Roundabout question

matthew the statue

Maybe a stupid question , passed my driving test a couple of months ago and driving since and was told as are most to think of the roundabout as a clock and that if you are taking an exit at or before 12 o clock go in the left hand lane and go in the right hand lane otherwise.

That's fine but there are a fair few roundabouts around where there are two exits at 12 o clock ie two lanes you can turn into at 12 o clock. The approach I would use is if I was going the lane closest too the left I would go in the left lane and the one that's further away I would go in the right lane.

Is this correct?

Ashleigh1986

Most roundabouts have 4 exits off them when you go onto them.
If your taking exit one or two stay to the left , if your taking exit 3 or 4 stay on the right .
A must is clearly indicate which exit you are going to take .
A lot of drivers either indicate to early or to late .

matthew the statue

From what I have always been told , thats wrong , nothing to do with the amount of exits , see the bottom left under golden rule from RSA : https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf

Ashleigh1986

whatever , over 30 years of safe driving .
I drive for a living, putting up over 70, 000 km per year .
Never caused an accident .
It's obviously working for me .

mgbgt1978

^^^ Em, maybe you might have a look at the 'new' rules of the road (only out now for several years).
The Roundabout Rules were changed. We no longer count Exits. It is now done a Clock Basis. If you drive for a living you should at least be up to date on your knowledge of the Rules of the Road.


And, just in case there's any confusion you must treat each Roundabout by looking at the sign preceding it....many of them have the 2nd exit slightly offset to 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock in reality, but if the sign shows it at 12 o'clock the that's what you must adhere to. There will be some deviations to these rules to allow for local conditions, but these are marked on the road and signage as you approach.

mgbgt1978

matthew the statue wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question , passed my driving test a couple of months ago and driving since and was told as are most to think of the roundabout as a clock and that if you are taking an exit at or before 12 o clock go in the left hand lane and go in the right hand lane otherwise.

That's fine but there are a fair few roundabouts around where there are two exits at 12 o clock ie two lanes you can turn into at 12 o clock. The approach I would use is if I was going the lane closest too the left I would go in the left lane and the one that's further away I would go in the right lane.

Is this correct?

Yes. If there are 2 lanes on the approach (and 2 lanes at the 12 o'clock exit) you can use either approach lane as long as you use the corresponding lane to exit.

matthew the statue

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

^^^ Em, maybe you might have a look at the 'new' rules of the road (only out now for several years).
The Roundabout Rules were changed. We no longer count Exits. It is now done a Clock Basis. If you drive for a living you should at least be up to date on your knowledge of the Rules of the Road.


And, just in case there's any confusion you must treat each Roundabout by looking at the sign preceding it....many of them have the 2nd exit slightly offset to 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock in reality, but if the sign shows it at 12 o'clock the that's what you must adhere to. There will be some deviations to these rules to allow for local conditions, but these are marked on the road and signage as you approach.

Yeah usually I would but sometimes the sign has nothing to clear things up , just the 12 o clock exit is straight but there's two lanes!!

Del2005

matthew the statue wrote: »

From what I have always been told , thats wrong , nothing to do with the amount of exits , see the bottom left under golden rule from RSA : https://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Leaflets/Leaf_booklets/Roundabouts_DL_2012_v3.pdf

The counting exits was the old method of doing roundabouts. They changed to the clock face for some reason.

To me the counting exits makes more sense as there's zero ambiguity, clock face is way to open to different interpretation of what time the exit is at.

To the OP, while technically you can do that don't be surprised if you don't get let in or a bit of road rage. You also have to be very careful when crossing the inside lane as you will be responsible for the crash if you hit anything, you have to be sure that the lane you want to enter is empty and people don't know how to use roundabouts.

Ashleigh1986

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

^^^ Em, maybe you might have a look at the 'new' rules of the road (only out now for several years).
The Roundabout Rules were changed. We no longer count Exits. It is now done a Clock Basis. If you drive for a living you should at least be up to date on your knowledge of the Rules of the Road.


And, just in case there's any confusion you must treat each Roundabout by looking at the sign preceding it....many of them have the 2nd exit slightly offset to 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock in reality, but if the sign shows it at 12 o'clock the that's what you must adhere to. There will be some deviations to these rules to allow for local conditions, but these are marked on the road and signage as you approach.

