Twenty foot rake

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Im looking for a rake for my cousin. Hes "not into those blasted computers" so I'm trying to help him out.
He want a twin rotor rake that will bring 2, 10ft swarths in together onto the dry area between the 2 swarths. It cant be too wide that it'll catch a 3rd swath. He has no ideas (nor do I) wheather a mounted or trailer rake is better for this job. 5 to 8 years old is what hes thinking.

Any ideas from the machinery heads here? Make and model to be looking for?

cute geoge

claas 2600 are a mighty rake but would carry 2 1/2 swards for a 10 mower in the headland but you should manage to catch 2 swards only in the rest of the field .kuhn 6301 would be ideal for 2 ten foot swards but might be a bit lighter rake

Panch18

Have a Lely 815 I think it is which will take 3 swarths so not what you are looking for but

General feedback on my Lely would be that I wouldn’t be a massive fan, it doesn’t leave a very clean field and or to get it clean you have to be crawling along.

I would look at class or Sip when changing

selectamatic

As a matter of interest are the trailed rakes any good at raking rotary mower swarths from the flat?

K.G.

One thing about a rake is it would want to nearly be the best machine in the yard because it ll f##k everything up if it goes wrong

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Ok. After a bit of research and using the info posted by some of you boardies, it looks like a Pottinger 612, a Class 2600, or a Kuhn 6301. Ive looked on a few websites this evening and they seem to be rare enough

davidk1394

I’ve a Kuhn GA 6501. Great little rake, easily driven and maneuverable. It has a steering axle and wide tyres. It’ll grab 3 8ft rows and leave a perfect row for a baler. The life of every rake is grease. It’s a well built rake. A few roll pins broke. Other than that I had no issues.

Pros:
Easy adjust the widths and heights
Leaves a good row

Cons:
Can’t lift rotors individually
Lots of roll pins and grease nipples.

There’s a couple of other makes working near me including Claas, Sip and Pottengeir. From their experience so far I’d run a mile from a second hand pottengeir. Very soft and their cam tracks give trouble if they had a rough owner. Claas are a good rake. The time arms are prone to bend though

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davidk1394 wrote: »

I’ve a Kuhn GA 6501. Great little rake, easily driven and maneuverable. It has a steering axle and wide tyres. It’ll grab 3 8ft rows and leave a perfect row for a baler. The life of every rake is grease. It’s a well built rake. A few roll pins broke. Other than that I had no issues.

Pros:
Easy adjust the widths and heights
Leaves a good row

Cons:
Can’t lift rotors individually
Lots of roll pins and grease nipples.

There’s a couple of other makes working near me including Claas, Sip and Pottengeir. From their experience so far I’d run a mile from a second hand pottengeir. Very soft and their cam tracks give trouble if they had a rough owner. Claas are a good rake. The time arms are prone to bend though

Would your rake catch bits of a 3rd row in when mowing 10ft swards. My cousin has a 10ft mower. Is the scope of your rake 6.5 meters?

roosterman71

How about a Lely Rotunde 510



Have one ourselves. Width is adjustable

davidk1394

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

Would your rake catch bits of a 3rd row in when mowing 10ft swards. My cousin has a 10ft mower. Is the scope of your rake 6.5 meters?

Yeah 6.5 meters. Never opened it out fully because the row is too wide for the baler. Well you can narrow it in. Why doesn’t he want to rake any wider than 20ft ?

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davidk1394 wrote: »

Yeah 6.5 meters. Never opened it out fully because the row is too wide for the baler. Well you can narrow it in. Why doesn’t he want to rake any wider than 20ft ?

He has his own ideas. He doesnt want to go tedding and raking, just wants 2 rows into one, where it is raked on to the dry ground between the 2 rows.
I suppose i shouldn't have titled this thread "20 foot rake", it maybe should be "rake for 2, 10 ft rows."

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roosterman71 wrote: »

How about a Lely Rotunde 510



Have one ourselves. Width is adjustable

I'll show him this picture, and see what he thinks.

Panch18

roosterman71 wrote: »

How about a Lely Rotunde 510



Have one ourselves. Width is adjustable

Local baler guy has 1 and it does a lovely tidy job

However am i right in thinking that it will only do a lovely job of raking 2 swarths into 1 and that when the grass is tedded out its no good? Or is that just pub talk?

Panch18

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

He has his own ideas. He doesnt want to go tedding and raking, just wants 2 rows into one, where it is raked on to the dry ground between the 2 rows.
I suppose i shouldn't have titled this thread "20 foot rake", it maybe should be "rake for 2, 10 ft rows."

Ah if he is never going to ted then the Rotunde is the one for him - like i said above the local baler fella has 1 where he is merging 2 swarths and it does a lovely job

roosterman71

Panch18 wrote: »

Local baler guy has 1 and it does a lovely tidy job

However am i right in thinking that it will only do a lovely job of raking 2 swarths into 1 and that when the grass is tedded out its no good? Or is that just pub talk?

