1.8 Civic cheaper than 1.3?

the deftone

Im looking to buy a honda civic, I only have around 2 or 3k so nothing new, around 10 year old. But i notice the 1.8s are cheaper and easier to find than the 1.3s. Why would this be?

Thanks for any info

Atlantic Dawn

Motor tax.

zohaibjabbar

mainly for tax reason and maybe insurance.
I have got 1.8 l Civic, Saloon version and tax is 570. I say this puts many people off.
Other than tax, 1.8 version is bullet proof. have had it for 2 years now and not a days trouble.

..Brian..

I bought a 1.4 mk8 back in 2011 and it's still going strong to this day. Fantastic value car. Its branded 1.4 but only 1339cc,taxed as a 1.4 though, 380 a year or something.

colm_mcm

the deftone wrote: »

Im looking to buy a honda civic, I only have around 2 or 3k so nothing new, around 10 year old. But i notice the 1.8s are cheaper and easier to find than the 1.3s. Why would this be?

Thanks for any info

Cheeky plug - i have a nice 2007 1.8 ES hatch coming up for sale. I’ve had it since 2012.
Just getting it NCTd retested next week. Will be asking €1450.



Tax is cheaper on the 1.3 so they go for more money. They’re a dead duck though and the 1.8 is plenty economical.
1.8s on post 08 emissions tax go for big money too mainly because they’re so rare and of course the tax is cheaper than pre 2008.

Andrewf20

1.8 is an nice engine. I know a guy with a 1.3 who complains its dog slow. They have a timing chain also instead of a belt.

Id certainly push to get the 1.8. Real world mpgs are probably not that different.

colm_mcm

I do a mixture of city and dual carriageway driving and was getting 39mpg on average. Have got 57mpg on a long run by driving very sensible but to be honest you’d never drive like this in reality.
If it wasn’t for the stop start city driving it would have been doing approx 45mpg.

The 1.8 engine is a bit of an oddball setup, it’s SOHC but also 16v. I don’t know if many non Honda engines with this setup, I know Triumph had it in the Dolomite years ago.

They’re a really quirky car under the skin too, the fuel tank is under the front seats which frees up loads of space in the back, so the floor space extends under the back seats. When you fold the back seats they fall into this floor space so you get loads of height with the seats down. The boot is the same story, it’s really deep.

They put the heater matrix behind the gear lever too, so all the space the heater would usually take up behind the glovebox is freed up for glovebox space. I’ve never seen a car with a bigger glovebox.

Then you have the controls which look bonkers if you haven’t seen them before. In reality they’re an ergonomic masterpiece.

They’re not without their drawbacks though - they’re not as quiet as a Golf and the rear doors are a bit small. All in all they’re an amazing antithesis to the other cars in this class which are mostly poorly executed Golf chasers

Seweryn

colm_mcm wrote: »

The 1.8 engine is a bit of an oddball setup, it’s SOHC but also 16v. I don’t know if many non Honda engines with this setup, I know Triumph had it in the Dolomite years ago.

Years ago I had the 6th generation Civic, 1997, 1.5 VTi and it was 16V SOHC engine. 130 hp, 3-stage VTEC and was very efficient with lean burn mode.

the deftone

Thanks for all the info guys, picking up a 1.8 version soon hopefully!

earlytobed

I'm looking at 1.8 Civics at the moment and they are rare enough. There are a couple of automatic saloon versions on Done Deal.
I've never had an automatic before.
The question I have is what is the gearbox like?
like this one :https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/honda-civic-saloon-1-8-automatic-2010-i-vetec/22280595

colm_mcm

I wouldn’t, but Toyotafanboi did and said it was grand. They’re an automated manual. Saloon has a regular autobox which I’d recommend you try.

TooObvious

Try to avoid the i-shift auto in the hatchback. It is relatively OK to drive but can be jerky in the lower gears and reversing can be a tentative affair as you wait for the auto clutch to engage. That said, the time i had mine i grew to love it, tax on my 1.8 I-shift was €390 per annum. I'd happily go back to another Civic.

Reversal

Are the auto boxes in the saloons better?

colm_mcm

Reversal wrote: »

Are the auto boxes in the saloons better?

It’s a conventional torque converter. It has less gears and isn’t as efficient but it’s always better to have a normal box than one of these jobs

damon5

Andrewf20 wrote: »

1.8 is an nice engine. I know a guy with a 1.3 who complains its dog slow. They have a timing chain also instead of a belt.

Id certainly push to get the 1.8. Real world mpgs are probably not that different.

The complaint of the 1.3 being dog slow i assume is refering to the IDSL engine and not the IVTEC,still on the prowl myself looking for a 1.8 around 2010 civic but as was previously mentioned here the 1.8s are very few and far between.With that being the case then looking at the bigger market out there of 1.4,s and especially the IVTEC engine over IDSL would surely have that extra power that i would be looking for for the likes of a quick overtake ..

colm_mcm

Both the 1.4 i-DSI and 1.4 i-VTEC are dog slow.

damon5

colm_mcm wrote: »

Both the 1.4 i-DSI and 1.4 i-VTEC are dog slow.

Back to 1.8s so

colm_mcm

Or diesels.

damon5

colm_mcm wrote: »

Or diesels.