As I've already stated... It's works for me .
Hopefully you to will have over 35 years of accident free driving.
Thank you for your advice on keeping up with driving rules.
I will of course keep doing what has worked for me .

mgbgt1978

Del2005 wrote: »

To me the counting exits makes more sense as there's zero ambiguity, clock face is way to open to different interpretation of what time the exit is at.

There are now many roundabouts where the 1st exit is at 9 o'clock but the 2nd exit isn't until 3 o'clock. the next exit would then be to return back on to the road you came from. Are you saying that all traffic should enter in the L/H lane unless doing a full 360 ?


As I mentioned the Clock-face is determined by the signage before the roundabout. How else do you expect Strangers, Tourists, etc to know the exact exit point ?

CR 7

Del2005 wrote: »

The counting exits was the old method of doing roundabouts. They changed to the clock face for some reason.

To me the counting exits makes more sense as there's zero ambiguity, clock face is way to open to different interpretation of what time the exit is at.

To the OP, while technically you can do that don't be surprised if you don't get let in or a bit of road rage. You also have to be very careful when crossing the inside lane as you will be responsible for the crash if you hit anything, you have to be sure that the lane you want to enter is empty and people don't know how to use roundabouts.

The RSA pdf clears that up, anytime there's any ambiguity there'll be a road sign or markings to show which exit is the 12 o clock one. I can't think of any roundabout where it's not clear which lane to use for each exit that doesn't have a sign or road markings

• Approaching a roundabout - Conditions at roundabouts may vary. When you’re coming up to a roundabout, look for directional arrows, road markings or signs which might be indicating which lane you should use for the exit you’re taking.

mgbgt1978

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

As I've already stated... It's works for me .
Hopefully you to will have over 35 years of accident free driving.
Thank you for your advice on keeping up with driving rules.
I will of course keep doing what has worked for me .

Like yourself I am a Taxi Driver. But it's just what I do...not what I am


And 37 years of accident free driving (Cars, bikes and Trucks), but as long as you're happy ignoring the current Rules of the road I'm sure the Roads are safer.

Ashleigh1986

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Like yourself I am a Taxi Driver. But it's just what I do...not what I am


And 37 years of accident free driving (Cars, bikes and Trucks), but as long as you're happy ignoring the current Rules of the road I'm sure the Roads are safer.

Ah your one of those TAXIDRIVERS .
The one that is always right .
The one that has an opinion on everything .
The one that wrecks the head of fellow drivers and customers alike .
Ah your one of those .....

mgbgt1978

Even though this is a discussion on roundabouts I'll give you your little minute.
Have a look at your posting history on boards. You are a TAXI DRIVER. You have opinions and notions on everything Traffic related. You have no idea that the rules of the Road were overhauled several years ago. You tell anybody who will listen what's wrong with the traffic in your area.
You are exactly the reason I said in my last post that "that's what I do, not what I am".
You can't even understand that something as simple as the roundabout rules have changed. You have said that you will continue to drive as you always have, even though that is (and has been for some while) contrary to the Law.
You even described yourself in that last post.....and don't even realise it :rolleyes:.

I implied I simply do it for the money (and nothing else) but you can't even see that. Unfortunately about 70% of the Taxi Drivers in this Country are just Carbon copies of yourself. Know-it-alls who don't even know the rules of the Road....which is where they make their living.

Ashleigh1986

Don't post in this thread again.

swarlb

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Even though this is a discussion on roundabouts I'll give you your little minute.
Have a look at your posting history on boards. You are a TAXI DRIVER. You have opinions and notions on everything Traffic related. You have no idea that the rules of the Road were overhauled several years ago. You tell anybody who will listen what's wrong with the traffic in your area.
You are exactly the reason I said in my last post that "that's what I do, not what I am".
You can't even understand that something as simple as the roundabout rules have changed. You have said that you will continue to drive as you always have, even though that is (and has been for some while) contrary to the Law.
You even described yourself in that last post.....and don't even realise it :rolleyes:.

I implied I simply do it for the money (and nothing else) but you can't even see that. Unfortunately about 70% of the Taxi Drivers in this Country are just Carbon copies of yourself. Know-it-alls who don't even know the rules of the Road....which is where they make their living.

Jesus !!! I hope your never stuck for a taxi some night... ye'll end up on a roundabout, going in circles forever... searching for the correct way to exit !!!

