Dev Build

B Rabbit

As above, I'm looking to put together a build focused around software development.

Developing in .net so will be using SQL server, visual studio, visual studio code, etc. Lots of chrome tabs also!

I'm leaning towards more RAM as opposed to higher end graphics card as the xamarin android emulator is ram intensive.

Would like to be able to run up to 2 monitors @ 1440p .
1. What is your budget? [€1000]

2. What will be the main purpose of the computer? Development with a bit of gaming.

3. Do you need a copy of Windows? No

4. Can you use any parts from an old computer?

5. Do you need a monitor? I could get away without a new monitor for a while. Have a 24inch that would do me. Would like a 32inch 1440p in the future

5a. If yes, what size do you need.

5b. If no, what resolution is your current monitor and do you plan to upgrade in the near future? Current monitor is 1920x1080 , plan to upgrade to 1440p

6. Do you need any of these peripherals? no, i have keyboard, mouse and speakers.

7. Are you willing to try overclocking? yes

8. How can you pay? Credit card / debit card

9. When are you purchasing? No rush, next 30 days

10. If you need help building it, where are you based? don't need help assembling

If you have a sample build yourself, use Fluffy's script to format it nicely.


Thoughts?

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 2600 3.4 GHz 6-Core Processor (£117.50 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£106.95 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£149.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£63.75 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 590 8 GB PULSE Video Card (£197.70 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£68.74 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£63.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £768.60
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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Thanks

Edit. Will update with standard questions and answers later.

K.O.Kiki

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£164.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Green) CPU Cooler (£30.46 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£106.61 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£137.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£97.97 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING Video Card (£209.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£68.74 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£63.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £879.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-09 19:00 BST+0100

8-core CPU, better GPU (the RX 590 is not a good buy), bigger SSD, CPU cooler.

B Rabbit

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£164.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Green) CPU Cooler (£30.46 @ Scan.co.uk)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£106.61 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Patriot Viper Steel 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (£137.99 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£97.97 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING Video Card (£209.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£68.74 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£63.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £879.73
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-09 19:00 BST+0100

8-core CPU, better GPU (the RX 590 is not a good buy), bigger SSD, CPU cooler.

thank you ! You're so helpful. Any other thoughts? That CPU will benefit from that cooler ?

B Rabbit

I've also heard stuff around the ryzens liking fast memory? Should I go for 3200mhz ?

K.O.Kiki

B Rabbit wrote: »

I've also heard stuff around the ryzens liking fast memory? Should I go for 3200mhz ?

2nd-gen are fine around 3000MHz, though that kit (Crucial Ballistix) is supposed to be great for manual overclocking - buildzoid says he can get them to 4000+MHz easy.

All CPUs benefit from a better cooler, especially if you have the budget

B Rabbit

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

2nd-gen are fine around 3000MHz, though that kit (Crucial Ballistix) is supposed to be great for manual overclocking - buildzoid says he can get them to 4000+MHz easy.

All CPUs benefit from a better cooler, especially if you have the budget

Thanks! Is the GTX 1660 much better than an equivalent AMD unit in the same price range? Just trying to understand the pros and cons.

I don't see crucial ballistix in your build?

Cheers for the help.

K.O.Kiki

B Rabbit wrote: »

Thanks! Is the GTX 1660 much better than an equivalent AMD unit in the same price range? Just trying to understand the pros and cons.

I don't see crucial ballistix in your build?

Cheers for the help.

Oh yeah, put wrong memory kit (since the Crucial usually are the cheapest DDR4-3000 too).

Regarding GPUs, the RX 590 is basically a refresh of the RX 480/580 that has been pushed way past its efficiency curve.

It loses to the newer 1660 in both performance AND power consumption.

