Cable theft on Dublin/Cork line

Del.Monte

Yet again!

whisky_galore

You would think they'd move on to the less attractive ( for thievery) fibre optic cabling?

L1011

whisky_galore wrote: »

You would think they'd move on to the less attractive ( for thievery) fibre optic cabling?

Can't carry electricity on glass.

A "cultured" action took place. We should be grateful the government has protected cultural incidences.

Zebra3

Deleted User wrote: »

A "cultured" action took place. We should be grateful the government has protected cultural incidences.

If you've something to say, why not coming out and say it?

Zebra3

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you've something to say, why not coming out and say it?

I already said it, boss.

whisky_galore

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you've something to say, why not coming out and say it?

It's an open secret.
Love the way IE call it 'vandalism' and not theft.

Jamie2k9

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's an open secret.
Love the way IE call it 'vandalism' and not theft.

Couldn't be upsetting Pavee Point!

Zebra3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I already said it, boss.

Nope.

Atlantic Dawn

whisky_galore wrote: »

It's an open secret.
Love the way IE call it 'vandalism' and not theft.

Ethnic cleansing of news yet again.

ALS

Live P.A announcer was calling it theft this morning in fairness, heard him numerous times ...

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Ethnic cleansing of news yet again.

Zebra3

Have those with inside knowledge of this crime contacted AGS yet?

Del.Monte

Zebra3 wrote: »

Have those with inside knowledge of this crime contacted AGS yet?

You're ploughing a lonely furrow there.

coylemj

I don't understand the reference to the 'Dublin/Cork line' in the thread title - the stretch of track where the theft vandalism happened also serves Galway, Westport, Waterford, Limerick and Tralee.

enricoh

Not the howrya bosses but their ethnic cousins from Romania if i was a betting man

https://m.herald.ie/news/foreign-copper-gang-who-sparked-10m-blaze-put-lives-at-risk-during-theft-34642471.html

Stark

Looks like an Irish rail employee managed to stop the attempted theft vandalism. Fair play to him https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/heuston-trains-running-on-time-again-after-thieves-tried-to-steal-copper-wire-1.4044963

Zebra3

Del.Monte wrote: »

You're ploughing a lonely furrow there.

Beats being in a group of bigots.

Del.Monte

coylemj wrote: »

I don't understand the reference to the 'Dublin/Cork line' in the thread title - the stretch of track where the theft vandalism happened also serves Galway, Westport, Waterford, Limerick and Tralee.

You're being a tad pedantic. Most people would refer to Heuston/Cork as the Dublin/Cork line - the other places are served by branches.

Del.Monte

Zebra3 wrote: »

Beats being in a group of bigots.

Do you not think that's a bit rich given your own tagline?

punisher5112

This is quite common just like the theft of lead, eir phone line poles, cables, exhausts off vehicles, fuel drainage from vehicles but more so home heating oil tanks, dodgy roof repair, driveway cleaning or an attempt and other gunthering....

punisher5112

Zebra3 wrote: »

Beats being in a group of bigots.

Is there a reason for such slander?

Very narrow minded.

whisky_galore

sugarman wrote: »

Whoever is found to be buying it off said thieves should be prosecuted just as hard.. if there's no market for it, they won't be stealing it.

Proposals to regulate the scrap metal industry were voted down. Government isn't that bothered.
So it will only keep on occurring.

boombang

I know people find the implication that this was perpetrated by travellers distasteful. I don't know if it was travellers or not. However, I think that question is relevant: this is a highly disruptive crime and I believe there's a societal unwillingness to confront this group. If that's that true, then I think the softly softly approach is contributing to the woes of commuters.

Despite that, whoever did it are scumbags, irrespective of their ethnicity.

whisky_galore

The UK can do it, we can't.
Unless the lead is stripped off the roof of Leinster House I can't see our lot bothering.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/metal-theft-falls-after-introduction-of-scrap-metal-dealers-act

A review into the Scrap Metal Dealers Act, which brought in tough measures to crack down on the trade in stolen metal, has revealed the number of thefts has dropped from nearly 62,000 per year in 2012/13 to around 16,000 in 2015/16, potentially saving the UK economy hundreds of millions of pounds.

