Motor tax out of date

Whocare

Hi my motor tax is out of date at end of month minimum price for 3 months is 200 .as I'm buying a new car at end of September I have no interest in renewing it
. What worst the guards can do when the tax is out less than a month if I come across a checkpoint

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Whocare wrote: »

Hi my motor tax is out of date at end of month minimum price for 3 months is 200 .as I'm buying a new car at end of September I have no interest in renewing it
. What worst the guards can do when the tax is out less than a month

If it expires at the end of August, then you should be fine. I believe you can renew your tax anytime during September. If it goes into October, however, you are looking at points and a fine.

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Kristopher Unkempt Wine wrote: »

If it expires at the end of August, then you should be fine. I believe you can renew your tax anytime during September. If it goes into October, however, you are looking at points and a fine.

Will you pay the fine for the op as well as giving inaccurate advice?

u140acro3xs7dm

Greysen Fast Sarcasm wrote: »

Will you pay the fine for the op as well as giving inaccurate advice?

Instead of being a smart arse, why don't you inform us of the correct advice?

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Kristopher Unkempt Wine wrote: »

Instead of being a smart arse, why don't you inform us of the correct advice?

It was the opposite of everything you said!!

Not being taxed and being on a public road is an offence.

The op can choose which advice to follow !

u140acro3xs7dm

Greysen Fast Sarcasm wrote: »

Will you pay the fine for the op as well as giving inaccurate advice?

I found this on Google. I know its a few years old, but the last time I looked at my renewal form, it was the same.

On the attached, the tax expires at the end of July. It then states it must be renewed prior to or during August. So if the OPs tax expires at the end of August, they need to renew prior to, or during September.

Dravokivich

Kristopher Unkempt Wine wrote: »

I found this on Google. I know its a few years old, but the last time I looked at my renewal form, it was the same.

On the attached, the tax expires at the end of July. It then states it must be renewed prior to or during August. So if the OPs tax expires at the end of August, they need to renew prior to, or during September.

It doesn't absolve them of their need to tax it. It just gives them time to do so.

mgbgt1978

Nowhere on that form does it say that you can drive an untaxed car. It simply says that "this form can be used" etc, etc.
In other words you can use that form to tax the car as long as the tax has not expired by more than 1 month. After that you would have to pay arrears (and pay for the new tax disc), but the form you linked to cannot be used to pay arrears.

The high horse brigade

Kristopher Unkempt Wine wrote: »

If it expires at the end of August, then you should be fine. I believe you can renew your tax anytime during September. If it goes into October, however, you are looking at points and a fine.

Points for no tax? Since when?

wonski

There are no penalty points.

Stop saying that, people

Also the chances of Guards issuing a fine for a week or two are slim to none, but I would avoid parking in the city/Town.

Thry can fine you 60 a go, every day, if you are really unlucky

Your choice.

u140acro3xs7dm

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Nowhere on that form does it say that you can drive an untaxed car. It simply says that "this form can be used" etc, etc.
In other words you can use that form to tax the car as long as the tax has not expired by more than 1 month. After that you would have to pay arrears (and pay for the new tax disc), but the form you linked to cannot be used to pay arrears.

The OP only asked what was the worst a guard can do. By the sounds of it, I was mistaken, and you don't even get points for no tax. I have been stopped at checkpoints a few times in this situation and the guard has never as much as spoken to me. I did, however, have a parking warden issue a ticket for non display.

If they are getting rid of the car by the end of September, they won't need to pay the arrears. I've sold many a car that was a few weeks out of tax.

Of course if the op wants to be 100% sure, they will need to pay up the 200.

coylemj

There is an unofficial '10 days of grace' during which the cops tend to accept the old 'it's in the post' excuse. Note I said unofficial so please dont remind me that you can still get done.

If I was the OP, I would not park in a public place during the (whole) month of September for fear of getting a ticket for non-display. And I would hope not to be stopped by the cops after the 10th of the month.

Darc19

Whenever this question gets asked, the pedantic types always scare you into thinking Armageddon is coming.

In the real world, no Garda will give a ticket to you if it's just the month after expiration if you have basic manners and respect.

I'm driving 34 years and tax usually is up at end Dec and due to laziness or pressure of work, I rarely get around to renewal til end January.

Been through a few checkpoints and never even a thought of a ticket.


Remember, gardai are human.

punisher5112

Most by year out of tax a d through a checkpoint was 4 years and as I showed just bought they were happy enough.

greasepalm

I also let it relapse and renewed later in the next month.

allthedoyles

I always understood it that you have 21 days to produce . I would fear a traffic warden more than Garda in this case .
Can't you get a fine for having no tax , and not having tax displayed . Isn't that 2 penalties . Maybe I'm wrong .............

punisher5112

allthedoyles wrote: »

I always understood it that you have 21 days to produce . I would fear a traffic warden more than Garda in this case .
Can't you get a fine for having no tax , and not having tax displayed . Isn't that 2 penalties . Maybe I'm wrong .............

10


If it's out it's our simple as....

Good luck finding a traffic warden as I know one of the very last few very well whom retired....

The council's in many cases have set it up that they can do a car such as DLR the robbing backstards....

1 and half minutes outside a ticket and you're done.

GM228

punisher5112 wrote: »

allthedoyles wrote: »

I always understood it that you have 21 days to produce . I would fear a traffic warden more than Garda in this case .
Can't you get a fine for having no tax , and not having tax displayed . Isn't that 2 penalties . Maybe I'm wrong .............

