Buying from UK (amazon.co.uk etc) and using Parcel motel etc after no deal brexit

Mc-BigE

Whats going to happen when buying on amazon.co.uk and shipping it to belfast(and into ROI) after no deal Brexit next month.

listening to an advert on the radio this morning about having to pay 23% VAT all goods bought online from UK companies. i understand amazon is not a UK company . but if it originates in UK (amazon UK warehouse) or comes through UK on the way to ROI will it be considered UK goods?

here is a link to the website in the advert:

https://www.ccpc.ie/consumers/shopping/brexit/

SVI40

Currently, when buying from an EU country, as a consumer, you already pay the VAT in that country. In the event of a no deal, the UK "should" remove whatever tax they add, as it is an export, and then the VAT will be added when it lands here.
Similar to non EU visitors being able to claim tax back at the airport when they leave.

Mc-BigE

that will be interesting, trying to get a UK company to take VAT off the price of goods you are buying online as an irish consumer, thats going to take emails back and forth before clicking on the buy button online.

also will Parcel motel and others be forced to get the 23% Vat and other taxes off the consumer before they release the goods?

Slippin Jimmy

I will be using their French or German sites. I've found them to be cheaper than the UK site most of the time.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Don't forget at least 17% Customs duty on the sale price plus postage, before the VAT is added, plus an admin charge for delivery company collecting it. As things stand it would be in different to buying from China - parcel motel to not.

Mc-BigE

so probably not a good time to topup my parcel motel account

whiterebel

Memphis Modern Watercress wrote: »

Don't forget at least 17% Customs duty on the sale price plus postage, before the VAT is added, plus an admin charge for delivery company collecting it. As things stand it would be in different to buying from China - parcel motel to not.

where’s that coming from?

GerardKeating

Mc-BigE wrote: »

but if it originates in UK (amazon UK warehouse) or comes through UK on the way to ROI will it be considered UK goods

Amazon has basically three "models" in the one site.

• Stuff sold and shipped by Amazon
• Stuff sold by "someone else" and shipped by Amazon
• Stuff sold by "someone else" and shipped by "someone else"

For the first catagory, Amazon have fulfilment centres in the EU, and (even pre Brexit) your order might ship from the EU. After BREXIT, either they ship from an EU centre, or it will not be available to order from Ireland, as with many items alreaddy.

For the second catagory, Amazon encourgage the third party to supply fulfilment centes in the EU, or not sell the Ireland, I notice a few sellers I could buy from last year, no longer sell to ireland.

For the final catagory, most of the ones i dealt with shipped from China into an EU Fulfilment centre, so maybe no change for us, but problems for the UK..

Mc-BigE wrote: »

that will be interesting, trying to get a UK company to take VAT off the price of goods you are buying online as an irish consumer, thats going to take emails back and forth before clicking on the buy button online.

also will Parcel motel and others be forced to get the 23% Vat and other taxes off the consumer before they release the goods?

If one orders from Amazon UK and ships to parcel motel, they won't/can't take the VAT off, since they are not exporting it, unless Northern Ireland stays in the EU.

ednwireland

SVI40 wrote: »

Currently, when buying from an EU country, as a consumer, you already pay the VAT in that country.

if the company selling to you trade over 35k into ireland from the eu you should be charged irish vat

GerardKeating

ednwireland wrote: »

if the company selling to you trade over 35k into ireland from the eu you should be charged irish vat

Amazon charge VAT at Irish rates, that why the price suddently jump up when you pay, the earlier pages showed UK VAT.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

whiterebel wrote: »

where’s that coming from?

TARIC measures for purchases from Non EU countries.

whiterebel

Memphis Modern Watercress wrote: »

TARIC measures for purchases from Non EU countries.

There isn’t a standard duty rate. It varies wildly depending on the commodity. Computers, phones etc are usually zero rated.

Quackster

whiterebel wrote: »

There isn’t a standard duty rate. It varies wildly depending on the commodity. Computers, phones etc are usually zero rated.

