2.2 D4D vs 2.0TDI vs 2.2 cdti reliability

Dkhuts

So quick question, in terms of reliability which would be the best engine/car to go for? Lexis is220d with the D4D engine, Audi a4 with a 2.0tdi or a Honda accord with 2.2 cdti? Looking at 08+ cars. Also considering a 1.9tdi PD engine code car but theyre rare to come across as most are the less favoured bxe.

colm_mcm

The Honda and the Audi would be about the same with the Lexus being riskier than both.

bazz26

In this order:

1. Honda,
2. Audi,
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1000. Lexus.

CJhaughey

Post 08 the Accord is an IDTEC unit which has a DPF. ICTDI did not have the DPF.
IDTEC's as a rule are very reliable if serviced correctly.

CrankyHaus

I had a Lexus IS220D, nothing but trouble. Avoid.

I was looking at buying diesel Accords a few times.
Accord DTecs (2008 on) tend to hold their value like mad, which reflects on their perceived quality and reliability, so your money might not get you a very good one, compared to other models. I found the ones in price range that I looked at here and in the UK were banjaxed.

You see some of the older CDTI Accords with 2008 regs, which may be an option. It was not without some earlier problems like cracked exhaust manifolds that were reportedly fixed in a facelift.
I think that model of Accord is a lovely car and you get a lot of toys in most of them. I found the CDTI a less enjoyable drive than the 2.0 petrol, which I owned for several years without any issues. However the petrol costs will add up.

Can't comment on the A4 itself, except I have the same VAG 2.0 TDI in my car. It's been a great engine so far: punchy, smooth, economical and reliable. It was serviced perfectly from new though.

08 and on diesel Saabs are excellent value in the UK, and probably here if you can find one, and according to people on here it's a reliable engine. Maybe something to consider if you don't find good examples of the other cars for sale.

Dkhuts

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I had a Lexus IS220D, nothing but trouble. Avoid.

I was looking at buying diesel Accords a few times.
Accord DTecs (2008 on) tend to hold their value like mad, which reflects on their perceived quality and reliability, so your money might not get you a very good one, compared to other models. I found the ones in price range that I looked at here and in the UK were banjaxed.

You see some of the older CDTI Accords with 2008 regs, which may be an option. It was not without some earlier problems like cracked exhaust manifolds that were reportedly fixed in a facelift.
I think that model of Accord is a lovely car and you get a lot of toys in most of them. I found the CDTI a less enjoyable drive than the 2.0 petrol, which I owned for several years without any issues. However the petrol costs will add up.

Can't comment on the A4 itself, except I have the same VAG 2.0 TDI in my car. It's been a great engine so far: punchy, smooth, economical and reliable. It was serviced perfectly from new though.

08 and on diesel Saabs are excellent value in the UK, and probably here if you can find one, and according to people on here it's a reliable engine. Maybe something to consider if you don't find good examples of the other cars for sale.

Yeah was actually looking at the saabs since they seem to be a decent price, high tax though i think? Also was looking at 2.0 Subaru boxer engines but again wouldnt be too sure on their reliability as i know some of the petrol ones were known for blowing their head gaskets

CrankyHaus

Search this forum for both the saab and subaru diesels and you should get decent info from previous threads. No experience if either but from memory the consensus was that the saab is fairly solid and the subaru is the opposite.

Put tax into calculations with the other costs of owning a car (fuel, insurance, depreciation, maintenance) over the period you plan to own this car for and unless you're getting an old luxobarge it should be relatively minuscule.

CJhaughey

Subaru Boxer Diesels are not reliable, I believe they were improved post 2010 but it remains to be seen how much better they are, they break crankshafts causing catastrophic engine damage.

Dkhuts

What about the VAG 1.6 diesels? Would they be just as reliable as the 2.0 just a bit less gutsy?

bazz26

no.

Audioslaven

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I had a Lexus IS220D, nothing but trouble. Avoid.
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What were the issues?. I know someone that has one from new and it is 9 years old with zero issue with the exception of cleaning the EGR.

Granted he has only 60K miles on it though.

CrankyHaus

Audioslaven wrote: »

What were the issues?. I know someone that has one from new and it is 9 years old with zero issue with the exception of cleaning the EGR.

Granted he has only 60K miles on it though.

That makes it a 2010. I heard they may have fixed some of the issues during the model life, IS200D vs IS220D.

