doesn't feel like an Anglo-Saxon. Anyway, William isn't an Anglo-Saxon name. It was came to England with the Norman Conquest, William the Conqueror and all that lot.

donspeekinglesh

Say my name wrote: »

Pity that lad's surname wasn't Power.
Then he'd be Will Power!!

There's an Australian IndyCar driver called Will Power: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Power?wprov=sfla1

Slap my arse and call me Sally for all I care for

Omackeral

Collie D wrote: »

Maybe he just likes Liam better than William.

dxhound2005 wrote: »

It's better than Will I Am.

Will.I.Amn't

pgj2015

he should change both his names to max power.

the beer revolu

Kissing with confidence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kissing_with_Confidence#

Victor

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

His surname is as English as you could get, there's not even an Irish version of it. 'Black prod' as we'd say down in Tipp.

If he does his job to an OK standard and he can be identified when people are looking for him, who cares what his name, surname, religion or other characteristics are?

Now, about your bigotry, do you think it's OK to voice it in the workplace?

eviltwin

I don't go by my birth name either cause its rotten. I use another name altogether, have done for years. Would you have a problem with that too OP?

Omackeral

eviltwin wrote: »

I don't go by my birth name either cause its rotten.

That's a weird name. No wonder you changed it.

pgj2015

id say the op would have major problems with Irish people calling their kids Rihanna,Britney, Brax, cody. and any other celeb and home and away names "some people" call their Irish kids.

Jurgen Klopp

Say my name wrote: »

Pity that lad's surname wasn't Power.
Then he'd be Will Power!!


It couldn't be Power though as it's a French name that means poor.

What?? Ah yea I'll close the door.

I knew a Father Clint Power...

Maybe he's having a go at him?

Always Tired

Is Liam actually short for William? I thought it was just a name on it's own.

Honestly that's a bit unfair. That means people named William get way more than the average options for what to be called.

Besides the full name you have Will, Willy, Bill, Billy, and now Liam. That's 6.

Anyway, OP pretty sure the real issue isn't that you feel bad that he has to change his name to fit in (which he doesn't, at all) or isn't proud of his anglo saxon whatever. You're just annoyed that a guy with English roots is using an Irish name. Just like the yokels here get all snarky about yanks who say they're Irish.

People in this country are very protective of their culchie cred and hate to think of it being pilfered, get over yourselves

Mrs OBumble

If he tells ya to call him Liam, call him Liam.

If he tells ya to call him Wilma and to use feminine pronouns for him, do it.

But please don't let him go into the wimmin's toilets, no matter what he calls himself.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I'm not some sort of anti English ra head. I despise Republicans.

All I'm saying here is that we should all be proud of our hertigage and our family names. No kid should feel that he has to change his name to feel more 'Irish'.


He himself told me that this was the reason.

pgj2015

Id say you will look back at your life on your death bed and be glad you spent time worrying about a work colleague who changed his first name because he wanted to seem more Irish and fit in better.

Capt'n Midnight

Omackeral wrote: »

That's a weird name. No wonder you changed it.

Just ask John Lydon what he thinks.

sligojoek

I went to school with a lad called Peter Ramsbottom. He hated his name so much, he had it changed when he reached 18. He's now known as John Ramsbottom.

Dog Murphy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'm not some sort of anti English ra head. I despise Republicans.

All I'm saying here is that we should all be proud of our hertigage and our family names. No kid should feel that he has to change his name to feel more 'Irish'.


He himself told me that this was the reason.

So you think we should be proud of our heritage yet you despise the republican movement in this country which led to us being able to have our own independent country here in Ireland and not having to be ashamed of our own heritage to sit our imperial overlords.

JohnnyFlash

My two young fellas have Irish names. Not the really obscure ones being given to kids in South Dublin from parents with planter surnames and a fragile sense of identity. Just the type of decent and no nonsense names people always gave their kids.

You’re much more likely to buy a house from, or give a vote to, a lad called Séan, as opposed to a Wayne, Daryl, or Jason.

Day Lewin

If it's a choice between Liam or Willy, I know which I'd pick.

Foweva Awone

Always Tired wrote: »

Is Liam actually short for William? I thought it was just a name on it's own.

Honestly that's a bit unfair. That means people named William get way more than the average options for what to be called.

Besides the full name you have Will, Willy, Bill, Billy, and now Liam. That's 6.