And anything that cost €150 or less (before postage and any other costs) is customs duty exempt.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

whiterebel wrote: »

There isn’t a standard duty rate. It varies wildly depending on the commodity. Computers, phones etc are usually zero rated.

Only going on anything bought in this house to date.

I thought phones and computers were 3% plus VAT.


The point remains that VAT is not the only potential charge post Brexit as there will be customs duty, vat and collection charges not presently applicable.

Del2005

Their US site already pays Irish taxes and duties when you buy from it so the UK site will be the same they'll ad the cost at the till, but since it'll be coming from outside the EU it'll be cheaper to buy from their EU sites and avoid the extra charge.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Del2005 wrote: »

Their US site already pays Irish taxes and duties when you buy from it so the UK site will be the same they'll ad the cost at the till, but since it'll be coming from outside the EU it'll be cheaper to buy from their EU sites and avoid the extra charge.

But if you buy via Parcel Motel, per the OP, the seller will not apply the charges but the courier will have to before delivery. It seems kind of messy.

Best to pay for delivery to here directly, probably. But either way costs from the UK site will rise.
You're right, the Eu sites seem to be the best option, provided postage doesn't negate any savings.

FileNotFound

Why do people just not open a amazon.de account, just use the language option top right to change language.

Admittedly some times i find what i want in .co.uk and then purchase on .de for ease but that can still happen.

Seems the most simple and cheapest solution - shipping delays and costs post brexit alone will make getting stuff on .co.uk awkward

whiterebel

FileNotFound wrote: »

Why do people just not open a amazon.de account, just use the language option top right to change language.

Admittedly some times i find what i want in .co.uk and then purchase on .de for ease but that can still happen.

Seems the most simple and cheapest solution - shipping delays and costs post brexit alone will make getting stuff on .co.uk awkward

You don't even need to sign up - you can log in to any Amazon site with your .co.uk login

techdiver

FileNotFound wrote: »

Why do people just not open a amazon.de account, just use the language option top right to change language.

Admittedly some times i find what i want in .co.uk and then purchase on .de for ease but that can still happen.

Seems the most simple and cheapest solution - shipping delays and costs post brexit alone will make getting stuff on .co.uk awkward

Shipping costs for one. Free shipping on .co.uk vs no free shipping from .de.

Jim_Hodge

Anybody know if you can get a gift card balance on .co.uk over to .de?

ELM327

techdiver wrote: »

Shipping costs for one. Free shipping on .co.uk vs no free shipping from .de.

Is there a DE prime? Would that cover free shipping here too

beachhead

there is no .de prime from what i hear

eirlink

beachhead wrote: »

there is no .de prime from what i hear

i just ordered on amazon.de and was offered prime.
there are loads of items with prime option

i will be cancelling my .co.uk prime in due course

jimmycrackcorm

eirlink wrote: »

i just ordered on amazon.de and was offered prime.
there are loads of items with prime option

i will be cancelling my .co.uk prime in due course

Are you sure about that as the prime options are only specifically for German / Austrian addresses? You can buy prime of course, but unlikely that you'll get delivery here from it free.

eirlink

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Are you sure about that as the prime options are only specifically for German / Austrian addresses? You can buy prime of course, but unlikely that you'll get delivery here from it free.

yea, i have to check it out, i have a contact high up in amazon....just strange i was offered it at order stage and again at checkout, to an Irish address. thanks

ginger_hammer

if you buy electronics from .de won't it have german plugs on?

Quackster

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Are you sure about that as the prime options are only specifically for German / Austrian addresses? You can buy prime of course, but unlikely that you'll get delivery here from it free.

Yes, there is Amazon DE Prime but free shipping is only within Germany & Austria.

pummice

Whats the story with buying second hand or used goods after Jan 1st from UK?

dartboardio

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Anybody know if yet a gift card balance on .co.uk over to .de?

Nope, tried it multiple times, you're unable to transfer gift card amounts , you're not allowed buy another giftcard with the giftcard balance either. :mad:

dartboardio

ginger_hammer wrote: »

if you buy electronics from .de won't it have german plugs on?

