Boris and the supreme court, what now?

Base price

The progrogation of the UK parliament was unlawful according to the Supreme court ruling just now.

Reggie.

Base price wrote: »

The progrogation of the UK parliament was unlawful according to the Supreme court ruling just now.

The wheels coming off the wagon

whelan2

Base price wrote: »

The progrogation of the UK parliament was unlawful according to the Supreme court ruling just now.

What does that mean?

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

What does that mean?

The parliament was against a no deal Brexit and them being suspended meant that they lost thier voice. Future either holds another referendum or an extension at least

ganmo

whelan2 wrote: »

What does that mean?

borris is booked!

Danzy

It is out of Johnson's Govt. hands now and back in the hands of their Parliament.

Lime Tree Farm

Today's extraordinary Supreme Court judgment will have seismic consequences over whether the political power of the Prime Minister built up over centuries can be neutered by the courts. (Martin .Robinson - Daily Mail)


Brings to mind DOB challenge.

blue5000

Pulling a few posts from chit chat as it might deserve it's own thread.

patsy_mccabe

Britian is now ripe for an autocratic dictator to take over. Nothing else seems to be working.

ganmo

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Britian is now ripe for an autocratic dictator to take over. Nothing else seems to be working.

Britian is a dictatorship that allows the plebs to run it
The Queen could call up Corbyn to be PM or even dissolve parliament if she wanted

whelan2

ganmo wrote: »

Britian is a dictatorship that allows the plebs to run it
The Queen could call up Corbyn to be PM or even dissolve parliament if she wanted

Have visions of her sitting back eating popcorn watching the whole saga

Danzy

whelan2 wrote: »

Have visions of her sitting back eating popcorn watching the whole saga

Pint of gin in the left hand and a Corgi under the right.

Lime Tree Farm

No shoulder to cry on here.

borris and donald.jpg

mr.stonewall

Danzy wrote: »

Pint of gin in the left hand and a Corgi under the right.

Maybe a jersey calf instead of a corgi

memorystick

He will probably end up as having served as shortest PM ever that the empire had. Scumbag of the highest order.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

riffmongous

whelan2 wrote: »

Have visions of her sitting back eating popcorn watching the whole saga

Actually the opposite according to what I read on the BBC, the whole thing is a disaster for the Royals as it casts an unwelcome spotlight on what they actually do/are needed for and just how legal it is

mr.stonewall

memorystick wrote: »

He will probably end up as having served as shortest PM ever that the empire had. Scumbag of the highest order.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club

Odds are at 5/6 for Johnston to be the shortest PM and 1/2 not to be leader of Tories at the next General election. No one can write the next step

mf240

Has anybody tried turning England off and then back on again.

kevthegaff

Hel sack Cummings or moggies, use them as scapegoats. They might spin this as the peoples will delayed by parliament, the courtsand the elite.. Labour are very weak so conservatives may still get back in with the brexit party to push a hard brexit. I wouldn't rule out boris yet

Bass Reeves

What was more amazing is every one of the Supreme Court judge's ruled the progrotion illegal. This was a11-0 ruling against Johnson's act of progrotion was illegal and that he misled the Queen by his actio

Lano Lynn

could he appeal the ruling to the European Court of Justice?:rolleyes:

memorystick

Why not think outside of the box. The North voted remain as did Scotland so why not have a North/Scotland Backstop?

Say my name

Meanwhile Congress is moving to impeach Donald Trump.
Between himself and Boris it looks like finally some sense is being brought back into politics.

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

Meanwhile Congress is moving to impeach Donald Trump.
Between himself and Boris it looks like finally some sense is being brought back into politics.

Have they moved to impeach Trump on the word of an anonymous whistleblower?
Or has he provided a copy of the transcript of the conversation.

Trump seems very confident that releasing the transcript will clear him completely.

I would worry of all the things they have had cross their desks this sounds like a weak high risk option. If whatever fairytale transcript he releases does exonerate him it will only strengthen his support.

Is this a double bluff ?? Is the whistleblower a plant by Trumps team to orchestrate what in the end will look like nothing but a witch hunt and so make him the victim and gain more support. In American politics nothing is as it seems and being handed such a goose to lay the golden egg raises my suspicions.

Say my name

_Brian wrote: »

Have they moved to impeach Trump on the word of an anonymous whistleblower?
Or has he provided a copy of the transcript of the conversation.

Trump seems very confident that releasing the transcript will clear him completely.

I would worry of all the things they have had cross their desks this sounds like a weak high risk option. If whatever fairytale transcript he releases does exonerate him it will only strengthen his support.

Is this a double bluff ?? Is the whistleblower a plant by Trumps team to orchestrate what in the end will look like nothing but a witch hunt and so make him the victim and gain more support. In American politics nothing is as it seems and being handed such a goose to lay the golden egg raises my suspicions.

You're getting very complicated there Brian.

I've heard before there's enough to send Trump to jail. But it can only happen when he's not the President.