Eric Cartman

sugarman wrote: »

Whoever is found to be buying it off said thieves should be prosecuted just as hard.. if there's no market for it, they won't be stealing it.

well the government did try set up a scrap metal register, but one particular group called it racist for some reason....

Jamie2k9

enricoh wrote: »

Not the howrya bosses but their ethnic cousins from Romania if i was a betting man

https://m.herald.ie/news/foreign-copper-gang-who-sparked-10m-blaze-put-lives-at-risk-during-theft-34642471.html

TBH I would expect them to be more clever and pick a better target and get the job done.

coylemj

coylemj wrote: »

I don't understand the reference to the 'Dublin/Cork line' in the thread title - the stretch of track where the theft vandalism happened also serves Galway, Westport, Waterford, Limerick and Tralee.

Del.Monte wrote: »

You're being a tad pedantic.

Guilty m'Lud.

Del.Monte wrote: »

Most people would refer to Heuston/Cork as the Dublin/Cork line - the other places are served by branches.

'Most people'

Remind me..... is the Red Cow hotel on the road to Cork, or the road to Limerick? Please treat this question in the same spirit of pedantry as my earlier post (quoted above).

alias no.9

coylemj wrote: »

Guilty m'Lud.



'Most people'

Remind me..... is the Red Cow hotel on the road to Cork, or the road to Limerick? Please treat this question in the same spirit of pedantry as my earlier post (quoted above).

Neither, it's on the road to Naas

boombang

Eric Cartman wrote: »

well the government did try set up a scrap metal register, but one particular group called it racist for some reason....

Is that true? Would seem a terrible failure is responsibility if so, not that that would surprise me from Irish government.

Ubbquittious

The scrap metal industry doesn't need to be punished for this, only the people doing the actual thieving.

I bring the odd bit of scrap to be recycled and don't want more regulatory hoop jumping to put up with

Sharp MZ700

Isn't scrap metal worth very little these days anyhow? Of course if you're getting (taking) it for free it helps.

Ubbquittious

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

Isn't scrap metal worth very little these days anyhow? Of course if you're getting (taking) it for free it helps.

Copper and lead are worth a nice bit

Steel only 120 a tonne

punisher5112

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

Isn't scrap metal worth very little these days anyhow? Of course if you're getting (taking) it for free it helps.

Exhaust systems have precious metals which they love to get their hands on...platinum one such metal.

They just cut them off.

whisky_galore

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The scrap metal industry doesn't need to be punished for this, only the people doing the actual thieving.

I bring the odd bit of scrap to be recycled and don't want more regulatory hoop jumping to put up with

A little bit of paperwork and/or verification is hardly "punishment" for dealers. If it cuts out epic proportions of metal theft, so be it.

Leave it up to the justice system? Lol.

Zebra3

Del.Monte wrote: »

Do you not think that's a bit rich given your own tagline?

Nope. Maybe those with insight into the crime can report their insider information.

punisher5112 wrote: »

Is there a reason for such slander?

Very narrow minded.

I didn’t slander anyone so less of the false accusations please.

boombang

Ubbquittious wrote: »

The scrap metal industry doesn't need to be punished for this, only the people doing the actual thieving.

I bring the odd bit of scrap to be recycled and don't want more regulatory hoop jumping to put up with

If you''re not being paid for the odd bit that you're recycling, then I don't see how regulation would affect you?

Ubbquittious

boombang wrote: »

If you''re not being paid for the odd bit that you're recycling, then I don't see how regulation would affect you?

I'm hardly doing it for free.

punisher5112

Zebra3 wrote: »

Nope. Maybe those with insight into the crime can report their insider information.



I didn’t slander anyone so less of the false accusations please.

You yourself are name calling which actually is wrong... You called others bigots which is slander as you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.....

Suppose it shows your true colours....

I didn't call you names so less of that and your smart arse remarks....

