Gen 1.5 Leaf

tom_tarbucket

What kind of real world range could one expect from a gen 1.5 leaf? 132 or 141.

I know it depends on a lot of factors, but roughly.

Round Cable

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

What kind of real world range could one expect from a gen 1.5 leaf? 132 or 141.

I know it depends on a lot of factors, but roughly.

My 142 Leaf gets 110km in winter, 140km in summer. My route to work has no motorway driving, and about 1/2 the route is dual carriageway driving at about 90km/h as indicated on the car's speedometer, and the rest of relatively slow 60km/h driving.

Padraig Mor

In my experience, worst case scenario (100% to 10% - hey, I don't take risks!) 80 - 90 km: motorway at high speed, winter, bad weather.
Best case 150km: Eco, back road, good weather.

tom_tarbucket

Padraig Mor wrote: »

In my experience, worst case scenario (100% to 10% - hey, I don't take risks!) 80 - 90 km: motorway at high speed, winter, bad weather.
Best case 150km: Eco, back road, good weather.

Decent in fairness. What year is yours? What is the battery health like?

Padraig Mor

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Decent in fairness. What year is yours? What is the battery health like?

I don't have it any more - changed to a gen 2 last year. At that stage it was three years old and had 63k on the clock. Battery about 88% IIRC although TBH I hadn't noticed the real life range dropping.

tom_tarbucket

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I don't have it any more - changed to a gen 2 last year. At that stage it was three years old and had 63k on the clock. Battery about 88% IIRC although TBH I hadn't noticed the real life range dropping.

That’s good to hear. Thanks for info.

tom_tarbucket

I know on the gen 1, people refer to the KM range indicated on the dash as the ‘guess o meter’. On a gen 1, I seen a car fully charged with a range of 130km (eco not pressed). Then drive it a km or 2 and it all of a sudden drops down to a range of 85km.

In the gen 1.5, is the range indicated what you will get or is it still way off?

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I know on the gen 1, people refer to the KM range indicated on the dash as the ‘guess o meter’. On a gen 1, I seen a car fully charged with a range of 130km (eco not pressed). Then drive it a km or 2 and it all of a sudden drops down to a range of 85km.

In the gen 1.5, is the range indicated what you will get or is it still way off?

the Gen 1.5 is still a GOM.
It depends on the driving tbh.

I had a 141 SVE with 73k km on the clock.
Battery Health was at 87% and I would consistently get 1km per 1% on the motorway travelling at 100 kmph.

tom_tarbucket

kceire wrote: »

the Gen 1.5 is still a GOM.
It depends on the driving tbh.

I had a 141 SVE with 73k km on the clock.
Battery Health was at 87% and I would consistently get 1km per 1% on the motorway travelling at 100 kmph.

Noted.

Was this 1km per 1% in totally ideal conditions?

At least you have the battery % indicator on the dash.......actually how does this compare with leafspy? Are the readings the same ?

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Noted.

Was this 1km per 1% in totally ideal conditions?

Normal conditions, wind, some rain, nothing extreme.

tom_tarbucket

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Noted.

Was this 1km per 1% in totally ideal conditions?

At least you have the battery % indicator on the dash.......actually how does this compare with leafspy? Are the readings the same ?

How does the dash battery % compare with leaf spy? Another guess job or accurate.

olearydc

I have a 131 Tekna

if not on Motorway, get around 130km
if on Motorway and speed at 100-110 indicated, I get around 100Km
like someone mentioned above, I use percentage now as the gauge with 1km per 1%, works out easier to deal with

tom_tarbucket

olearydc wrote: »

I have a 131 Tekna

if not on Motorway, get around 130km
if on Motorway and speed at 100-110 indicated, I get around 100Km
like someone mentioned above, I use percentage now as the gauge with 1km per 1%, works out easier to deal with

Thanks. How does Turning on ac/heating/cold day affect above figures?

Is yours a gen 1.5?

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

How does the dash battery % compare with leaf spy? Another guess job or accurate.

Never compared the 2 to be honest.

tom_tarbucket

Would there be much of a difference between

i) 2011 leaf with 10 bars
I) 2013 gen 1.5 leaf with 11 bars

Would it be worth the extra price to go for the gen 1.5?
How much extra range could I expect?

olearydc

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Thanks. How does Turning on ac/heating/cold day affect above figures?