B Rabbit

Cheers!

updated build
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£164.00 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/Green) CPU Cooler (£33.04 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£106.61 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£152.39 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 1.02 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£97.97 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING Video Card (£209.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£70.22 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£63.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £898.19
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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B Rabbit

need a wireless card. changed the case, cpu cooler colour and dropped the storage capacity

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£154.09 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler (£34.10 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard (£94.79 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£152.38 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£56.10 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING Video Card (£209.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£70.79 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£63.97 @ Amazon UK)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link Archer T6E AC1300 PCIe x1 802.11a/b/g/n/ac Wi-Fi Adapter (£34.99 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £871.20
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-23 20:39 BST+0100

B Rabbit

Edit, changed MB to one with built in wifi

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£154.09 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler (£34.10 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£114.27 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£152.38 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£56.10 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING Video Card (£209.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£70.79 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair TXM Gold 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply (£63.97 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £855.69
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-23 21:29 BST+0100

K.O.Kiki

Looks good to me!

B Rabbit

swapping out power supply (future proofness ? and changed ram)

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£154.09 @ CCL Computers)
CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 33 eSports ONE (Black/White) CPU Cooler (£34.10 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£114.27 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport AT 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£152.38 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: Intel 660p Series 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£56.10 @ CCL Computers)
Video Card: Zotac GeForce GTX 1660 6 GB GAMING Video Card (£209.99 @ Amazon UK)
Case: NZXT H500 ATX Mid Tower Case (£70.79 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£84.98 @ Amazon UK)
Total: £876.70
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-10-24 10:43 BST+0100

H3llR4iser

Maybe I'd look at replacing that Intel 660p with something a bit faster, like a Samsung 970 Evo - but in all fairness, you'll probably never notice the difference. Considering it's web development you'll be doing, it might be more useful for you to add a bog standard 2TB hard drive to the configuration purely for storage - and maybe also for the games, plenty of modern games want more than 30GB of space.

The rest is spot on - I have the NZXT H500 case, plenty of quality for the money and looks damn fine. Got the same PSU as well, IIRC it's actually made by Seasonic - in all fairness it's overkill for your system, you could easily run it with a 80+ 500W PSU (recommending stupidly high wattage PSUs is a long-standing myth of PC building), but it won't hurt for sure.

B Rabbit

H3llR4iser wrote: »

Maybe I'd look at replacing that Intel 660p with something a bit faster, like a Samsung 970 Evo - but in all fairness, you'll probably never notice the difference. Considering it's web development you'll be doing, it might be more useful for you to add a bog standard 2TB hard drive to the configuration purely for storage - and maybe also for the games, plenty of modern games want more than 30GB of space.

The rest is spot on - I have the NZXT H500 case, plenty of quality for the money and looks damn fine. Got the same PSU as well, IIRC it's actually made by Seasonic - in all fairness it's overkill for your system, you could easily run it with a 80+ 500W PSU (recommending stupidly high wattage PSUs is a long-standing myth of PC building), but it won't hurt for sure.

cheers

darego

Which build did u go with in the end buddy? Also, if I don't need wireless should I go with the other mobo?

B Rabbit

darego wrote: »

Which build did u go with in the end buddy? Also, if I don't need wireless should I go with the other mobo?

I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. This Mobo also has bluetooth which is handy

B Rabbit

Hi All,

Waiting till black friday before picking these up
.
I've decided to hold off on a good gfx card for now and wait for 6 months before getting one.

Does it look ok? Is there a card you would recommend around the 50-70 euro mark to get me over the hump?

This PC will be used for software dev and general browsing for the next few months.

I'd rather save up a bit and get a better card then.

Cheeeeeers!

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£298.00 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£119.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£124.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)
Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case (£71.76 @ CCL Computers)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£55.47 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £730.17
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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B Rabbit

Stuck in a cheap card that should do the trick for now

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£289.99 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£119.98 @ Amazon UK)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£124.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£56.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon HD 6450 1 GB Video Card (£41.89 @ Amazon UK)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case (£62.49 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 520 W 80+ Bronze Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£55.47 @ Scan.co.uk)
Total: £751.78
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-22 11:03 GMT+0000

cherryghost

I never really understood the point of fully modular PSU's. You'll always need a cable for motherboard and CPU, and all semi-modular have those stuck in by default, and the rest of course then is optional. You could save a bit more if you choose semi-mod instead of fully mod.

