Lady giving out about the Men of Kenya

Biodegradable

So there's this minder who pops by my parents house every so often because my mom has dementia. I met her a few times before and I think I've got a hint of feminism about her. Anyway one day when I was chatting to her about her travels. She'd been to Kenya, and she started talking about how she supports the women in Kenya or something. She then went on to talk about how the men of Kenya are "useless". She seemed to realise that she was talking to a male as she said this, and she said "I don't mean that all men but blah blah". I interrupted her and said "did you go on safari?". Thankfully this steered the direction of the conversation away somewhere else.

But my question is, am I supposed to just stand there and let her say a bunch of stuff that I disagree with? Of course I can't verify with certainty that it's bullsh1t when she's saying it! The last time I was home I heard her reading something out of the paper to my mother about domestic violence and I overheard the words "because men can get aggressive with women".

It's all very well to say that the men of Kenya are useless and they may well be true, but it forces me to ask "is there any country in the world where the women are useless?" and if so, would a man get away with saying it? As soon as she said that the men are useless, I felt like saying to her "oh the women build the roads out there so do they?". What do you think of this?

gozunda

Biodegradable wrote: »

So there's this minder who pops by my parents house every so often because my mom has dementia. I met her a few times before and I think I've got a hint of feminism about her. Anyway one day when I was chatting to her about her travels. She'd been to Kenya, and she started talking about how she supports the women in Kenya or something. She then went on to talk about how the men of Kenya are "useless". She seemed to realise that she was talking to a male as she said this, and she said "I don't mean that all men...". I interrupted her and said "did you go on safari?". Thankfully this steered the direction of the conversation away somewhere else.

It's all very well to say that the men of Kenya are useless, and they may well be, but it forces me to ask "is there any country in the world where the women are useless?" and if so would a man get away with saying it? As soon as she said that the men are useless, I felt like saying "the women build the roads out there so do they?"

According to all the Adverts looking for money on TV - there are no men in Africa. Footage inevitably shows children and women with men noticeably missing.

I can only presume its some type of bizarre matriarchal society where men are banned or dont actually exist and female children are born by parthenogenesis or something. Very odd for sure ...

bottlebrush

Similarly when there is a tragedy anywhere in the world such as a boat sinking or a bomb explosion its reported as the number of fatalities including x number of women and y number of children. Like the number of men who perished is not relevant.
Isn't all human life supposed to be sacred?

Wayne Jarvis

Kenya believe she said that?!

BDI

It’s a dig at you op.

Why should she be cleaning up when you are flopping around the house asking people to tell ye safari stories.

Go over to her house and hang a few shelves for her, you be testing her chassis out in no time. These feminist types like to be dominated by testosterone and ignorance.

Your Face

The opening post sounds like it could be written by a fella I went to school with.
He would overthink things to point of driving himself mad with frustration.
He ruined himself with his nonsense.

Danzy

Biodegradable wrote: »

So there's this minder who pops by my parents house every so often because my mom has dementia. I met her a few times before and I think I've got a hint of feminism about her. Anyway one day when I was chatting to her about her travels. She'd been to Kenya, and she started talking about how she supports the women in Kenya or something. She then went on to talk about how the men of Kenya are "useless". She seemed to realise that she was talking to a male as she said this, and she said "I don't mean that all men but blah blah". I interrupted her and said "did you go on safari?". Thankfully this steered the direction of the conversation away somewhere else.

But my question is, am I supposed to just stand there and let her say a bunch of stuff that I disagree with? Of course I can't verify with certainty that it's bullsh1t when she's saying it! The last time I was home I heard her reading something out of the paper to my mother about domestic violence and I overheard the words "because men can get aggressive with women".

It's all very well to say that the men of Kenya are useless and they may well be true, but it forces me to ask "is there any country in the world where the women are useless?" and if so, would a man get away with saying it? As soon as she said that the men are useless, I felt like saying to her "oh the women build the roads out there so do they?". What do you think of this?

Been to West Africa, long way from Kenya but finding a responsible man, in any way there is near impossible.

If it wasn't for the women there, their societies would collapse.

It's really something to behold, mind boggling actually.

yaboya1

The man who ran the first ever marathon in less than 2 hours this morning is Kenyan.
Suppose it depends on what your definition of useless is? It's certainly not the word I'd use to describe the feat.

Reviews and Books Galore

I do know a lot of female expats who look down on the local men for not being as hardworking/taking care of the children/not being the main breadwinner so on and so forth.



Again, live and let live imo.

SeaFields

Guy Person wrote: »

Kenya believe she said that?!

nairobi can I.

OP why does this bother you so much?

Yes she's a bit of an eejit, but there plenty of them around, and I'm sure most of them don't get you worked up. So what gives?

Reviews and Books Galore

Danzy wrote: »

Been to West Africa, long way from Kenya but finding a responsible man, in any way there is near impossible.

If it wasn't for the women there, their societies would collapse.

It's really something to behold, mind boggling actually.

I'm curious about examples?



I know that in the Phillipines sometimes the woman to work, pay the bills, and then give the Husband a stipend to go see the mistress on the side :P

El_Duderino 09

The "aren't feminists stupid?" Threads have been coming think and fast recently. But this is the most creative one I've seen in a while. Fair play OP.