Panch18 wrote: »

Ah if he is never going to ted then the Rotunde is the one for him - like i said above the local baler fella has 1 where he is merging 2 swarths and it does a lovely job

I'm gonna call that BS! Be more the man at fault than machine when raking up a tedded field. Couple of snaps of the job after tedding

K.G.

Every baler man i know hates raked grass.they all love a nice conditioned swarth

Reggie.

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

I'll show him this picture, and see what he thinks.

Biggest issue with these rakes is if the ground is anyway rough then the tine holders will snap. I challenge you to find a second hand one that isn't welded

Reggie.

Panch18 wrote: »

Have a Lely 815 I think it is which will take 3 swarths so not what you are looking for but

General feedback on my Lely would be that I wouldn’t be a massive fan, it doesn’t leave a very clean field and or to get it clean you have to be crawling along.

I would look at class or Sip when changing

I've a 715 CD and will never part from it unless it breaks in two. Imo there hasn't been a better rake built. Pure animal

Serious metal in every part of it.
Cam adjustment.
Massive rear axle and wheels
5mm tine arms solid all the way to the cam
Savage machine to clean the ground

Have it 3 years and not so much as a tine broke on it even last year when all the krone rakes were breaking tines for sport in the hard ground.

Class rakes seem very soft in the tine arms and have structural issues on the 2600 just before the axle unless sorted nowadays.

SIP look the part but I dont like join on the arms as this can only lead to wear and they are overpriced imo.

If getting a kuhn be careful as a batch left the factory with the wrong wheel bearings in and one lost its wheel on the road near here.

Run a mile from any McHale rake. Pure disaster


If the lely breaks I dont know what would be the replacement. Possibly a SIP but they would have to supply solid arms.

roosterman71

Reggie. wrote: »

Biggest issue with these rakes is if the ground is anyway rough then the tine holders will snap. I challenge you to find a second hand one that isn't welded

Have one! Ours is second hand and not a weld on it. Most likely had an easy life before we got it, and we don't stress it too much either.

Give all these machines their time to do the job instead of bursting through grass at breakneck speeds and they'll all give a good long service for ya (this applies to all machinery)

Reggie.

roosterman71 wrote: »

Have one! Ours is second hand and not a weld on it. Most likely had an easy life before we got it, and we don't stress it too much either.

Give all these machines their time to do the job instead of bursting through grass at breakneck speeds and they'll all give a good long service for ya (this applies to all machinery)

I know ya do but not all operators treat machines like they should unfortunately

roosterman71

Reggie. wrote: »

I know ya do but not all operators treat machines like they should unfortunately

Exactly. And there in lies the issue. Ya'd easily get years extra out of these yokes if they are minded.

Back on topic, I reckon the Lely Rotonde I suggested would suit the OP nicely
(or if they are near me I'll do it for them for a good rate )

Snowfire

roosterman71 wrote: »

Have one! Ours is second hand and not a weld on it. Most likely had an easy life before we got it, and we don't stress it too much either.

Give all these machines their time to do the job instead of bursting through grass at breakneck speeds and they'll all give a good long service for ya (this applies to all machinery)

So you’re suggesting I shouldn’t be working 540 rated gears in 1000 speed...! Oops

Reggie.

Snowfire wrote: »

So you’re suggesting I shouldn’t be working 540 rated gears in 1000 speed...! Oops

That's what actually ruins rakes. Hate when I hear that going on. The cam cant take it

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roosterman71 wrote: »

Exactly. And there in lies the issue. Ya'd easily get years extra out of these yokes if they are minded.

Back on topic, I reckon the Lely Rotonde I suggested would suit the OP nicely
(or if they are near me I'll do it for them for a good rate )

Ah shur your only over the road.... bring the fendt, it can do a gazillion miles an hour to west cork

Reggie.

roosterman71 wrote: »

Exactly. And there in lies the issue. Ya'd easily get years extra out of these yokes if they are minded.

Back on topic, I reckon the Lely Rotonde I suggested would suit the OP nicely
(or if they are near me I'll do it for them for a good rate )

Sure sell yours and I'll do your Silage

lab man

I've one same as reggie bought same time cant fault it ideal for a baler , but a fella up the road changed his to a sip the rotors can go in and out on two rams so very handy I'd say , but not as strong as a lely in my veiw

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lab man wrote: »

I've one same as reggie bought same time cant fault it ideal for a baler , but a fella up the road changed his to a sip the rotors can go in and out on two rams so very handy I'd say , but not as strong as a lely in my veiw

Your model of rake is probably to wide. It'd pull 3 10ft rows in together.

lab man

Keep Sluicing wrote:

Your model of rake is probably to wide. It'd pull 3 10ft rows in together.

no 2 x 10s 3x9s but makes best after the teddder they a simple machine but as reggie said depends how you drive them going too fast is no good I reckon if going same speed as the baler is plenty fast