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Motor tax question.

  • 30-09-2019 5:56pm
    #1
    vtiniall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭


    Just a quick question on the road tax in Ireland. If you buy a car tat fall into the new motor tax band, the CO2 emmissions, Will that car ever fall into the old motor tax band on engine size ?.


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  • #2
    jhud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭jhud


    vtiniall wrote: »
    Just a quick question on the road tax in Ireland. If you buy a car tat fall into the new motor tax band, the CO2 emmissions, Will that car ever fall into the old motor tax band on engine size ?.[/quot

    Car tax is base on year co2 and year and engine size.
    So for cars up to the end of 2007 and older they fall under engines size based tax only.

    Cars from 2008 are based on the co2 rating of car.

    All of these can increase in the budgets.


  • #3
    vtiniall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭vtiniall


    Cheers for the reply. So cars that fall into 2008 onwards will only ever stay in rating of CO2 motor tax, They wont fall into the old method by engine size.

    The reason I ask is that Im on the hunt for a 2.5 Turbo petrol, Ill be getting it in the new tax catergory, It will be in the cheaper tax catergory, I just dont want to get it and then the car falls into the old bracket after a few years and I end up having to pay the silly money for a 2.5 engine..


  • #4
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,523 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    No. I doesn’t work like that.


  • #5
    vtiniall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 88 ✭✭vtiniall


    Excellent, Ill go on the hunt in the new year for the car so, I would hate to be paying the old rate on a 2.5 litre engine. I have a 2.2 TDCI at the moment and getting hammered with a €268 per quarter on tax. Not pretty.


  • #6
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭grogi


    vtiniall wrote: »
    Just a quick question on the road tax in Ireland. If you buy a car tat fall into the new motor tax band, the CO2 emmissions, Will that car ever fall into the old motor tax band on engine size ?.

    Not according to current regulations. Highly unlikely that this will change on future either.


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  • #7
    route66
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭route66


    vtiniall wrote: »
    Just a quick question on the road tax in Ireland. If you buy a car tat fall into the new motor tax band, the CO2 emmissions, Will that car ever fall into the old motor tax band on engine size ?.


    What nobody has said in their answers - because nobody knows - is what the rate for each band will be. I also have a 2.5 litre petrol-engined car but as it's a hybrid with 103 co2 emissions it's unlikely the rate for this will skyrocket - in contrast to your proposed 2.5 turbo which might, depending on it's co2 and associated government policy.


    In general, I think the motor tax rates will increase disproportionately as co2 emmissions rise. E.G. I'd guess a post '08 car with the 179 co2 of my old 2.0 petrol Honda Accord would be unaffordable.


  • #8
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,523 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Lads, the Co2 system is out 11 years and they haven’t moved pre 2008 cars onto the emissions system in that time. They haven’t changed the cc rates in donkeys years either.
    This is a total non-issue.


  • #9
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Lads, the Co2 system is out 11 years and they haven’t moved pre 2008 cars onto the emissions system in that time. They haven’t changed the cc rates in donkeys years either.
    This is a total non-issue.

    My pre-08 €1800+ pa tax is totally an issue. Especially in a car I did 3k kms in....

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #10
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,523 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    galwaytt wrote: »
    My pre-08 €1800+ pa tax is totally an issue. Especially in a car I did 3k kms in....

    Do you know what the thread’s about? :D


  • #11
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭grogi


    galwaytt wrote: »
    My pre-08 €1800+ pa tax is totally an issue. Especially in a car I did 3k kms in....

    And how much would it be on CO2 rates?!


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  • #12
    galwaytt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,823 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    grogi wrote: »
    And how much would it be on CO2 rates?!

    €2,350 p.a.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



  • #13
    grogi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,616 ✭✭✭grogi


    galwaytt wrote: »
    €2,350 p.a.

    So you're still better off on old tax, aren't you?


  • #14
    Mad_Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Mad_Mike


    By the way, if going for a 2008 car, double check it is in fact on the CO2 tax, as some of the early cars in 2008 are still taxed at the old engine cc rating.
    This applies only to 2008 when the changeover happened, not any years after.


  • #15
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,523 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Mad_Mike wrote: »
    By the way, if going for a 2008 car, double check it is in fact on the CO2 tax, as some of the early cars in 2008 are still taxed at the old engine cc rating.
    This applies only to 2008 when the changeover happened, not any years after.

    If they were cheaper on Co2 they automatically changed over.
    If they weren’t - they didn’t.


  • #16
    pinktoe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭pinktoe


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    If they were cheaper on Co2 they automatically changed over.
    If they weren’t - they didn’t.

    What way were imports taxed, say a feb 2008 car?


  • #17
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,523 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Co2 regardless as far as I know.


  • #18
    Mad_Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Mad_Mike


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    If they were cheaper on Co2 they automatically changed over.
    If they weren’t - they didn’t.

    That's actually very interesting Colm.
    I assumed it was up to a certain period
    Now I'm confused, as I've been looking at Audi A6's from 2008 and a 2.0TDi Avant I saw was 710 road tax, and then saw another Avant for 570, and saw a saloon A6 for 390!!
    :confused:


  • #19
    Mad_Mike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,655 ✭✭✭Mad_Mike


    OK. This gets more confusing. Just checked a 08 Avant and it comes back as not 710, or not 570, but 750??

    And ANOTHER....
    09 2.0TDiE model? 280 p.a. ???


  • #20
    colm_mcm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,523 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Mad_Mike wrote: »
    That's actually very interesting Colm.
    I assumed it was up to a certain period
    Now I'm confused, as I've been looking at Audi A6's from 2008 and a 2.0TDi Avant I saw was 710 road tax, and then saw another Avant for 570, and saw a saloon A6 for 390!!
    :confused:

    If the tax for emissions was higher than €710 (or whatever it was in 08) then it would have stayed on €710.

    There are different variants of A6 with different power outputs, gearboxes, wheels, suspension etc which affect the CO2 figure.

    The TDIe is a specific low emissions model. Hence the low tax.


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