Del2005

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

There are now many roundabouts where the 1st exit is at 9 o'clock but the 2nd exit isn't until 3 o'clock. the next exit would then be to return back on to the road you came from. Are you saying that all traffic should enter in the L/H lane unless doing a full 360 ?


As I mentioned the Clock-face is determined by the signage before the roundabout. How else do you expect Strangers, Tourists, etc to know the exact exit point ?

What do you do if all exits are after 12 and there's more than 1 lane entering, does everyone use the right lane and leave the left lane empty.

They could use signs for the correct lane, just like now.

People don't use roundabouts correctly even with signs. I often see people single right when taking exits before 12 and people taking exits after 12 from the left lane. Also where does the clock start, is it the general alignment of the approaching road or from the yield line?

mgbgt1978

Del2005 wrote: »

What do you do if all exits are after 12 and there's more than 1 lane entering, does everyone use the right lane and leave the left lane empty.

1st off , show me a roundabout with that configuration. Secondly, if it is that unusual there will be local Markings to indicate which lane to use.

Del2005 wrote: »

They could use signs for the correct lane, just like now.

???

Del2005 wrote: »

People don't use roundabouts correctly even with signs. I often see people single right when taking exits before 12 and people taking exits after 12 from the left lane. Also where does the clock start, is it the general alignment of the approaching road or from the yield line?

You are supposed to look at the Sign before the roundabout. This should tell you the local council's take on the layout. The 'clock' doesn't start anywhere. The sign tells you where they consider the Entrance and Exit points to be. That's all the info you are getting for that particular roundabout

dsmythy

Well one thing is for certain. Accident free or not if you're following an old rule and most other drivers are following a new rule then many roundabout close calls are probably your problem.

Del2005

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

1st off , show me a roundabout with that configuration. Secondly, if it is that unusual there will be local Markings to indicate which lane to use.


???


You are supposed to look at the Sign before the roundabout. This should tell you the local council's take on the layout. The 'clock' doesn't start anywhere. The sign tells you where they consider the Entrance and Exit points to be. That's all the info you are getting for that particular roundabout

So if it comes down to the sign before the roundabout and what the local council wants, which sometimes is different from the RSA rules, why bother with the rules and just put signs before each roundabout? Then there'd be no ambiguity or excuses.

Isambard

Del2005 wrote: »

So if it comes down to the sign before the roundabout and what the local council wants, which sometimes is different from the RSA rules, why bother with the rules and just put signs before each roundabout? Then there'd be no ambiguity or excuses.

absolutely , the road markings and signs over-ride everything.

matthew the statue

Well thanks for the replies , now I know why there are so many close calls at roundabouts, some people going by incorrect rules!

jaxxx

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

whatever , over 30 years of safe driving .
I drive for a living, putting up over 70, 000 km per year .
Never caused an accident .
It's obviously working for me .

That's fine, except you're wrong.

This should answer any of your queries op

alegalalien

Regarding the roundabout exit, what if at the 3 o'clock exit on the right, there are 2 lanes, which lane should I take ?

matthew the statue

alegalalien wrote: »

Regarding the roundabout exit, what if at the 3 o'clock exit on the right, there are 2 lanes, which lane should I take ?

You should be in the right hand lane

swarlb

jaxxx wrote: »

That's fine, except you're wrong.

This should answer any of your queries op

According to the above, the purpose of roundabouts is to allow traffic to flow smoothly, compared to 'stop and go' junctions with traffics lights.
Now I realise it's gone now, and some of you here probably never experienced it in it's hey day, but why did the put traffics lights at the red cow roundabout....
Or for that matter, why do they put traffic lights at roundabouts. There are still a few around.

jaxxx

swarlb wrote: »

According to the above, the purpose of roundabouts is to allow traffic to flow smoothly, compared to 'stop and go' junctions with traffics lights.
Now I realise it's gone now, and some of you here probably never experienced it in it's hey day, but why did the put traffics lights at the red cow roundabout....
Or for that matter, why do they put traffic lights at roundabouts. There are still a few around.

Some very busy ones almost require lights otherwise traffic on certain sides would never move. More common around triple lane roads and roundabouts, which you kinda only seen in Dublin and Cork. Don't think there's a single triple lane one here in Limerick anyway! Though there are a couple doubles with lights.

swarlb

jaxxx wrote: »

Some very busy ones almost require lights otherwise traffic on certain sides would never move. More common around triple lane roads and roundabouts, which you kinda only seen in Dublin and Cork. Don't think there's a single triple lane one here in Limerick anyway! Though there are a couple doubles with lights.