Is yours a gen 1.5?

Hi Tom

yes, its a 1.5 (Actully what is the difference between Gen1.5 and Gen 2 if any, would anyone know)

Had it over 2 years now and must admit I drive it like a normal car so use the heat/AC if needed in town

On the Motorway, I drive it so its doing approx 1% per KM and adjust speed accordingly, faster or slower if needed. Its got heated seats and steering wheel so dont need to use heater too much if I need to push the KM's out

There is a drop in range which the GOM reports if you put on teh heater but TBH, I dont notice it too much

Orebro

Allowing 1% per 1Km us a good rule of thumb to use with the Leaf24 1.5 and very useful if you're going on journeys you normally don't do.

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Would there be much of a difference between

i) 2011 leaf with 10 bars
I) 2013 gen 1.5 leaf with 11 bars

Would it be worth the extra price to go for the gen 1.5?
How much extra range could I expect?

Yes big difference in real world range.

olearydc wrote: »

Hi Tom

yes, its a 1.5 (Actully what is the difference between Gen1.5 and Gen 2 if any, would anyone know)

Had it over 2 years now and must admit I drive it like a normal car so use the heat/AC if needed in town

On the Motorway, I drive it so its doing approx 1% per KM and adjust speed accordingly, faster or slower if needed. Its got heated seats and steering wheel so dont need to use heater too much if I need to push the KM's out

There is a drop in range which the GOM reports if you put on teh heater but TBH, I dont notice it too much

Gen 1 is the 2011 to let 2013
Gen 1.5 is the slight refresh in let 2013 to 2017.
Gen 2 is the new Leaf 40 kWh version.

tom_tarbucket

kceire wrote: »

Yes big difference in real world range.

What would we be talking about here?
90 km V 120km

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

What would we be talking about here?
90 km V 120km

Yeah, roughly

hawkeye_bmr

Managed 121km on Friday, didn't want to risk turtle mode coming on at end of journey so quick 5 min rapid charge, but if I had to have continued on I would of had 3% remaining. App shows 17.7kWh consumption, Dundalk to Longford on N52, so 90 - 100kmph for majority of it, but not much chance for any regen..

tom_tarbucket

hawkeye_bmr wrote: »

Managed 121km on Friday, didn't want to risk turtle mode coming on at end of journey so quick 5 min rapid charge, but if I had to have continued on I would of had 3% remaining. App shows 17.7kWh consumption, Dundalk to Longford on N52, so 90 - 100kmph for majority of it, but not much chance for any regen..

What year car do you have? How is battery health?

Stealthirl

142 with 92/94% SOH over the last year. Best i ever got was 157 and 154km 2 weeks ago, worst was 81 last Jan in snow and - temps and 66km after a track outing :pac:

Generally i would say 130 summer and 100km winter if you don't mind a bita cold and stay under 100kph.

As has been said the rule of thumb i use is 1 = 1km mostly it's better but can be less if your running alot of heat constantly,drive over 100kph or have a heavy foot.

At 105kph in car (99 GPS) i get just about 6.8km/kWh on the M11 trip i regularly do, if i do that at an indicated 130kph (119GPS) id get 3.7km/kWh

hawkeye_bmr

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

What year car do you have? How is battery health?

141 leaf, 85.5% SOH, 108k km. SOH was 88% with 74k on it last May.

That 12th bar is just hanging on in there...SOH should increase now with colder weather, was up as far as 92%

tom_tarbucket

Or maybe another way to ask.
What car would have the best range today?

2011 with 50,000 KM
2013 (gen 1.5) with 120,000 KM

tom_tarbucket

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Or maybe another way to ask.
What car would have the best range today?

2011 with 50,000 KM
2013 (gen 1.5) with 120,000 KM

The one with better SOH but if the same SOH the newer car is a bit more efficient.

tom_tarbucket

Let’s say the route to work had mostly motorway driving. What sort of range would you get with this driving on a 132 or 141 Leaf (gen 1.5)?

hawkeye_bmr

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Let’s say the route to work had mostly motorway driving. What sort of range would you get with this driving on a 132 or 141 Leaf (gen 1.5)?

