Failed test

minz34

I failed my test recently in Tallaght and was told afterwards by the instructor that I got 2 G3's.

The 1st was for failing to get into a righthand turning lane quickly enough...now I suppose I'll just have to forgo the mirror checks and just veer hard right into the lane (I just hope there is no one else in the lane), the actual wording used when I raised a complaint about fraudulent behaviour by the tester was "incurred for position turning right from the incorrect lane...

Anyway I also got a G3 for " failed to comply with a red light when turning right from an incorrect lane" I can't understand what this means...Is he suggesting that I broke the red light in the same incident? Which I did not (I didn't break any red/orange lights at all) or he may be trying to say it happened at a different time (but again I did not break any lights).

There was a lights issue alright and it was at ones where the car in front didn't move off until they had turned orange (we would all have beeped the f outta him but as I was in a test I didn't want that against me so I just rolled up to the lights and stopped) anyway after realising the other lights around the junction had tuned green to red and back to green and mine hadn't changed the tester stated that there were sensors on these lights” (which I never knew so I said ok they must not be picking up the car so I'll reverse a little, he agreed and I went back a bit but then another car came behind so I rolled back up to the lights and after a bit they did turn and off we went. And that was the only lights issue which I thought I had acted well in after realising the ‘sensors’ weren’t picking the car up?

Now any time I checked my left side and middle mirror I could see that this guy was just looking out his side window and I just took it that he was happy with me. Then without doing a turnabout or reverse around the corner he directed me back to the test centre and gave me the bad news. I was a little angry with him when he gave me his reasons for failing me. But I let it lie cos when the guards are called it wasn't going to be him arrested

So I just dropped the RSA a mail enquiring if I could record the driving test so everyone could be clear on what actually happened rather than having someone make up stuff and then there is no way to check it out.
I and I’m sure everyone else out there in work can’t go around making up stuff as there are checks that can be made to verify what was said and done. However this crowd it seems can get away with it. I’m not looking for sympathy but I am looking for fairness. If I failed that’s fine I failed but if I didn’t and was just done so as a number then that’s ridiculous.

When I got onto the RSA about it they simply said “ah well you can’t prove it and if you try recording it then you’re breaking the law”.

Wishbone Ash

I think you have much bigger issues to sort out if the above is your attitude.

He didn't fail you, you failed you and you should look up the meaning of 'fraud'.

minz34

Were you there? No.
But I would have no problem if an independent supervisor was though. Like I said if I failed (for correct reasons) then I have no issue with it. And yes it was him that failed me. If it was me I'd have passed myself. I've been driving for 24 years but never went for the full license. And no I have never had even as much as a close call (as of yet at least).
A simple google search would provide you with the meaning of fraud but as you don't seem to understand it, I've done it for you; Fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others.

LorelaiG

minz34 wrote: »

Were you there? No.
But I would have no problem if an independent supervisor was though. Like I said if I failed (for correct reasons) then I have no issue with it. And yes it was him that failed me. If it was me I'd have passed myself. I've been driving for 24 years but never went for the full license. And no I have never had even as much as a close call (as of yet at least).
A simple google search would provide you with the meaning of fraud but as you don't seem to understand it, I've done it for you; Fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others.

Of course you would have passed yourself :rolleyes:

How many pretests or lessons did you have before you went for your full test?

splinter65

minz34 wrote: »

Were you there? No.
But I would have no problem if an independent supervisor was though. Like I said if I failed (for correct reasons) then I have no issue with it. And yes it was him that failed me. If it was me I'd have passed myself. I've been driving for 24 years but never went for the full license. And no I have never had even as much as a close call (as of yet at least).
A simple google search would provide you with the meaning of fraud but as you don't seem to understand it, I've done it for you; Fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others.

Look I was like you driving on a learner for 22 years. The best thing I ever did was take 6 lessons earlier this year with a very good driving instructor.
Passing the test is a check box procedure. It’s very technical.
You’ve got into bad habits over the years which don’t make you a dangerous driver but will cause you to fail the test.
You need to have these bad habits pointed out to you to stop doing it.
Take some lessons and practice practice practice driving as if you were doing the test.
I passed at 54 last month and I hadn’t a hope without the lessons.
There’s no fraud either you just didn’t tick the boxes.

mordeith

minz34 wrote: »

I've been driving for 24 years but never went for the full license.

This should simply not be allowed.

Snotty

You've been driving for 24 years and probably picked up a load of bad habits that you think are driving correctly but obviously are not, you just never did a test so didn't know it was in correct.
I have to say your attitude is all wrong and solely going on the attitude of your post, the instructor is 100% correct and you deserved to fail.
Take more lessons and it will benifit you in the long run.

minz34

@LorelaiG and splinter65: I did the full 12 EDTs and then applied for the test and while waiting I purchased a further 6 lessons with another instructor and also did 2 pre-tests with him. I did get some grade 1s and grade 2s in both pre-tests but no G3s in either. The instructor said I should be fine for the test. I had hoped getting a different instructor would help.

minz34

mordeith: You are correct but it is.

Dravokivich

When you're driving, it shouldn't be about you. The tester is mainly concerned about observation and how your driving will affect others.

You are arguing against observation at the time the manovuer is supposed to happen? You shouldn't be waiting untill that point.

It's also a bit difficult to read your op as you are so frustrated, but your road positioning is a big deal. Especially if you are not using the correct lanes.

I've never had direct experience of it, but I've heard people comment on instructors and it seemed to me, the instructor they had was never critical of anything with them. Are you sure you are getting correct guidance?

Wishbone Ash

minz34 wrote: »

Were you there? No.
But I would have no problem if an independent supervisor was though. Like I said if I failed (for correct reasons) then I have no issue with it. And yes it was him that failed me. If it was me I'd have passed myself. I've been driving for 24 years but never went for the full license. And no I have never had even as much as a close call (as of yet at least).
A simple google search would provide you with the meaning of fraud but as you don't seem to understand it, I've done it for you; Fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others.

Again, more of the attitude I referred to above.

Why not do something constructive instead of blaming everyone else. The tester has nothing to gain when you fail. What do your driving instructor and accompanied driver think? Did you discuss it with them? Why have you been accessing public roads for 24 years without a licence?

minz34

Why not do something constructive instead of blaming everyone else: Ok princess, think of it as for informational purposes.
What do your driving instructor and accompanied driver think? Both were a little confused. My instructor was the one that convinced me to raise it to the RSA while we both knew nothing would come of it unless there was an avalanche of complaints. There should be no reason why tests aren't recorded but yet that is not allowed, why do you think that is? And no stupid answers please. We are both busy...well we both should be busy.
Why have you been accessing public roads for 24 years without a licence: Princess short answer is to get places and your previous question...What do your driving instructor and accompanied driver think? should have remained in your head as it clearly shows, even you that I must at least have a learner permit. Go bother your mother for a change.

biko

Thread ends here.
Good luck next time OP.