I've a son called William, that's one of the reasons I liked the name, all the possible variations! When I was pregnant I thought he might be a Billy, but I've never once called him that. He's Willam, Will, Wills, Willster, Wilfred, Wilbert, the list goes on. (And Liam to his grandfather sometimes.)

KaneToad

the beer revolu wrote: »

Much worse is when people insist on using the Irish form of your name when it's not your name.
Obviously the school system insisted on doing it from time to time but to this day people I have known for years still use the wrong name when addressing me.
You get used to it but it's annoying when you think about it.

Sorry Ciarán.

dd973

Whatever it is his name shouldn't really be viewed as a 'planter surname' in this day and age, it's only really in the North that there's baggage attached to such stuff, there's loads of people in the North West of England with no recent Irish heritage or connections that have surnames from the Famine.

Has he told you he's changing his moniker to sound 'more Irish'? Maybe it's just an easier one-syllable name for dealing with the public.

DEFTLEFTHAND

dd973 wrote: »

Whatever it is his name shouldn't really be viewed as a 'planter surname' in this day and age, it's only really in the North that there's baggage attached to such stuff, there's loads of people in the North West of England with no recent Irish heritage or connections that have surnames from the Famine.

Has he told you he's changing his moniker to sound 'more Irish'? Maybe it's just an easier one-syllable name for dealing with the public.

Of there's still planter's surnames, take names like Bell , Loftus, Rutherford, Hastings or Featherstone. These names are as English as John Bull himself.


A true Gael would have a Mac or an O' in front of his name as Gaeilge.

JupiterKid

My surname originated in Scotland but my first name is very Irish.

Therefore by your logic, OP, does that mean that my name is a really a sham borne of my parents’ insecurities about being truly Irish?

Idle Passerby

Everyone has four grandparents, 8 great grandparents and so on, all with different surnames. The surname you wind up with is largely down to random chance. All William/Liam's surname actually says about his cultural background is that his father's, father's, father's, father might have been English. It's a pedantic thing to get your knickers in a twist over OP. Go out and get some fresh air.

Marhay70

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A young fella I know through work called William has recently renamed himself Liam, we were all given a speech about it by him beforehand, 'this is how I want to be referred to as going forward."

His surname is as English as you could get, there's not even an Irish version of it. 'Black prod' as we'd say down in Tipp. I won't say what it is because I don't want to potentially identity this kid, he's only 21.


I just find it it so sad that he feels that he has to do this to fit in Ireland. He should be proud of his ancient English heritage. It's not his fault he was born into a planter family from centuries ago.

I'd be more concerned that you think of anybody as a "black Prod". Still I suppose any group of people who elect the likes of , Lowry, Kelly and Mc Grath has to be a little deficient in the intelligence department

PTH2009

In regards regional names

Are 'Boland' and 'Brogan' Dublin names ?

bobbysands81

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I want him to be proud of his Anglo Saxon heritage not ashamed of it. Not switching his name to Liam to try and fit in.

What you want for him is fairly irrelevant mo chara. Has he told you his motivations for changing his name or are you guessing?

jmlad2020

Seen it plenty of times before. Out and proud Irish people that despise their proddy surname and cover it up with a Gaelic first name and an extra fada to be sure.

They don't fool me.

feargale

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I'm not some sort of anti English ra head. I despise Republicans.

All I'm saying here is that we should all be proud of our hertigage and our family names. No kid should feel that he has to change his name to feel more 'Irish'.


He himself told me that this was the reason.

It is a basic courrtesy to call people and places by the name by which they wish to be known. After that, why should anyone give a s**t what they call themselves?

feargale

Dog Murphy wrote: »

So you think we should be proud of our heritage yet you despise the republican movement in this country which led to us being able to have our own independent country here in Ireland and not having to be ashamed of our own heritage to sit our imperial overlords.

in fairness the word republican covers a multitude in Ireland. While it strictly means government of the people by the people OP is possibly referring to so-called republicans who at diferent times flouted the will of the people as expressed at the ballot box. You will find the same perversion of the word elsewhere, e.g. Mugabe's Zimbabwe, Pinochet's Chile etc etc.

Sardonicat

Elemonator wrote: »

Well if I was called William I would want to be called Liam too...

E-LIAM-onator it is from now on, so.

Victor

PTH2009 wrote: »

In regards regional names

Are 'Boland' and 'Brogan' Dublin names ?

Somewhat. If you want to be a bit scientific, check various phone books. https://www.eirphonebook.ie/