Plenty of those alright but only drive once or twice a week short journeys,dont diesels give trouble if lying up and not being used?Also with all the diesel emissions dilemma,s going on and many saying resale values being drasticly effected...

colm_mcm

They don’t have a DPF so not too bad but really petrol would suit your driving better.

damon5

The search continues so

David6330

I have the 1.8 saloon version with manual gearbox. Very happy with it.

I can get 5.5l/km or better on long runs and avg around 6l/km or so for everything else.

damon5

Think i,ll have to broaden my horizon if the search keeps going at this rate,really like the style of the civic hatchback though so fingers crossed......

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

Cheeky plug - i have a nice 2007 1.8 ES hatch coming up for sale. I’ve had it since 2012.
Just getting it NCTd retested next week. Will be asking €1450.

Uhh that's cheap now for €1450. Looks like a really nice car. You had it for a good while so if it was since 2012. Good luck with the sale.

I've had mine since March 2013 (09 Civic Diesel) and it's still going strong.
Now at 275k kms. Only issue was wheel bearing which went at around 150k, and now aircon went (leak somewhere in the condenser).
Car was originally from UK probably used as company car there. I bought it in CarGiant in 2013, used in Ireland for 5.5 years, and by the end of last year I moved to Poland and took it with me. Now I'm using it for daily 100km commute to work each way (200km in total), and it's running perfect for me.
I can hardly imagine better car that size than a civic.

colm_mcm

I sold it yesterday.

Audioslaven

CiniO wrote: »

Uhh that's cheap now for €1450. Looks like a really nice car. You had it for a good while so if it was since 2012. Good luck with the sale.

I've had mine since March 2013 (09 Civic Diesel) and it's still going strong.
Now at 275k kms. Only issue was wheel bearing which went at around 150k, and now aircon went (leak somewhere in the condenser).
Car was originally from UK probably used as company car there. I bought it in CarGiant in 2013, used in Ireland for 5.5 years, and by the end of last year I moved to Poland and took it with me. Now I'm using it for daily 100km commute to work each way (200km in total), and it's running perfect for me.
I can hardly imagine better car that size than a civic.

I have the 9th gen and it has been reliable for me. They just are great cars.

damon5

the deftone wrote: »

Thanks for all the info guys, picking up a 1.8 version soon hopefully!

Any update info as to how you got on

the deftone

damon5 wrote: »

Any update info as to how you got on

Not yet im afraid, I ended up deciding on a 1.4. I know everyone says they are slow but for insurance and tax reasons it makes more sense for me to get the 1.4

Im on a tight budget of 3k so as you can imagine its been hard to find a nice civic with reasonable mileage for that money.

The search continues.

damon5

Roughly in the same boat as yourself and are coming across a stack of three and five door 2.2 diesel engine honda civics,colm mcm had mentioned that they dont have a DPM.With that in mind i was wondering in my case doing very low milage and coming down to the wire in a few months could that realisticly be an option ?
Good luck on your search ...

CiniO

damon5 wrote: »

Roughly in the same boat as yourself and are coming across a stack of three and five door 2.2 diesel engine honda civics,colm mcm had mentioned that they dont have a DPM.With that in mind i was wondering in my case doing very low milage and coming down to the wire in a few months could that realisticly be an option ?
Good luck on your search ...

Lack of DPF means there's no need for regular longer distance travel to have your engine run into DPF cleaning/burning mode which in many cases can't be achieved in city driving.

However have in mind, that 2.2 diesel needs time to warm up. It's at least 10km journey for the coolant temperature to reach normal level during the winter. And before your engine oil is fully hot, it might take 20km. Just worth remembering that before your engine is warmed up, it is far less economical on fuel.

Also driving mostly in city traffic especially with light foot might cause excessive soot gather in intake manifold, and eventually EGR valve to fail.

If you're planning on buying 2.2 i-CTDI I would recommend your driving style to include some pedal to the metal episodes, as well as remembering that your fuel economy won't be good in short distance driving.

damon5

CiniO wrote: »

Lack of DPF means there's no need for regular longer distance travel to have your engine run into DPF cleaning/burning mode which in many cases can't be achieved in city driving.

However have in mind, that 2.2 diesel needs time to warm up. It's at least 10km journey for the coolant temperature to reach normal level during the winter. And before your engine oil is fully hot, it might take 20km. Just worth remembering that before your engine is warmed up, it is far less economical on fuel.

Also driving mostly in city traffic especially with light foot might cause excessive soot gather in intake manifold, and eventually EGR valve to fail.

If you're planning on buying 2.2 i-CTDI I would recommend your driving style to include some pedal to the metal episodes, as well as remembering that your fuel economy won't be good in short distance driving.

Cheers for the informative reply and so making it easy to understand,looks like i,m back to the drawing board so,only time will tell ....

pajosjunkbox

Hi Deftones,

I've been following the thread as I have 1.8 2006 Civic hatchback the last 4 years and love it. My brother in law in Kerry rang me today to say he just bought a 7 seater in Belfast for his wife which means she is selling her Civic. Its a 2007 1.4 black hatchback. I know it had very low milage when they bought it 3 years ago from a garage in Waterford.
Like most civics it has been ultra reliable for them.
They have a family member who works in a Ford garage and he is going to sell it to a small time trader. If your interested I could pass on their details. No worries if not. Just said I'd give you a heads up on a genuine car.