The Red Cow never moved even with traffic lights....

Spook_ie

There is AFAIK only ONE statutory regulation applying to roundabouts and that is you must turn left when entering. All this talk of RotR being law is complete twaddle.

J_R

matthew the statue wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question , passed my driving test a couple of months ago and driving since and was told as are most to think of the roundabout as a clock and that if you are taking an exit at or before 12 o clock go in the left hand lane and go in the right hand lane otherwise.

That's fine but there are a fair few roundabouts around where there are two exits at 12 o clock ie two lanes you can turn into at 12 o clock. The approach I would use is if I was going the lane closest too the left I would go in the left lane and the one that's further away I would go in the right lane.

Is this correct?

I do not understand your query. But if there are two lanes exiting a roundabout you take the left lane. You may take the right lane only if the left lane is blocked or you are turning right a short distance ahead. What lane or where on the roundabout you entered has no bearing whatsoever on what lane you use to exit.

You obey the rules of the Road. Drive on the left, keep left. use the overtaking lane solely for overtaking

J_R

Del2005 wrote: »

What do you do if all exits are after 12 and there's more than 1 lane entering, does everyone use the right lane and leave the left lane empty.

They could use signs for the correct lane, just like now.

People don't use roundabouts correctly even with signs. I often see people single right when taking exits before 12 and people taking exits after 12 from the left lane. Also where does the clock start, is it the general alignment of the approaching road or from the yield line?

Hi,

reminds me of a pupil I had. She had her own car and wanted a few lessons prior to the test. As we approached a roundabout she asked me what lane to use. I started to explain, using the clock method, got as far as "after 12 0'clock" she interrupted and said, "Oh I never knew that, different rules after midnight.

You always enter the clock/roundabout at the 6 0'clock position or from the bottom of the sign.

Irrespective of its position you always stay left for the first exit. All others, follow the clock rule.

Anus Von Skidmark

J_R wrote: »

I do not understand your query. But if there are two lanes exiting a roundabout you take the left lane. You may take the right lane only if the left lane is blocked or you are turning right a short distance ahead. What lane or where on the roundabout you entered has no bearing whatsoever on what lane you use to exit.

You obey the rules of the Road. Drive on the left, keep left. use the overtaking lane solely for overtaking

I might be misinterpreting, but I think this question relates to those roundabouts where you have the following kind of setup:

You're approaching the roundabout from 6 o'clock

• There are two lanes on approach
• The left hand lane is marked with arrows pointing left AND straight ahead
• The right hand lane is marked with arrows pointing straight ahead AND right

The roundabout itself has two lanes going all the way around, and has two lanes to exit the roundabout at the 12 o'clock / straight ahead exit.

If you want to go straight through in this case, you may be in either the left lane or the right lane on approach.

If you take the left hand lane on approach and intend to go straight through, you follow the left hand lane around the roundabout, and exit in the left hand lane at 12 o'clock.

If you take the right hand lane on approach and intend to go straight through, you follow the right hand lane around the roundabout, and exit in the right hand lane at 12 o'clock.

In this case, two drivers may approach with the intention of going straight through the roundabout - one in the left approach lane, and the other in the right approach lane. if you're in the right approach lane, you don't want to try to exit in the left lane - you risk colliding with the car that entered the roundabout at the same time on your left.

J_R

Anus Von Skidmark wrote: »

I might be misinterpreting, but I think this question relates to those roundabouts where you have the following kind of setup:

You're approaching the roundabout from 6 o'clock

• There are two lanes on approach
• The left hand lane is marked with arrows pointing left AND straight ahead
• The right hand lane is marked with arrows pointing straight ahead AND right

The roundabout itself has two lanes going all the way around, and has two lanes to exit the roundabout at the 12 o'clock / straight ahead exit.

If you want to go straight through in this case, you may be in either the left lane or the right lane on approach.

If you take the left hand lane on approach and intend to go straight through, you follow the left hand lane around the roundabout, and exit in the left hand lane at 12 o'clock.

If you take the right hand lane on approach and intend to go straight through, you follow the right hand lane around the roundabout, and exit in the right hand lane at 12 o'clock.

In this case, two drivers may approach with the intention of going straight through the roundabout - one in the left approach lane, and the other in the right approach lane. if you're in the right approach lane, you don't want to try to exit in the left lane - you risk colliding with the car that entered the roundabout at the same time on your left.