Working class heroes

punisher5112 wrote: »

You yourself are name calling which actually is wrong... You called others bigots which is slander as you haven't provided any evidence to the contrary.....

Suppose it shows your true colours....

I didn't call you names so less of that and your smart arse remarks....

The evidence is all over this thread, as it is with the rest of this site. The place is full of bigotry.

Homer

Working class heroes wrote: »

The evidence is all over this thread, as it is with the rest of this site. The place is full of bigotry.

Maybe this site is just not for the likes of you? Would seem you’re very very much in the minority. But sure whinge away

Sharp MZ700

Homer wrote: »

Maybe this site is just not for the likes of you? Would seem you’re very very much in the minority. But sure whinge away

Watch it getting shut down. The usuals.

Working class heroes

Homer wrote: »

Maybe this site is just not for the likes of you? Would seem you’re very very much in the minority. But sure whinge away

So you agree with me then.

Working class heroes

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

Watch it getting shut down. The usuals.

What a wonderfully well thought out, intelligent post.

punisher5112

Working class heroes wrote: »

The evidence is all over this thread, as it is with the rest of this site. The place is full of bigotry.

Show...

Working class heroes

punisher5112 wrote: »

Show...

Wood for the trees man. If I have to point it out to you, you are probably part of it...

punisher5112

Working class heroes wrote: »

Wood for the trees man. If I have to point it out to you, you are probably part of it...

Very unfair....

I will only call it what it is....

biko

It does have all the markings of a culture crime.

Why these crimes are committed is another story.

91wx763

enricoh wrote: »

Not the howrya bosses but their ethnic cousins from Romania if i was a betting man

https://m.herald.ie/news/foreign-copper-gang-who-sparked-10m-blaze-put-lives-at-risk-during-theft-34642471.html

Can we get away from blaming "Romanians" please ???

If you are going to hate, hate properly. They are "ROMA" or romany gyspies.

Even Wikipedia gets that right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Edina and Victor from Slobozia who work with me can't wire a plug let alone nick copper.

enricoh

91wx763 wrote: »

Can we get away from blaming "Romanians" please ???

If you are going to hate, hate properly. They are "ROMA" or romany gyspies.

Even Wikipedia gets that right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people

Edina and Victor from Slobozia who work with me can't wire a plug let alone nick copper.

From the article, take it up with the herald and the gardai maybe?
>
An organised crime gang of Romanian nationals are the chief suspects in the theft of copper wire from an ESB substation that sparked a massive fire causing €10m worth of damage.

https://m.herald.ie/news/foreign-copper-gang-who-sparked-10m-blaze-put-lives-at-risk-during-theft-34642471.html

Eric Cartman

boombang wrote: »

Is that true? Would seem a terrible failure is responsibility if so, not that that would surprise me from Irish government.

from here : http://www.waterfordcouncil.ie/media/economic-development/lecp/Waterford%20LECP%20Report%20on%20Consultation%20Process.pdf

Regulations, which have had the effect of pushing Travellers out of key industries in the Traveller economy.10 Since the 1990s, Government legislation has impacted negatively on opportunities within the Traveller economy, most notably the anti-trespass legislation (Housing (Miscellaneous provisions) Act 2002); The Casual Trading Act (2005); Control
of Horses Act (1996); EU directive on end of life of vehicles (2000); as well as proposed new legislation on scrap metal. There has been no impact assessment undertaken prior to the introduction of these Acts, nor has there been any measures taken by the State to mitigate their impact on Travellers.

its referencing the 2013 bill : http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/SP14000168

these were the provisions they had an issue with :
Dealers must record the details of transactions (including identity of sellers, nature of the material, origin of material, etc.) and retain such records for 5 years

· Dealers must retain material for 30 days and in the case of precious metals in an unaltered state for 5 days

· Powers for An Garda Síochána to enter premises, seize records, materials etc.

· Offences and penalties for non-compliance with provisions of the Act, in relation to such matters as falsification of records, withholding information etc.

Odyssey 2005

Zebra3 wrote: »

If you've something to say, why not coming out and say it?

You seemed to understand the statement just fine .