The MSI AC motherboard out of the box is not compatible with the 3700X (but it does support Flash bios without CPU installed anyway).
I the MSI Tomahawk max you stated is fine, as it has a larger bios memory size for future updates of CPUs (something I looked into, the current B450 board has memory limitations and doesnt currently support all 3rd gen CPUs due to it(mostly lower end)), will support the 3700X out of the box, and the probablility 4th gen Ryzen will be compatible on the chipset, it makes sense to me to use this as stepping stone if you consider upgrading in future (although AMD hasnt been clear whether next gen CPUs will use new socket or not, they did state they will support the current socket into 2020).

K.O.Kiki

Fully modular makes sense if you're going to DIY your cable lengths, otherwise I agree that semi-modular makes the most sense for most builders.

... but they are objectively nicer to unbox :pac:

B Rabbit

cherryghost wrote: »

I never really understood the point of fully modular PSU's. You'll always need a cable for motherboard and CPU, and all semi-modular have those stuck in by default, and the rest of course then is optional. You could save a bit more if you choose semi-mod instead of fully mod.

The MSI AC motherboard out of the box is not compatible with the 3700X (but it does support Flash bios without CPU installed anyway).
I the MSI Tomahawk max you stated is fine, as it has a larger bios memory size for future updates of CPUs (something I looked into, the current B450 board has memory limitations and doesnt currently support all 3rd gen CPUs due to it(mostly lower end)), will support the 3700X out of the box, and the probablility 4th gen Ryzen will be compatible on the chipset, it makes sense to me to use this as stepping stone if you consider upgrading in future (although AMD hasnt been clear whether next gen CPUs will use new socket or not, they did state they will support the current socket into 2020).

These are great points. This is why i come here!.
The reason i went with the pro carbon ac is due to it having bluetooth and wifi..

Is the tomohawk max a better board overall? Would i be better off with a seperate wireless card for BT and wifi?

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Fully modular makes sense if you're going to DIY your cable lengths, otherwise I agree that semi-modular makes the most sense for most builders.

... but they are objectively nicer to unbox :pac:

Definitely not adjusting the cable lengths.

I didn't realise semi modular would be just as easy to work with.

Thanks folks!

SweetCaliber

The last 4 Carbon AC's I bought from Amazon for builds all work with the 3xxx out of the box. Just something to note.

Also the Carbon AC has a better LAN chip and audio chip btw.

B Rabbit

Cheers,

I'm likely gonna go with something like this:

I certainly don't need the latest ryzen and there seems to be good value in the last gen.

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor (£167.97 @ Amazon UK)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£114.49 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory (£124.97 @ Amazon UK)
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£56.99 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB PULSE Video Card (£176.02 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Corsair Carbide Series 275R ATX Mid Tower Case (£62.49 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: RIOTORO ENIGMA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£63.33 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £766.26
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-24 21:37 GMT+0000

K.O.Kiki

Get a regular 2700 (£140) + a better cooler (e.g. Arctic Freezer 33/34 line, Cryorig H7, be quiet Pure Rock) for same price.

B Rabbit

Picked up the Meshify C Tempered glass in white and Corsair RGB ram from scan.co.uk

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/fractal-design-meshify-c-tg-clear-white-mid-tower-computer-case-w-tempered-glass-window-atx-matx-mit

https://www.scan.co.uk/products/32gb-2x16gb-corsair-ddr4-vengeance-rgb-pro-black-pc4-25600-3200-non-ecc-unbuff-cas-16-135v-amd-ryzen

let the games begin!

B Rabbit

As an update,
This was the final build.

Total cost came in at 850e

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700 3.2 GHz 8-Core Processor (£138.99 @ Amazon UK)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler (£42.34 @ Ebuyer)
Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard (£114.49 @ CCL Computers)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance RGB Pro 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory
Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£58.34 @ Amazon UK)
Video Card: Sapphire Radeon RX 580 8 GB NITRO+ Video Card (£169.98 @ Ebuyer)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£94.86 @ Amazon UK)
Power Supply: RIOTORO ENIGMA G2 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£59.99 @ CCL Computers)

Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-12-03 12:28 GMT+0000