Hi

You also risk colliding with any and all traffic that entered the roundabout at your 9 0'clock and who are exiting at your 3 0'clock as they have priority to drive past your 12 0'clock position. Whereas by taking the left lane you have priority to drive past 9 0'clock and exit at 12 0'clock.

Spook_ie

J_R wrote: »

Hi

You also risk colliding with any and all traffic that entered the roundabout at your 9 0'clock and who are exiting at your 3 0'clock as they have priority to drive past your 12 0'clock position. Whereas by taking the left lane you have priority to drive past 9 0'clock and exit at 12 0'clock.

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4535982,-6.2150624,3a,75y,44.77h,67.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seh7itf8aZXP0uwQETqF7Rg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I think the OP is referring to this type of arrangement, in which case he is entitled to use the right lane to enter and to exit the roundabout (subject to traffic conditions) and traffic entering from your left should be watching for you indicating to leave at what would be their first exit.

And yes I know it is normally traffic light controlled but when they fail the roundabout actually functions as a roundabout.

Spook_ie

Spook_ie wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4535982,-6.2150624,3a,75y,44.77h,67.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seh7itf8aZXP0uwQETqF7Rg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I think the OP is referring to this type of arrangement, in which case he is entitled to use the right lane to enter and to exit the roundabout (subject to traffic conditions) and traffic entering from your left should be watching for you indicating to leave at what would be their first exit.

And yes I know it is normally traffic light controlled but when they fail the roundabout actually functions as a roundabout.

Southbound
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4503343,-6.2240044,3a,75y,250.12h,86.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1se76rDQGbWhsS4JZZrUFl7A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Northbound
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4496545,-6.2260553,3a,75y,62.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5DUh3DPJeCdRqXy6MnuL0w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


This is a better example as there are no traffic lights involved

J_R

Spook_ie wrote: »

Southbound
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4503343,-6.2240044,3a,75y,250.12h,86.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1se76rDQGbWhsS4JZZrUFl7A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Northbound
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.4496545,-6.2260553,3a,75y,62.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5DUh3DPJeCdRqXy6MnuL0w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192


This is a better example as there are no traffic lights involved

Hi,

Interesting, First example, Traffic lights working, no problem but if they break down I would advise extreme caution as per the rules of the road, road markings take priority over the basic rules and the road markings are a little ambiguous.

But second example no such problem. Taking a birds eye view there are two clearly defined lanes, inner and outer. A car on the inside lane MUST gave way to any traffic in the outside lane, irrespective where they entered or wish to exit.


If you take the right hand lane to exit at 12 0'clock you now have some lane changing to do.

On the roundabout leaving the inner lane you must yield to any traffic in the outside lane. Exiting into the right hand lane from the roundabout leaves you with yet another lane change to perform, to get back to your proper driving position on the left. (Two lane changes in total)

Changing traffic lanes
Don’t move from one traffic lane to another without good reason.You must give way to traffic already in the lane into which you are moving

Common sense approach would be, if clear, to take the left lane, stay left.

CPTM

If there are 3 lanes approaching a roundabout, and 5 exits and no road markings giving direction for lane choice, which exits should lane 2 be for? I believe

Lane 1 for exits 1 and 2
Lane 2 for exit 3 and 4
Lane 3 for exit 5.

Or should lane 3 cover both 4 and 5?

Example, driving towards Ballymount on Cromswellfort road, you come to one roundabout and I never know which lane to take for the 3rd or 4th exit..

matthew the statue

This is one that gets me : https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2868493,-9.0447,3a,75y,212.93h,61.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9MELSDVhpatc8fUxqU-_6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

galwaytt

matthew the statue wrote: »

This is one that gets me : https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2868493,-9.0447,3a,75y,212.93h,61.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9MELSDVhpatc8fUxqU-_6Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

oh yeah, bit of a doozy that one.

J_R

Spook_ie wrote: »

There is AFAIK only ONE statutory regulation applying to roundabouts and that is you must turn left when entering. All this talk of RotR being law is complete twaddle.

Spook_ie wrote: »

There is AFAIK only ONE statutory regulation applying to roundabouts and that is you must turn left when entering. All this talk of RotR being law is complete twaddle.

Hi,
As far as I know that is the only unique specific rule regarding roundabouts.