10


If it's out it's our simple as....

Good luck finding a traffic warden as I know one of the very last few very well whom retired....

The council's in many cases have set it up that they can do a car such as DLR the robbing backstards....

1 and half minutes outside a ticket and you're done.

10 days to produce is an option for Gardaí when it comes to driving licences, NCT and insurance, there is no such option for motor tax.

Isambard

if your tax is out by less than month you might get a fine if a Warden, or a cop in a bad mood, spots you, you won't get the car seized , you will have to pay for the 3 months tax.

There is no month to pay it. That stems from you being able to pay it in that month without an arrears situation arising. In other words, if it goes over the month out of date, you'll have to pay for four months.

If you haven't paid it you can be fined at any time for not having tax and not displaying.

Midnight_EG

Short and to the point, €60-€80 fine depending on whether it's a guard or a traffic warden and that'll usually be the end of the matter.

meriwether

I'm getting my second car taken away for scrap.

The tax is lapsed about a year. It wasn't driven in this year.

Will I face some form of claw back when I scrap it?

Should I have informed the tax office / gardai as to why it was lapsed during that period?

coylemj

allthedoyles wrote: »

Can't you get a fine for having no tax , and not having tax displayed . Isn't that 2 penalties . Maybe I'm wrong .............

Yes, they are separate offences.

If you get a ticket, it will be for non-display only but if you get stopped by a Garda at a checkpoint, you could end up with two summons - one for non-display (Finance Act 1976) and the other for non-payment (Roads Act 1920).

punisher5112

meriwether wrote: »

I'm getting my second car taken away for scrap.

The tax is lapsed about a year. It wasn't driven in this year.

Will I face some form of claw back when I scrap it?

Should I have informed the tax office / gardai as to why it was lapsed during that period?

No not at all. You just send the VLC to Shannon stating scrapped and you will get a receipt from breakers to state it's been disposed of correctly.

Guy:Incognito

punisher5112 wrote: »

No not at all. You just send the VLC to Shannon stating scrapped and you will get a receipt from breakers to state it's been disposed of correctly.

You dont need to send anything anywhere. The scrap dealer will do that. They give you a receipt there and then. Then you get the cert in the post.

punisher5112

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

You dont need to send anything anywhere. The scrap dealer will do that. They give you a receipt there and then. Then you get the cert in the post.

Well Ive done it that way. Depends on place I suppose....

coylemj

punisher5112 wrote: »

No not at all. You just send the VLC to Shannon stating scrapped and you will get a receipt from breakers to state it's been disposed of correctly.

just to clarify ...

to formally take your car off the road, you have to bring it to an 'authorised treatment facility' (ATF), your local council will have a list of them on their website. The ATF will give you a 'certificate of destruction' which you keep. They also notify Shannon that the vehicle has been scrapped, you don't have to send the VLC to Shannon.

punisher5112

coylemj wrote: »

just to clarify ...

to formally take your car off the road, you have to bring it to an 'authorised treatment facility' (ATF), your local council will have a list of them on their website. The ATF will give you a 'certificate of destruction' which you keep. They also notify Shannon that the vehicle has been scrapped, you don't have to send the VLC to Shannon.

That's good to know ;-)

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Darc19 wrote: »

Whenever this question gets asked, the pedantic types always scare you into thinking Armageddon is coming.

In the real world, no Garda will give a ticket to you if it's just the month after expiration if you have basic manners and respect.

I'm driving 34 years and tax usually is up at end Dec and due to laziness or pressure of work, I rarely get around to renewal til end January.

Been through a few checkpoints and never even a thought of a ticket.


Remember, gardai are human.

I love how you claim to speak for all guards

Whether they are human or not is a whole other matter!

Isambard

meriwether wrote: »

I'm getting my second car taken away for scrap.

The tax is lapsed about a year. It wasn't driven in this year.

Will I face some form of claw back when I scrap it?

Should I have informed the tax office / gardai as to why it was lapsed during that period?

To answer your first question, no that's the end of the matter tax-wise once you scrap it by the proper procedure.

coylemj

Darc19 wrote: »

In the real world, no Garda will give a ticket to you if it's just the month after expiration if you have basic manners and respect.

If a Garda stops you in the third or fourth week of the month after your tax expires, you can shower him or her with 'basic manners and respect' all you like but I'd still be expecting a summons. Or he just might give you a week or so to produce a disc, with all arrears covered.

Though (as has already been pointed out by GM228), there is no formal power to demand production of a tax disc after the event, you either have it on the windscreen or you don't. And they can check on the patrol car or back in the station to see if you had the tax paid on the date they pulled you over.

The 10 days grace is very much unofficial, I don't think it's now a whole month.

Isambard

I don't think the Gards should be involved in taxation collection.

coylemj

Isambard wrote: »

I don't think the Gards should be involved in taxation collection.

Not collection - enforcement. But I know what you mean.

The alternative is that the Revenue boys set up checkpoints to inspect your windscreen. They do run roadside checkpoints looking for people using marked diesel and driving imports on which VRT has not been paid but I think it makes sense for the Gardai to enforce the tax disc.

Micky 32

Greysen Fast Sarcasm wrote: »

I love how you claim to speak for all guards

Whether they are human or not is a whole other matter!

The guards these days are programmed like robots and act like robots, they don't act human on duty. They don't give any discretion regardless of the reason. They would do their own mothers if their tax was a day out ( i know an exaggeration but you get the point)


Fines have become too much of a big business unfortunately. The chances are very high the OP WILL get done if caught.