Training during working hours - should be paid or not?

Madeleine2012

Hello All,
The company needs a driver, so my partner was offered a change of position.
He was send by employer to training course (Truck driver).
Unfortunately training is during working hours, but we are don't know if he has the right to be paid for the time spend on the course.

Employer said that he is not obligated to pay.

Does anyone know if this is legal?

Heart Break Kid

"Working hours include:

Overtime
Travel time where this is part of the job
Time spent on training authorised by the employer and during normal working hours"

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/pay_and_employment/pay_inc_min_wage.html

All the details you need.

Madeleine2012

Thank you for your message.
3 weeks ago from weekly payment was deducted for 2 hours of work, which my spouse spent on the course. Today he stayed at work 2hr longer cause morning he was again on the course. So, tomorrow he will talk with manager about it.
Thank you again for your response.

Strumms

It’s work, I’ve never heard of that being ok, to train someone in on a job they have successfully applied for and give them the necessary training but NOT pay them for it. OP advise your partner to have a word with them again and if they don’t give in advise them to get the fûck out of there and find another job....



That’s ridiculous... training is work... end of, whatever loophole might be in existence fûck em... your reward for successfully putting yourself forward for and being successful in promotion is not being paid fo 3 weeks... crack open the bubbly errr ok maybe the 7up, Jesus.

AlphabetCards

In this case, if he is already on the training course, I would do the course, get the cert, go back to work and fight your case.

That way, if he has to quit, he gets the cert out of them anyway. If this goes to the Labour Court / Workplace Relations Commission, he could well get that money back paid (after which, he could quit and never have to work for such idiots again).

There's no excuse for not paying staff for training.

Heart Break Kid

Madeleine2012 wrote: »

Thank you for your message.
3 weeks ago from weekly payment was deducted for 2 hours of work, which my spouse spent on the course. Today he stayed at work 2hr longer cause morning he was again on the course. So, tomorrow he will talk with manager about it.
Thank you again for your response.

I wouldn't make a big thing about it, I would just refer the employer to the below link on training and inform the supplier that training is paid.

"Working hours include:

Overtime
Travel time where this is part of the job
Time spent on training authorised by the employer and during normal working hours"

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment_rights_and_conditions/pay_and_employment/pay_inc_min_wage.html

OMM 0000

I can't imagine thinking I don't have to pay my staff because they"re "training" rather than "working" during the normal work hours.

Seems almost like a sickness to have that mentality.

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OMM 0000 wrote: »

I can't imagine thinking I don't have to pay my staff because they"re "training" rather than "working" during the normal work hours.

Seems almost like a sickness to have that mentality.

and yet its still quite in practice in some companies, is it a C class driving license hes getting ? as that would take some time for someone to pass and good bit of learning curve from usual car driving, cant really justify this as non pay, as one spends his time for company.

Mrs OBumble

OMM 0000 wrote: »

I can't imagine thinking I don't have to pay my staff because they"re "training" rather than "working" during the normal work hours.

Seems almost like a sickness to have that mentality.

Depends if the training is required to do the job. If it's not, and it's the employee who requests it not the employer, then it could be argued either way.

Strumms

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Depends if the training is required to do the job. If it's not, and it's the employee who requests it not the employer, then it could be argued either way.

Going by the OP it’s most necessary to do it. They were hired for the job, then sent to do a course only the company won’t pay them.

Madeleine2012

Hi All, thanks for all answer.
Of course nothing changed. My partner's employer told that he can't pay for the training lessons, only for the hours which he will need for exam.
My partner showed the info about payment from Citizen Info, but the Employer told him that all the course and new position after exam is form a gift from company, and after one year of work as a Truck Driver he can't leave the job.
That is stupid in my opinion. What a gift?
After exam he is obligated working for the company one year. If he will leave the Company earlier he will be paid back money for all course to employer.
Of course, You have right, the best option is pass the exam and start to looking for a new job. Unfortunately in this situation he will be obligated to back the money.
He's weekly wages is not enough to cover the course, so I don't know what employer can do then?