All other rules regarding negotiating roundabouts are in the "Rules of the Road". If a *rule" is not in the rule book then it is a made-up rule and for your safety and others should be ignored.

Some of these home-made rules are relatively harmless if idiotic.
Here are some that have heard from pupils, others read on here.

You can not change lanes, which is exceedingly idiotic as then there could only be one useable lane.

Others stupid and dangerous. For example, that you have the right of way to exit from the inside lane as you are to the right of the traffic in the outside lane. This is exactly the same as exiting from the overtaking lane on a dualcarriageway and expecting the traffic in the driving lane to yield.

Special rules apply if you follow the main road through a roundabout (driving instructor posted that on here)

The rules that apply to a roundabout are the exact same that apply to any other junction road system.
Going straight on or left, stay left. Turning right, go right, keep right.
And of course all rules regarding lanes/lane changing apply to the roundabout lanes

And if going straight ahead and two lanes, you only use the right hand Lane if the left is blocked congested. Same as driving in the overtaking lane with driving lane empty.

Isambard

I still can't understand what all the problems are. Firstly you obey the signs and markings, if they are inadequate, as a guide, use the clockface "rule" Just use your common sense.

I'm still wondering how you are at risk of colliding with the car entering at 9 o'clock in post 34. If he enters at the same time as you, he's ahead of you and you adjust your driving so that you don't drive into him.

Oh and don't forget to use your mirrors and indicators.

J_R

Isambard wrote: »

I still can't understand what all the problems are. Firstly you obey the signs and markings, if they are inadequate, as a guide, use the clockface "rule" Just use your common sense.

.

Hi,
If the driving instructor uses the Rules of the Road and only the rules to explain how to negotiate roundabouts, then there is no problem whatsoever. Everything in the rules is basic common sense and everything can be comprehensively explained to any learner driver.

The problems arise when the instructors add their own interpretation to some of the rules and manufacture totally new ones.

I'm still wondering how you are at risk of colliding with the car entering at 9 o'clock in post 34. If he enters at the same time as you, he's ahead of you and you adjust your driving so that you don't drive into him.

Oh and don't forget to use your mirrors and indicators

Suppose there is a convoy of cars following him, do you still adjust your speed. Suppose he enters just as you pass, do you now adjust your speed so that you can perhaps safely cross in front, but then what happens if he also speeds up ???

Isambard

i'm afraid you can't predict what others may do. If he sped up, effectively undertaking you and ignored your indicators, you might have to go around again.

J_R

Isambard wrote: »

i'm afraid you can't predict what others may do. If he sped up, effectively undertaking you and ignored your indicators, you might have to go around again.

Hi,
An indicator does not automatically grant a right of way. If he is a considerate driver he May allow you to cross. But he is quite entitled to drive on sit on your left rear.

Of course if you selected the left lane to start with as the Rules of the Road dictate you would not have to cross any lane

Isambard

J_R wrote: »

Hi,
An indicator does not automatically grant a right of way. If he is a considerate driver he May allow you to cross. But he is quite entitled to drive on sit on your left rear.

Of course if you selected the left lane to start with as the Rules of the Road dictate you would not have to cross any lane

simply not true.

J_R

Isambard wrote: »

simply not true.

Hi,

OK, quote the rules of the road where on a two lane roundabout it states you may use EITHER lane for going straight ahead at a roundabout.

Rules say you use the left lane, you MAY use the right lane if the left lane is blocked or congested.

I was answering the original question which was which lane to use, I answered the left lane, the right if left blocked.

Give a link, otherwise goodbye

Isambard

the ROTR also say where there are two lanes entering and two leaving, you may use either lane, should the markings and signage not say different of course.

you're the one quoting "Law". Provide your own links.

J_R

Isambard wrote: »

the ROTR also say where there are two lanes entering and two leaving, you may use either lane, should the markings and signage not say different of course.

you're the one quoting "Law". Provide your own links.

Hi

No link, bye

J_R

Isambard wrote: »

the ROTR also say where there are two lanes entering and two leaving, you may use either lane, should the markings and signage not say different of course.

you're the one quoting "Law". Provide your own links.

Hi

No link, bye

Isambard

ha ha , you do know what a JR is in cockney rhyming slang don't you?

J_R

Isambard wrote: »

ha ha , you do know what a JR is in cockney rhyming slang don't you?

Are you really old enough to hold a licence ?