Read post #2 and post #8.





Already answered.

creedp

Orebro wrote: »

Allowing 1% per 1Km us a good rule of thumb to use with the Leaf24 1.5 and very useful if you're going on journeys you normally don't do.

I use this rule of thumb with an L30 2016 103k km to build in a safety net on longer journeys especially on routes involving elevation changes which significantly impact on range. Having said that it is only a rule of thumb and while it might be reasonably foolproof over the entire range (i.e. going from 100% to 5% should very safely give you approx. 100kms) it shouldn't be relied upon for when you have say 40% SOC left because in my experience the 50% to 0% SOC yields less range than 100% to 50%.

I did a journey a couple of days back of 74kms each way. After the opening leg I had 52% SOC left. On the return leg I stopped for a 20% top up so had 42% SOC (GOM of 72) with 37kms left to travel. The dreaded '- -' SOC popped up with about 5kms left to travel. So essentially per the displayed SOC I used 48% SOC on the outward leg and 72% on the return leg.

tom_tarbucket

creedp wrote: »

I use this rule of thumb with an L30 2016 103k km to build in a safety net on longer journeys especially on routes involving elevation changes which significantly impact on range. Having said that it is only a rule of thumb and while it might be reasonably foolproof over the entire range (i.e. going from 100% to 5% should very safely give you approx. 100kms) it shouldn't be relied upon for when you have say 40% SOC left because in my experience the 50% to 0% SOC yields less range than 100% to 50%.

I did a journey a couple of days back of 74kms each way. After the opening leg I had 52% SOC left. On the return leg I stopped for a 20% top up so had 42% SOC (GOM of 72) with 37kms left to travel. The dreaded '- -' SOC popped up with about 5kms left to travel. So essentially per the displayed SOC I used 48% SOC on the outward leg and 72% on the return leg.

great input. thanks.
I love the idea of electric car and I like how they drive. But I dunno, the idea of constantly thinking about range is a bit annoying and you have a stronger L30. The max I can afford is 2013 or 141 L24 so even more worrying about battery etc and will get worse as time goes by.

I just wish I had the extra money to get a newer one, maybe in my situation - im as well off to buy a hybrid.

creedp

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

great input. thanks.
I love the idea of electric car and I like how they drive. But I dunno, the idea of constantly thinking about range is a bit annoying and you have a stronger L30. The max I can afford is 2013 or 141 L24 so even more worrying about battery etc and will get worse as time goes by.

I just wish I had the extra money to get a newer one, maybe in my situation - im as well off to buy a hybrid.

I'm constantly struggling with the same dilemma. While the Leaf meets many of my needs, increasingly I'm leaving it at home in favour of the s-max when journeys exceed its range. This is especially so if carrying passengers because while I can justify to myself to time take to charge mid-route many passenger would simply look at me aghast if I mention I have to stop off for 20 - 30 minutes to charge. This is even more acute when the route being take doesn't incorporate a FCP as was the case for journey I mentioned above which required a 40 minutes stop to gain 20% SOC at an ecars SCP. Needless to say I bought a newspaper for my passenger who was constantly checking her watch for the duration.

tom_tarbucket

creedp wrote: »

I'm constantly struggling with the same dilemma. While the Leaf meets many of my needs, increasingly I'm leaving it at home in favour of the s-max when journeys exceed its range. This is especially so if carrying passengers because while I can justify to myself to time take to charge mid-route many passenger would simply look at me aghast if I mention I have to stop off for 20 - 30 minutes to charge. This is even more acute when the route being take doesn't incorporate a FCP as was the case for journey I mentioned above which required a 40 minutes stop to gain 20% SOC at an ecars SCP. Needless to say I bought a newspaper for my passenger who was constantly checking her watch for the duration.

