Possibly stupid question on (self charging) hybrids

mordeith

Ok so I'm thinking of replacing the old A4 with a smaller car. Currently already have an i3 with Rex so a plug-in hybrid might be an issue as I only recently replace our charge unit with a new 16 amp one (bit late for future proofing now :rolleyes:). So my question is with standard hybrids (Auris, CT200h for example) if you are only commuting less than 30km one way (which is around the average you get on electric from these hybrids) would you generate enough to have the return trip on electric as well or is a case they only work on electric at slow speeds and it's the PHEVs that can run on electric at standard speeds (100km/h)

krissovo

Don’t get suckered by the “self charging scam”, you get a few miles from a standard Toyota hybrid electric drive nowhere near 30. Think the original Prius, its no different today really.

mordeith

krissovo wrote: »

Don’t get suckered by the “self charging scam”, you get a few miles from a standard Toyota hybrid electric drive nowhere near 30. Think the original Prius, its no different today really.

Ideally I'd want a phev but charging two cars with one charger could be a right pain.

KCross

mordeith wrote: »

Ideally I'd want a phev but charging two cars with one charger could be a right pain.

Since you only have a 16A charge point already why not add another 16A and your problem is solved?

adunis

Ideally you want a BEV
Hybrids should all be burned on the spot.
I'll forgive the REX
Granny charge one charge the other on the 7kW there is no problem

Calahonda52

adunis wrote: »

Ideally you want a BEV
Hybrids should all be burned on the spot.
I'll forgive the REX
Granny charge one charge the other on the 7kW there is no problem

7kW on a 16A... don't think so.
240 *16 = 3.840

mordeith

KCross wrote: »

Since you only have a 16A charge point already why not add another 16A and your problem is solved?

That does seem like the obvious solution in fairness. Would that be a messy job in that another cable would need to be run from the board or can you 'chain' another charger from the existing one.

mordeith

adunis wrote: »

Ideally you want a BEV

Yes . . . ideally.
I'd prefer if we could go down to one car altogether but not plausible at the moment.

kanuseeme

Ideally you should get what suits you.

I would add fuel to the fire, by adding people who make idiotic statements.

most phev's charge in about 2 to 3 hours @ 16 amps, granny chargers about 4 hours.

Your charger is 16 amps, What is the power cable to that charger rated for ? another 16 amp charger or a outdoor socket for the granny charger would suit if the cable can handle it.

KCross

mordeith wrote: »

That does seem like the obvious solution in fairness. Would that be a messy job in that another cable would need to be run from the board or can you 'chain' another charger from the existing one.

Depends on the cable that was used for the current one. If its rated for 32A you could just dasiy chain a new charge point but if its not you'd have to run another cable.

liamog

Given you've already got a REX so are covered for longer journeys. Maybe you are well suited to a second BEV. That way you'd get away with charging every other night. We manage two BEV's with one 32A charging socket.

The Ioniq can go 3 days without a charge, the e-Up only has about 17kWh usable so needs to be plugged in at least every other night.

adunis

Excuse my error ,3.odd kW charger then
Re idiotic comments if that's me I stand by my belief that hybrids are a total waste of reasources,buy a BEV or buy an efficient ice.

adunis

Excuse my error ,3.odd kW charger then
Re idiotic comments if that's me I stand by my belief that hybrids are a total waste of reasources,buy a BEV or buy an efficient ice.

Calahonda52

KCross wrote: »

Depends on the cable that was used for the current one. If its rated for 32A you could just dasiy chain a new charge point but if its not you'd have to run another cable.

Don't know about this unless he fits an A-B switch, as if both are on together then the breaker on the board will need to be 40A so when one is used on its own, the breaker won't do what it is designed to do

ELM327

adunis wrote: »

Excuse my error ,3.odd kW charger then
Re idiotic comments if that's me I stand by my belief that hybrids are a total waste of reasources,buy a BEV or buy an efficient ice.

I agree re plug in hybrids.
Normal hybrids are not a waste of resources. The batteries are so small and are used to capacity multiple times every drive, arguably this is a more efficient use of resources than fitting 60kWh to one car and that car only uses 15kWh a day.

Zenith74

FWIW we have two Leafs so I put in two chargers. In the end we only use the one, we just leave a 10m lead plugged into it and juggle between the cars. I might throw it in when I come home from work, then swap it over before going to bed say.

Granted we work from home sometimes and have short enough commutes (30-40km) so YMMV, but definitely do the math and see if you really need the second one...

mordeith

Thanks for all the input. I may just keep the ice until it's on its last legs. Its probably not worth much anyway and hold out for a kona or model 3 in a few years.