Yes, it will have a European plug. You can pick up EU to UK plug adapters for a few euro.

GerardKeating

ginger_hammer wrote: »

if you buy electronics from .de won't it have german plugs on?

Depends on what you buy, i just got some computer kit, and it came with both plugs.

whiterebel

There is Prime for Amazon.de but no free shipping too Ireland. Minimum is about €8.

Second hand/used goods will still be liable to VAT/Duty as an import from outside the EU.

Mc-BigE

Now that there is a EU/UK trade deal What does this mean for VAT and duties on goods from UK to Ireland

harmless

Mc-BigE wrote: »

Now that there is a EU/UK trade deal What does this mean for VAT and duties on goods from UK to Ireland

Amazon.co.uk is registered for VAT in Ireland and will only charge Irish VAT at checkout when you enter your address as Ireland.
So that's fine, you can't be charged Irish VAT again when it enters the country.

Companies in the UK not registered for VAT in Ireland will try to charge you UK VAT. You should never pay UK VAT, revenue does not care if you have or have not paid UK VAT so will charge you Irish VAT when it enters the country.

At checkout if you see you are being charged UK VAT you need to contact the company and ask them to fill out a VAT(407 I believe) form.

They can then invoice you with no VAT added and the courier will pay Irish VAT when it arrives then charge you the VAT + €10 handling fee.

Unfortunately some companies who do not value the Irish market may not bother to fill out the paperwork required to invoice you without UK VAT.
In those cases you can either pay VAT in two countries if you really need the item or try to find an EU seller.

FileNotFound

Mc-BigE wrote: »

Now that there is a EU/UK trade deal What does this mean for VAT and duties on goods from UK to Ireland

Sadly seems the likes of parcel motel etc. have decided that its all too flakey and unclear.

Was hoping they would send an email announcing bringing back virtual UK addresses post deal but instead they emailed to confirm that we have an irish one now (Not sure why they bother - lets be honest I'll get it shipped direct rather than pay parcel motel 4 euro to make me visit a drop off point)

Waiting and hoping though - was cheaper to ship via PM than most postage

ELM327

FileNotFound wrote: »

Sadly seems the likes of parcel motel etc. have decided that its all too flakey and unclear.

Was hoping they would send an email announcing bringing back virtual UK addresses post deal but instead they emailed to confirm that we have an irish one now (Not sure why they bother - lets be honest I'll get it shipped direct rather than pay parcel motel 4 euro to make me visit a drop off point)

Waiting and hoping though - was cheaper to ship via PM than most postage

I'd say 80% plus of the PM business was a forwarding address for free uk shipping. Very few would bother with an Irish based address.


I think they will find a way to get back to normal operations very soon or they will be out of business

L1011

ELM327 wrote: »

I think they will find a way to get back to normal operations very soon or they will be out of business

Or UPS (their owners) will just use it as a lockers business like DHL and An Post have been rolling out.

Vastly more people working from home has reduced the market for lockers but that will change.

whiterebel

L1011 wrote: »

Or UPS (their owners) will just use it as a lockers business like DHL and An Post have been rolling out.

Vastly more people working from home has reduced the market for lockers but that will change.

I think that's what they will do. If they get the pricing and service right people would use it, rather than having deliveries lobbed over the fence or into the green bin.

FileNotFound

whiterebel wrote: »

I think that's what they will do. If they get the pricing and service right people would use it, rather than having deliveries lobbed over the fence or into the green bin.

All about the pricing alright - the free uk delivery is what made it - pre brexit i got Coffee from UK store - for them to post would cost 18 sterling to Ireland. PM was only 4 euro after the free uk delivery

peckerhead

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd say 80% plus of the PM business was a forwarding address for free uk shipping. Very few would bother with an Irish based address.

This ^^

ELM327

FileNotFound wrote: »

All about the pricing alright - the free uk delivery is what made it - pre brexit i got Coffee from UK store - for them to post would cost 18 sterling to Ireland. PM was only 4 euro after the free uk delivery

We have amazon prime for this reason. If there's no solution found herself will be devastated, she spends way too much money on tat from amazon