EXACTLY
ok, so you even own a leaf and are forced to choose the other car a bit more than what you would like due to the battery limitations.

leaf meets a good but of my needs too, it just limits your freedom, you cant just get in and drive a 100 miles without planning it out and possibly taking hours more. or if you had a sick child etc and only the leaf, you are kinda shagged, if not fully charged and ready

If I could afford a newer one with a range of 150km plus, would not be too bad, but when I cant afford this, maybe im as well with a hybrid.

creedp

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

EXACTLY
ok, so you even own a leaf and are forced to choose the other car a bit more than what you would like due to the battery limitations.

leaf meets a good but of my needs too, it just limits your freedom, you cant just get in and drive a 100 miles without planning it out and possibly taking hours more. or if you had a sick child etc and only the leaf, you are kinda shagged, if not fully charged and ready

If I could afford a newer one with a range of 150km plus, would not be too bad, but when I cant afford this, maybe im as well with a hybrid.

Everyone circumstances are different and it has been said to me on many occasions in the past "if an EV doesn't suit your needs don't get one". I find that if you have an EV and an ICE/Hybrid you have the best of both worlds as you can use whichever car suits your particular journey.
Personally, I could not afford the EV which would meet the majority of my needs at present (a Model X) so in the meantime I will continue to run a Leaf plus an ever ageing S-Max which, although 12 years old with 170k miles up, can carry 6 passengers and luggage and meet all my range requirements as well now as it could do when brand new.

I'm not anti-EV and will continue to drive my Leaf when I can but unless you are prepared to live with the main limitation of older EV's or can afford the current generation of longer range EVs IMO you are better off with a Hybrid / PHEV for a little while yet.

tom_tarbucket

creedp wrote: »

Everyone circumstances are different and it has been said to me on many occasions in the past "if an EV doesn't suit your needs don't get one". I find that if you have an EV and an ICE/Hybrid you have the best of both worlds as you can use whichever car suits your particular journey.
Personally, I could not afford the EV which would meet the majority of my needs at present (a Model X) so in the meantime I will continue to run a Leaf plus an ever ageing S-Max which, although 12 years old with 170k miles up, can carry 6 passengers and luggage and meet all my range requirements as well now as it could do when brand new.

I'm not anti-EV and will continue to drive my Leaf when I can but unless you are prepared to live with the main limitation of older EV's or can afford the current generation of longer range EVs IMO you are better off with a Hybrid / PHEV for a little while yet.

Thanks.

Yeah I think for a pure convenience factor, I may just go hybrid. Phev too is beyond my budget.

I will definitely go EV but only when I have enough money to buy a newer one where I am not so worried about range.

unkel

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Phev too is beyond my budget.

There are PHEVs for less than the price of a 132 Leaf.

tom_tarbucket

unkel wrote: »

There are PHEVs for less than the price of a 132 Leaf.

Oh ok. Which ones?

Only one I know is the outlander.

unkel

Volt / Ampera starts at about £7k, which is a lot of PHEV for your money. Long EV range (I think about 50km) and the battery will last forever as only 10kWh out of its 16kWh are available. Get the €600 home charger subsidy, if you do your homework you can install a charger for that budget - so free. Only 4 seats though, so if you have 3 kids, the wife would have to travel in the boot :pac:

tom_tarbucket

unkel wrote: »

Volt / Ampera starts at about £7k, which is a lot of PHEV for your money. Long EV range (I think about 50km) and the battery will last forever as only 10kWh out of its 16kWh are available. Get the €600 home charger subsidy, if you do your homework you can install a charger for that budget - so free. Only 4 seats though, so if you have 3 kids, the wife would have to travel in the boot :pac:

Are there many of these for sale in Ireland at all ?

Never noticed them before - who is the manafacturer?

Quick search in done deal produces zero results.

unkel

Not at those prices. The cars were never sold here new. Bring one in from the UK, pay a few hundred quid VRT, drive it around here for a year or two and sell it for what you paid for it. Almost free motoring, it's great craic

Vauxhall (Opel) Ampera and Chevrolet Volt are all the same car.

tom_tarbucket

unkel wrote: »

Not at those prices. The cars were never sold here new. Bring one in from the UK, pay a few hundred quid VRT, drive it around here for a year or two and sell it for what you paid for it. Almost free motoring, it's great craic

Vauxhall (Opel) Ampera and Chevrolet Volt are all the same car.

Might just go for a Prius.

unkel

Why would you? They are overpriced and have none of the benefits that a PHEV or a BEV has.

tom_tarbucket

unkel wrote: »

Why would you? They are overpriced and have none of the benefits that a PHEV or a BEV has.