The 220D had:
Head gasket problems, which I luckily avoided,
DPF problems,
EGR problems,
Poor fuel economy,
A dreadful gearbox,

My one also had some other problems show up, like injector problems, something that caused gas build up in the cabin (can't remember exactly), power steering failure and serpentine belt failure the week after a service. That was probably just luck of the draw but disappointing for a Lexus that wasn't that old at the time.

My time owing it was just constant fault codes and limp mode BS. Taking rentals for days and weeks at a time to get to work. I wasn't too impressed with the Lexus and Toyota garages I used for work either, though Carroll Kinsella Blackrock were solid when I finally went to them.

The thing is that everyone on this forum argued against one and I ignored it. Since then my cars purchased have been based on advice I get here, and I've been happy out.

Audioslaven

CrankyHaus wrote: »

That makes it a 2010. I heard they may have fixed some of the issues during the model life, IS200D vs IS220D.

The 220D had:
Head gasket problems, which I luckily avoided,
DPF problems,
EGR problems,
Poor fuel economy,
A dreadful gearbox,

My one also had some other problems show up, like injector problems, something that caused gas build up in the cabin (can't remember exactly), power steering failure and serpentine belt failure the week after a service. That was probably just luck of the draw but disappointing for a Lexus that wasn't that old at the time.

My time owing it was just constant fault codes and limp mode BS. Taking rentals for days and weeks at a time to get to work. I wasn't too impressed with the Lexus and Toyota garages I used for work either, though Carroll Kinsella Blackrock were solid when I finally went to them.

The thing is that everyone on this forum argued against one and I ignored it. Since then my cars purchased have been based on advice I get here, and I've been happy out.

Ok that's strange with the list but the gearbox issue is how it is. I am not sure if he was lucky but I did hear about head gasket issues. The EGR is just a cleaning job which may have caused your DPF issues.

I think he gets around 35-40 mpg and he drives it on.

ofcork

Why did Toyota not just use the 2.0d engine in the lexus IS as the 2.2 gave gasket trouble in the mk 2 avensis even.

colm_mcm

ofcork wrote: »

Why did Toyota not just use the 2.0d engine in the lexus IS as the 2.2 gave gasket trouble in the mk 2 avensis even.

It’s a bit of a strange one alright.

For context, when the Lexus IS launched in 2005, the 2.0 engine was 116bhp and the 2.2 in the IS was 180.
The 2.2 they used in the Avensis at that stage was 150. They also used a 135bhp variant in the RAV4 and Corolla Verso. These lower powered variants didn’t suffer the reliability issues of the T180 Avensis or the Lexus.

bigronnie9

Hi Lads,

Sorry to jump in on this but I'm actually considering a Honda Accord myself at the moment, I know they are considered reliable but they all seem to have insane mileage on them.. would this be a turnoff for you?

They also seem to hold their value, I was looking at 2012 to 2014, they are a lovely car and the one I test drove was a beauty, but a conversation with a taxi driver now has the high mileage (they are all over 100,000 miles) is turning me off

tabby aspreme

If the Honda has been serviced on time, with the correct oil always used, 100,000 miles is not a lot, have a 08 cdti here with 293,000 miles, and the engine has never needed anything.

bigronnie9

tabby aspreme wrote: »

If the Honda has been serviced on time, with the correct oil always used, 100,000 miles is not a lot, have a 08 cdti here with 293,000 miles, and the engine has never needed anything.

Really?Thats unreal. The salesman was saying similar about 300k not being an issue but I was taking his word with a pinch of salt. The taxi driver was just saying you don't know if the previous owner drove it into the ground or looked after it and that issues always start cropping up in any car once you go over 100k

So full service history should be enough peace of mind? Or would getting a mechanic to look at the car add anything (if i could find one to come look at it that is!)

tabby aspreme

bigronnie9 wrote: »

Really?Thats unreal. The salesman was saying similar about 300k not being an issue but I was taking his word with a pinch of salt. The taxi driver was just saying you don't know if the previous owner drove it into the ground or looked after it and that issues always start cropping up in any car once you go over 100k

So full service history should be enough peace of mind? Or would getting a mechanic to look at the car add anything (if i could find one to come look at it that is!)

If you can get a car with full Honda Dealer, service history then you are sure it got the correct oil.

bigronnie9

tabby aspreme wrote: »

If you can get a car with full Honda Dealer, service history then you are sure it got the correct oil.

Thats a good point, I'm looking at two of them and both claim to have a full Honda Dealer service history so I'm hoping either should be safe enough