To answer all your questions, yes the feminists are dreadful, yes the world would have stopped if anyone ever made a sweeping statement about women. Luckily nobody has ever has made a sweeping statement about women yet.

Danzy

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I do know a lot of female expats who look down on the local men for not being as hardworking/taking care of the children/not being the main breadwinner so on and so forth.



Again, live and let live imo.

It's their culture we won't change it but a near pathological hatred of work or responsibility is a big problem for them.

Not all.

We tried hiring a local carpenter, paid our wage level, months work they would buy a house locally and still be set for a year.

Impossible to get a fellow to work more than half hour, off hiding, sleeping under lorries etc.

Finally got one, stuck with him, he'd do a few hours a day that was all but he stood out a mile.

Jimbob1977

yaboya1 wrote: »

The man who ran the first ever marathon in less than 2 hours this morning is Kenyan.
Suppose it depends on what your definition of useless is? It's certainly not the word I'd use to describe the feat.

He had plenty of practice of running away from housework

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

It's their culture we won't change it but a near pathological hatred of work or responsibility is a big problem for them.

Not all.

We tried hiring a local carpenter, paid our wage level, months work they would buy a house locally and still be set for a year.

Impossible to get a fellow to work more than half hour, off hiding, sleeping under lorries etc.

Finally got one, stuck with him, he'd do a few hours a day that was all but he stood out a mile.

is drink a big problem in Kenya?

Danzy

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

I'm curious about examples?



I know that in the Phillipines sometimes the woman to work, pay the bills, and then give the Husband a stipend to go see the mistress on the side :P

One example, house went on fire near the barracks, UN, Irish soldiers asked permission to help, off we go, out comes the man sauntering his wife behind with the fridge.

He did fook all to save his goods while we took it out, for her sake.

Squall Leonhart

Guy Person wrote: »

Kenya believe she said that?!

What Uganda do about it?

Danzy

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

is drink a big problem in Kenya?

No idea, this was West Africa.

Often saw people with drink problems here work like demons.

Cultural outlook.

Danzy

Squall Leonhart wrote: »

What Uganda do about it?

Your Rwanda to talk about such things.

I Congo on and on about this.

krissovo

I lived in Nanyuki in the late 90’s for a couple of years and certainly then the majority of the men folk were as good as useless. Back then their main job was making sure the women earned money or doing deals. I used to hire some of the local men as labourers and as soon as I gave them a difficult job they would go and get the women to do it.

There were some men who were decent enough, most the game wardens could work hard.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

No idea, this was West Africa.

Often saw people with drink problems here work like demons.

Cultural outlook.

Oh sorry, I misread.

I only ask because it's a big issue in South Africa among the poorest black people. It gives rise to accusations of laziness or a shirker, but I think a lot of them must be very depressed.

I'm only talking now about the lack of work initiative. Obviously acting the dick and making your wife do all the heavy lifting is a different thing altogether.

B.A._Baracus

You did the right thing op. You changed the conversation.
Look she's your ma's minder. So you can't be telling her where to go. So do what you did.

If it was a random stranger yeah you can tell them to get stuffed. But you have to play the game a little.

Danzy

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Oh sorry, I misread.

I only ask because it's a big issue in South Africa among the poorest black people. It gives rise to accusations of laziness or a shirker, but I think a lot of them must be very depressed.

I'm only talking now about the lack of work initiative. Obviously acting the dick and making your wife do all the heavy lifting is a different thing altogether.

That man was the norm, shirking work is the norm, it's culturally inappropriate to be a hard worker, viewed as a fool even when it'll make you rich.

This wasn't down to drink or depression, the only lad with a history of that there was Danzy.

Sir Osis of Liver.

Sorry OP but you're African weirdo.(say it in a cockney accent)


Its all so Sudan...i can't deal with all these puns

SeaFields

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Its all so Sudan...i can't deal with all these puns

It's ok. Everything is Ghana be alright.

Biodegradable

BDI wrote: »

It’s a dig at you op.

Why should she be cleaning up when you are flopping around the house asking people to tell ye safari stories.

I asked her to tell me the safari story after she cleaned up.

mistersifter

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

Sorry OP but you're African weirdo.(say it in a cockney accent)


Its all so Sudan...i can't deal with all these puns

Kenya not hack the puns ? Shouldn't be on the thread so!

edit: a bit late!

Biodegradable

Guy Person wrote: »

Kenya believe she said that?!

I don't get it?

Outlaw Pete

You should have said, 'Sure if they where all idiots, how come one of them become President of the United States'.








I'm joking, before all the Boards leftists descend upon me.

BDI

Biodegradable wrote: »

I asked her to tell me the safari story after she cleaned up.

Proper order. Don’t be giving her excuses to stop cleaning.

Still waters

Sounds like they've got their bitches in line










:pac:

Marhay70

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

You should have said, 'Sure if they where all idiots, how come one of them become President of the United States'.








I'm joking, before all the Boards leftists descend upon me.

Judging by recent history I thought being an idiot was an essential qualification to be President of the U.S.

Danzy

Marhay70 wrote: »

Judging by recent history I thought being an idiot was an essential qualification to be President of the U.S.

Being about African American seems to be the main one recently, they've been electing dopes for decades.

Last one was the first African American President and this one has delivered record low black unemployment and wage growth.

I don't begrudge them their good turn in the last dozen years.