Can’t really afford a phev, well one on sale in Ireland anyway.

The hybrid just gives peace of mind.....just get in and drive it and not have to always worry about range and charging and stopping and journeys taking potentially hours longer etc.

unkel

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Can’t really afford a phev

I thought your budget would stretch to €9k, enough for a 1.5 gen Leaf BEV or an Ampera / Bolt PHEV?

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

The hybrid just gives peace of mind.....just get in and drive it and not have to always worry about range and charging and stopping and journeys taking potentially hours longer etc.

You have the exact same peace of mind with any PHEV. And you will save quite a bit of money on fuel (but not as much as you would save with a BEV)

tom_tarbucket

unkel wrote: »

I thought your budget would stretch to €9k, enough for a 1.5 gen Leaf BEV or an Ampera / Bolt PHEV?



You have the exact same peace of mind with any PHEV. And you will save quite a bit of money on fuel (but not as much as you would save with a BEV)

But sure there are ZERO amperas or bolts for sale in Ireland. I don’t have the time for the uk thing.

With an early gen 1.5 leaf for 9k, the range is in all honesty probably going to be crap.

unkel

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I don’t have the time for the uk thing.

There are 168 hours in one week. It would take you maybe 24 hours (worst case scenario) to bring in a car from the UK. Of course you have the time. Work and commute 60 hours, sleep 40 hours and after your import you still have well over 40 hours leisure time that week. Now whether or not it is worth your time is another question. Some people are so wealthy that spending 24 hours of their time (most of which sleeping) to bring in a car from the UK, saving them €2k, isn't worth their while.

You sure are not one of those people, dude.

tom_tarbucket

unkel wrote: »

There are 168 hours in one week. It would take you maybe 24 hours (worst case scenario) to bring in a car from the UK. Of course you have the time. Work and commute 60 hours, sleep 40 hours and after your import you still have well over 40 hours leisure time that week. Now whether or not it is worth your time is another question. Some people are so wealthy that spending 24 hours of their time (most of which sleeping) to bring in a car from the UK, saving them €2k, isn't worth their while.

You sure are not one of those people, dude.

Whatever you think is or isn’t worth my time is you own opinion. It’s just not worth the hassle.

I just want to buy a car that’s available for sale in Ireland. If there are literally zero of them for sale here, what support am I going to have for fixing them if issues come up etc.

Gumbo

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

Whatever you think is or isn’t worth my time is you own opinion. It’s just not worth the hassle.

I just want to buy a car that’s available for sale in Ireland. If there are literally zero of them for sale here, what support am I going to have for fixing them if issues come up etc.

To be honest, it sounds like you don’t want to buy at all.

As for trouble, we have many Nissan, opel and other dealers in this country that warranty transfers to if any left.

If the hassle is not worth the saving then by all means that’s your right.
But to give you an idea, I bought my first EV in the UK. Drove it for 2 years. Then sold it for 1100 more. It is most definitely worth the hassle in my opinion.

tom_tarbucket

kceire wrote: »

To be honest, it sounds like you don’t want to buy at all.

As for trouble, we have many Nissan, opel and other dealers in this country that warranty transfers to if any left.

If the hassle is not worth the saving then by all means that’s your right.
But to give you an idea, I bought my first EV in the UK. Drove it for 2 years. Then sold it for 1100 more. It is most definitely worth the hassle in my opinion.

Just had a quick look there on autotrader. In the whole of the UK:

only 2 x Chevy volts for sale
only 22 x Vauxhall Amperas (only 5 of these fit my budget)

Pity they don't come with 5 seats .

What are these like for service and parts in Ireland?
Any Insurance issues?

KCross

tom_tarbucket wrote: »

I love the idea of electric car and I like how they drive. But I dunno, the idea of constantly thinking about range is a bit annoying and you have a stronger L30. The max I can afford is 2013 or 141 L24 so even more worrying about battery etc and will get worse as time goes by.

I just wish I had the extra money to get a newer one, maybe in my situation - im as well off to buy a hybrid.

You're clearly not ready for the jump to EV Tom.... get a hybrid and wait out the BEV revolution for a few more years.