As for Boris. It looks like another referendum could be the end game.

Reggie.

Say my name wrote: »

You're getting very complicated there Brian.

I've heard before there's enough to send Trump to jail. But it can only happen when he's not the President.

As for Boris. It looks like another referendum could be the end game.

In relation to trump I think its embarrassing how much the left have gone after him. Even if they find solid evidence at a future time it might not stick due to all the other failed attempts in the past.

Also trump is extremely popular in America. My money is on him getting a second term

Panch18

Reggie. wrote: »

In relation to trump I think its embarrassing how much the left have gone after him. Even if they find solid evidence at a future time it might not stick due to all the other failed attempts in the past.

Also trump is extremely popular in America. My money is on him getting a second term

Agree totally there Reggie

If he can keep the economy going for the next year or so i think he'll be back in for a second term

_Brian

Say my name wrote: »

You're getting very complicated there Brian.

I've heard before there's enough to send Trump to jail. But it can only happen when he's not the President.

As for Boris. It looks like another referendum could be the end game.

It’s not that complicated, nor would it be the first tome a president orchestrated something to improve their profile approaching an election year.

Sending him to jail after the damage is done is useless. He’s currently a slam dunk for a second term. Bar he starts eating babies on live tv he’s going to go the whole 8 years. His disgusting style of leadership is not what the world needs, the knuckle dragging racists he brings out into public are not what the world needs.

A failed impeachment that has the appearance of a witch hunt will only strengthen his position.

_Brian

As for Borris, we’re down now to the nitty gritty of laws implemented hundreds of years ago possibly for different circumstances.

Personally I think Leo needs to grow balls. Block any extension to article 50 unless the U.K. provide absolute assurance that both the backstop and the GF agreement are guaranteed going forward.
Without an extension they are finally in a corner to either piss or get off the pot. They have passed legislation blocking a no deal, so if Leo blocks an extension they either drop Brexit or leave on Mays deal which respects the backstop and GF agreement.

If Leo is ever to demonstrate leadership, that is his chance. Alas, his subservient streak will no doubt shine through and he will again be the tea boy at the table as the big leaders talk through the important stuff.

Bass Reeves

Reggie. wrote: »

In relation to trump I think its embarrassing how much the left have gone after him. Even if they find solid evidence at a future time it might not stick due to all the other failed attempts in the past.

Also trump is extremely popular in America. My money is on him getting a second term

You could have said the same about the republicans and Clinton. These things gain a momentum of there own. At present it is only an inquiry. Trump's biggest issue is that he has sacked or a lot of his advisor's have resigned over the years. If at any stage 3-4 of these turn on him it could be an issue.

His biggest issue may be a contest for the Republican Nomination. No US president has been reelected after a contested nomination since before WWII I think. The fear for Trump would be the amount of dirt thrown from his own side and statements made to win that contest that might come back to haunt him. Remember George Bush senior and ''no new taxes''. As well a candidates in a contested nomination will attract some of Trumps ex advisors to work for them.

At the moment it is Trump's to lose it seems. But 3-4 weeks is a long time in politics not to mind 14 months.

ganmo

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You could have said the same about the republicans and Clinton. These things gain a momentum of there own. At present it is only an inquiry. Trump's biggest issue is that he has sacked or a lot of his advisor's have resigned over the years. If at any stage 3-4 of these turn on him it could be an issue.

His biggest issue may be a contest for the Republican Nomination. No US president has been reelected after a contested nomination since before WWII I think. The fear for Trump would be the amount of dirt thrown from his own side and statements made to win that contest that might come back to haunt him. Remember George Bush senior and ''no new taxes''. As well a candidates in a contested nomination will attract some of Trumps ex advisors to work for them.

At the moment it is Trump's to lose it seems. But 3-4 weeks is a long time in politics not to mind 14 months.

its impossible to say how the US election will go because the other person who'll be contesting it isn't decided upon yet

_Brian

ganmo wrote: »

its impossible to say how the US election will go because the other person who'll be contesting it isn't decided upon yet

Exactly.
Meanwhile the tangerine baby spreads his hate to an ever increasing audience. It would take an amazing opposing candidate to beat him unless he beats himself.

Bass Reeves

_Brian wrote: »

Exactly.
Meanwhile the tangerine baby spreads his hate to an ever increasing audience. It would take an amazing opposing candidate to beat him unless he beats himself.

No the most likely person to defeat Trump is himself. It is much more likely that an action that he takes will undo him rather than an opponent defeat him. That is why a contested nomination could have hidden dangers for him.

Say my name

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You could have said the same about the republicans and Clinton. These things gain a momentum of there own. At present it is only an inquiry. Trump's biggest issue is that he has sacked or a lot of his advisor's have resigned over the years. If at any stage 3-4 of these turn on him it could be an issue.

