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Matching a census house number to Griffith's Valuation

  • 23-08-2019 6:02pm
    #1
    Waitsian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭


    Hi all. I have what may sound like a stupid question but I'm stumped. After many years of searching for one of my great great grandmother's whereabouts, after her last recorded location, I found her in the 1911 census. She's in 'house 2' in a townland in South Armagh. But can I match that location to the Valuation? Do they use the same numbering system? If not, how does one figure out where a property actually stands (or did) from the census returns? Thanks.


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  • #2
    0lddog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭0lddog


    I wonder if you have encounterd something similar to what I ran into last year ?


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106848278


  • #3
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    The census house numbers were just assigned by enumerators to ensure they counted every house. Unless they're on an urban street, they were just for the census.

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  • #4
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    There may be a way to tackle the problem. You could seek the cancelled valuation books for the townland in question, look for the name of the householder where your great-great-grandmother lived. That should be linked to Griffith's map reference.

    [I don't know where the cancelled valuation books for South Armagh are held, or if there is easy public access. I know the exercise would be fairly straightforward for a townland in the Republic.]


  • #5
    ath262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭ath262


    Valuation Revision Books for NI are online on the PRONI website


  • #6
    Waitsian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Waitsian


    Thanks everyone. I was able to work it out in the end using the Cancelled books on the PRONI website. Thanks for all your help. It took a bit of time and effort but I got there in the end. Hopefully some day there will be a similar online service for the books in the Republic. I know a brave few at this stage have been digitised and can be seen in the Land Office near Liberty Hall but it's great to be able to see the Northern ones online.


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  • #7
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Afaik, there are no plans to put them online but the vast majority of counties are now digitised for quicker searches in the Valuation Office.
    I have to do some work there soon so I'll see if there's an update.

    https://www.valoff.ie/en/archive-research/genealogy/

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  • #8
    Mollymoo19
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭Mollymoo19


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    They're not online - they're just scans on computers.

    FamilySearch have House Books online among their Irish Valuation Office Books, 1831 -1856, https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/2329951

    or have I misunderstood your point?


  • #9
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Note: thread split here for a different topic on the House books.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058010154

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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