Minoans in Ireland.

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I believe a Minoan double headed axe was found in Cornwall which they probably dropped while they were there smelting copper or tin.

I'm now going to release to the world a few theories.

The Minoans and beaker people were one and the same.
They were very accomplished seafarers who travelled throughout the Mediterranean and along the seaboard of western Europe.
They travelled for copper and tin to make bronze.
They had dark hair and maybe slightly tanned skin like modern Greeks.
They believed in an afterlife and buried their dead with goods for the next life.
They were here in Ireland and mining for copper and evidence (a beaker) was found at Ross island, killarney.
They were also mining in Connemara and their modern day relatives are still here in the area. E.g. Grainne Seoige.
They were up in Scotland too and DNA evidence was obtained lately.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-46289045

They were mad into their cattle and brought the black cattle to Spain and Portugal from Crete (Anatolian black cattle). They also built their ship's with Iberian timber.
They then brought the black cattle with them in their ships and the relations today are the Kerry cattle in Kerry and the Aberdeen Angus in Scotland.

So the question is has there been any Minoan evidence proper found in Ireland like across the water in Cornwall from these sea people?



(Oh and the Aes Dana in Ireland were descendants of these people.) :pac:

Right let the mocking begin..:D

Ipso

Grainne Seoige????

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Ipso wrote: »

Grainne Seoige????

He highlighted footage of a pub in Galway and a cafe in Bermeo, and there was very little difference in how the locals looked!

https://thewicklowstreetclinic.ie/skin-bio-diversity/

Ipso

Say my name wrote: »

https://thewicklowstreetclinic.ie/skin-bio-diversity/

The Basque idea was debunked shortly after the show aired.

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Ipso wrote: »

The Basque idea was debunked shortly after the show aired.

But we're all related to Anatolian farmers?
https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/new-study-claims-that-irishmen-descended-from-turkish-farmers-83217437-237788351

I take it you see I don't take much seriously since I guess it's near impossible to be sure of these things.

So to further the hypothesis. Could the Turkish farmers have been the originators of the Minoans (sea people) and hence onward by sea to western Europe.

I guess another way of checking a link would be to genetically test the Kerry cow and compare to the Anatolian black cow breed. It would be a fairly surer way to see if it was directly or reasonable closely imported from there.

Anyways don't mind me. If anyone comes up with Rb1's or whatever into the thread it'd be cool.

Ipso

But Turkish farmers had to come from somewhere, too. I’d nuke from orbit any output from Irish central.
The story of Ireland is the same as that of the rest of Europe. It’s interesting enough without giving a need to invoke exotic outsiders.
https://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2013/12/ancient-human-genomes-suggest-three.html?m=0

Regarding Basques and R1b, when DNA testing was in it's early stages it was discovered that there was a mutation on the Y Chromosome (a tiny tiny part of the Y Chromosome which in itself is only about 2% of the entire genome, and women don't carry it) that was found in very high level sin Wales, Scotland, Ireland and particularly the Basque region of Spain.
At first this mutation was estimated to have been about 15,000 years old or so and there were a lot of assumptions made: high frequency in modern population in an area that may have been habitable during the ice age equals place of origin.
As more testing was done, technology improved it was discovered that the mutation was not as old as once thought and older subgroups were found further East with younger ones found in the West.
The R1b-M269 haplogroup which dominates Western Europe got broke into two groups which are around the same age (4,500 to 5,500 years old): P312 and U106. U106 correlates very well in Germanic areas and P312 with areas associated with Celt Italic languages (and these groups have been found in DNA samples from the Bronze Age, they don't appear in Western Europe before that), P312 is then split into three groups: U152 (mainly found in Central Europe, Alps/Italy and even in Bashkirs), DF27 is found mainly in Iberia and L21 is found in the Isles. These groups are first cousins so to speak and anyone carrying them shares common ancestry and one can not have come from the other, the entry point into Western Europe looks like the Pontic Caspian steppe and was spread by the Yamnaya group initially and then further west by the bell beakers, the numbers grew rapidly as the society seemed to be male dominated and patriarchal which is what we see later in the Gaelic era.
The fairies (Aess Dana/Tuatha de Dannan) in the book of invasions were just the celtic gods personified (with the Fomor being a darker counterpoint), the only group of the seven mentioned in the book of invasions that has any historical basis is the Fir Bolg who seemed liked to the group called the Laighin, which gave Leinster it's name.

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I suppose it could be in keeping with the thread title and it's definitely archaeology.

Tin ingots smelted in the bronze age found off the coast of Israel originated from Cornwall and Devon.

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-enigma-bronze-age-tin.html

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0218326

How many people's minds are blown now.. :pac:

Das Reich

Turkish farmers? Turkic people arrived in Anatolia not so long ago from Central Asia.

Ipso

Das Reich wrote: »

Turkish farmers? Turkic people arrived in Anatolia not so long ago from Central Asia.

The problem with back projecting names of modern countries into the past. Anatolian would be a better term, but those farmers would have been descended from people from where farming started to spread Westwards.

Ipso

Say my name wrote: »

I suppose it could be in keeping with the thread title and it's definitely archaeology.

Tin ingots smelted in the bronze age found off the coast of Israel originated from Cornwall and Devon.

https://phys.org/news/2019-09-enigma-bronze-age-tin.html

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0218326

How many people's minds are blown now.. :pac:

It wasn’t unusual for high status items to move vast distances.
http://irisharchaeology.ie/2014/05/a-barbary-ape-skull-from-navan-fort-co-armagh/

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Ipso wrote: »

It wasn’t unusual for high status items to move vast distances.
http://irisharchaeology.ie/2014/05/a-barbary-ape-skull-from-navan-fort-co-armagh/

The thing I find most fascinating is the fact that the Minoans or eastern Mediterranean peoples had ships that could carry 20 tons in weight at the time and historians still look for the overland route before thinking about sea routes.
It's like historians are completely disregarding the archaeological evidence that is appearing in case it offends their Viking ancestors.

https://www.haaretz.com/archaeology/.premium.MAGAZINE-oldest-shipwreck-in-world-may-have-been-carrying-copper-to-minoans-1.7128484

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