His biggest issue may be a contest for the Republican Nomination. No US president has been reelected after a contested nomination since before WWII I think. The fear for Trump would be the amount of dirt thrown from his own side and statements made to win that contest that might come back to haunt him. Remember George Bush senior and ''no new taxes''. As well a candidates in a contested nomination will attract some of Trumps ex advisors to work for them.

At the moment it is Trump's to lose it seems. But 3-4 weeks is a long time in politics not to mind 14 months.

You've left out the one's that have been sent to jail.

Paul Manafort, trumps campaign manager serving 7.5 years in prison.

Michael Cohen, trumps lawyer serving 3 years in prison.

Michael Flynn, trumps former national security advisor. Due to be sentenced 18th December.

George Papadopoulos, trumps foreign policy advisor served 14 days in prison.

Even Dutch lawyer Alex van Der Zwann got 30 days in prison for lying to investigators about conversations with a trump aide.

bogman_bass

Reggie. wrote: »

Say my name wrote: »

You're getting very complicated there Brian.

I've heard before there's enough to send Trump to jail. But it can only happen when he's not the President.

As for Boris. It looks like another referendum could be the end game.

In relation to trump I think its embarrassing how much the left have gone after him. Even if they find solid evidence at a future time it might not stick due to all the other failed attempts in the past.

Also trump is extremely popular in America. My money is on him getting a second term

You and me are at opposite ends when it comes to politics but have to agree with you.
Plenty to fairly criticise him on but the left have turned him into a bogeyman that is responsible for everything bad happening including mammy and daddy fighting and the deli girl getting your lunch order wrong. It weakens the argument.
Same happening on the right though with AOC. Seems to be the nature of politics now and it’s awful sad to see.

bogman_bass

_Brian wrote: »

As for Borris, we’re down now to the nitty gritty of laws implemented hundreds of years ago possibly for different circumstances.

Personally I think Leo needs to grow balls. Block any extension to article 50 unless the U.K. provide absolute assurance that both the backstop and the GF agreement are guaranteed going forward.
Without an extension they are finally in a corner to either piss or get off the pot. They have passed legislation blocking a no deal, so if Leo blocks an extension they either drop Brexit or leave on Mays deal which respects the backstop and GF agreement.

If Leo is ever to demonstrate leadership, that is his chance. Alas, his subservient streak will no doubt shine through and he will again be the tea boy at the table as the big leaders talk through the important stuff.

Couldn’t disagree more. This is their mess and nothing should be done to let them switch the blame.

uck51js9zml2yt

I've no sympathy for the Tories. They made him PM knowing what he was like.

They will implode.

Bass Reeves

Shane Cuddly Headache wrote: »

I've no sympathy for the Tories. They made him PM knowing what he was like.

They will implode.

They taugh that about Trump too

_Brian

Shane Cuddly Headache wrote: »

I've no sympathy for the Tories. They made him PM knowing what he was like.

They will implode.

Even if they implode I think they would be chosen over a Corbyn led Labour Party.

Bass Reeves

_Brian wrote: »

Even if they implode I think they would be chosen over a Corbyn led Labour Party.

With a divide electrode the Tories could gain a majority with 34-36% of the vote. However there are a few dangers the Brexit party may poll better than expected. In NI people may vote tactically and the UUP and SDLP could win 4-5 seats neutralizing the DUP effect. In England Independent Conservatives may retain there seats and remain Conservatives may vote Liberal especially in the South East of the country. As well tactical voting by remainer/deal voters might just swing it for the remain side. But Corbyn is not an asset to the equation

K.G.

Politics now adays is not anout convincing more people to vote for you its more about making sure the people that will vote do vote for you.you have a target market and you dont bother about everyone else.trump ,boris, sinn fein,healy raes and various independents.

_Brian

K.G. wrote: »

Politics now adays is not anout convincing more people to vote for you its more about making sure the people that will vote do vote for you.you have a target market and you dont bother about everyone else.trump ,boris, sinn fein,healy raes and various independents.

Scary easy now in the realm of very targeted online advertising based on users activity and online digital footprint.

Donegalforever

ganmo wrote: »

borris is booked!

I think there is a slate loose !

duffysfarm

I think if boris has to go for an extension then he is as good as finished so I would welcome him.looking for one.

Base price

I just received this FB link from a friend
I'm going to attach the link but I don't know if it will work cause I've never done it before.
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Base price

Well that didn't work. Here is a screenshot of the FB page

memorystick

If the Brits keep behaving like this, the old days will return. Plenty of lads angry and willing to take action.

greysides

memorystick wrote: »

If the Brits keep behaving like this, the old days will return. Plenty of lads angry and willing to take action.

Nothing, absolutely NOTHING, that could happen would justify a return to the Troubles.

Although, it may suit some to use it as an excuse. That's easily seen through.

kevthegaff

It's hard to believe after how successful the good Friday agreement was and how many lives were saved, that there is a possibility of a return to the bad old days. The omagh bombing wasn't so long ago, this should be the go biggest carrot on both sides to strike a deal