Leaf 30kw range

michaelduignan

Hi,

I was hoping for some advice here as everywhere online has conflicting views on this.

My commute is 80 miles round trip. Would it be risky to go ahead and get a 30kw leaf for this journey? It is a national road route.

My budget is 20k and I want 2017+.

Also would 6.6kw on-board charger be essential for full overnight charge? Would 3.3kw take 9 hrs from empty?

Any advice would be great here.

Mickeroo

You'd be cutting it close in winter with a 30kwh leaf I would think. Consider stretching the budget to an ioniq maybe?

This one looks a bit of a bargain: https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-hyundai-ioniq-premium-electric/23103645

unkel

Your budget is nearly enough for an Ioniq. Which will do your trip in winter in the worst possible weather while still driving at the speed limit (the Leaf I wouldn't be so sure, unless you take it really handy on a bad day). It also has 7.2kW charging on board and it can charge on all the new Ionity fast chargers, where Leafs can't charge

And if you really want a Leaf, your budget is only a few grand short of the new model Leaf 40kWh

slave1

I have a 2016 Leaf 30 with lower charger.
I have a 108km commute, mix 30% 80 70% 100 roads, very hilly, lots of bends.
I summer I have ~38% range left when I get home, my worst range left was last Winter at 19%.
I have no issue with the lower charger.
You will struggle to find a 2018 L30 due to the introdction of the L40, I saw 2017 L30 in the UK at £13k-£14k private sales during the Summer so I would import

michaelduignan

slave1 wrote: »

I have a 2016 Leaf 30 with lower charger.
I have a 108km commute, mix 30% 80 70% 100 roads, very hilly, lots of bends.
I summer I have ~38% range left when I get home, my worst range left was last Winter at 19%.
I have no issue with the lower charger.
You will struggle to find a 2018 L30 due to the introdction of the L40, I saw 2017 L30 in the UK at £13k-£14k private sales during the Summer so I would import

Thanks for this info. I think the extra 12km minimum would make me nervous so in winter. Could be below 10% in no time so.

michaelduignan

Mickeroo wrote: »

You'd be cutting it close in winter with a 30kwh leaf I would think. Consider stretching the budget to an ioniq maybe?

This one looks a bit of a bargain: https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2017-hyundai-ioniq-premium-electric/23103645

The ioniq would probably be 3k plus more than the 2017 leaf so it would take me longer to make it back. But it would be piece of mind. How much to spray the colour?!

unkel

michaelduignan wrote: »

The ioniq would probably be 3k plus more than the 2017 leaf so it would take me longer to make it back.

That is not logic!

A €21k 2017 will depreciate less than a €18k 2017 Leaf 30kWh. Both in absolute and in relative terms. It is also cheaper to run. But if you have to finance the whole amount, it will cost you a bit more in interest. Overall total cost of ownership of the Ioniq will be lower.

krissovo

You would have plenty of range for your commute with a 30kwh leaf in even poor conditions. On the worst of days a small change in your driving can really boost the range if needed.

With your budget as unkel said you are Ioniq territory which is without a doubt the best bang for your buck for range/price/charging speed it is so efficient. Only a top spec (SVE/Tekna) Leaf would slightly tempt me away from an Ioniq But the Ioniq would win as I would trust it if I had to do longer journeys.

You are also in the ball park area of a I3 94ah (33kwh) or 60ah (22kwh) Range extender, so if you like a but of fun on your drive. Not as efficient as the Ioniq but its a rear wheel drive lightweight pocket rocket and will do 160kms on the worst of days.

Lots of value in the UK, I just brought in a 172 I3 fully loaded with every possible extra for 21.5k including delivery to Dublin. Ioniq’s and Leafs were also good value.

optimal

I drive a Leaf 30 and I do not believe you could rely on it for this range especially in winter. It’s a really good car and lovely to drive but if you have wind against you and rain and it’s cold there’s no way in my opinion you would get close to this range. You would be looking at 110 to 120 km and maybe less.

krissovo

It’s only a 80km round trip so plenty of juice leftover.

slave1

optimal wrote: »

I drive a Leaf 30 and I do not believe you could rely on it for this range especially in winter. It’s a really good car and lovely to drive but if you have wind against you and rain and it’s cold there’s no way in my opinion you would get close to this range. You would be looking at 110 to 120 km and maybe less.

Have to disagree with that based on my experience, minimum 130kms range on a deplorable cold day with driving rain and puddled roads last Feb, perhaps my battery will have degraded over the months but not to that level.
Each car/commute may be different I suppose

ewj1978

OP said miles not km so thats ~130km

I'd not do it in an L30. You'd constantly be worrying and the leaf battery will degrade quick enough.
For that money get an ioniq or a i3 94ah. Better battery management and better cars tbh.

(previous L30 SVE owner who did ~65k/kms in my leaf)

Even look at Zoe 40's.

optimal

krissovo wrote: »

It’s only a 80km round trip so plenty of juice leftover.

Oops 😳. I misread that. At 80km round trip then no problem. Look for fast charger and if possible get the SVE / Tekna. The extras are nice to have.

Mickeroo

slave1 wrote: »

Have to disagree with that based on my experience, minimum 130kms range on a deplorable cold day with driving rain and puddled roads last Feb, perhaps my battery will have degraded over the months but not to that level.
Each car/commute may be different I suppose

I don't think 130kms is enough for OP's commute. When considering an EV I think it's best to use the worst case scenario range as the bar, the aim should be never to see turtle mode imo.

slave1

You are right, my post (where I disagreed) was in relation to optimal's post saying less than 110kms range in a L30 in Winter, not in relation to OP's request.
A L40 would do this and there was one on Autotrader for 2 days earlier this week for asking £19,995 that got snapped up.

Mickeroo

slave1 wrote: »

You are right, my post (where I disagreed) was in relation to optimal's post saying less than 110kms range in a L30 in Winter, not in relation to OP's request.
A L40 would do this and there was one on Autotrader for 2 days earlier this week for asking £19,995 that got snapped up.

Ah my bad slave, an L40 would of course be perfect for their needs.

rodneytrotter15

Can someone tell me how long a 30KWH Leaf would take to charge on a 32AMP work charger. Both the 3.3KWH and 6.6KWH versions ?

I'm sure there's am easy way I should be able to work it out but can't.

KCross

rodneytrotter15 wrote: »

Can someone tell me how long a 30KWH Leaf would take to charge on a 32AMP work charger. Both the 3.3KWH and 6.6KWH versions ?

I'm sure there's am easy way I should be able to work it out but can't.

From 0-100%...

28kWh/3.3kW = about 9hrs
28kWh/6kW = about 4.5hrs

Note the L30 only has 28kWh usable and you have to allow for charging losses so 3.3kW and 6kW respectively in those equations.