Quitting Public Sector Job

thebuzz

Just wondering does anyone know if I was to quit from a public sector job such as HSE or County Council where I'm a certain point on the increment scale and in a few years re-apply and get a job there again, am I back to the bottom of the scale or do you continue where you left off because you have those lower years worked already?

Heart Break Kid

Start from the bottom, if you return best apply for a more senior position. Is a sabbatical an option?

thebuzz

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Start from the bottom, if you return best apply for a more senior position. Is a sabbatical an option?

Unlikely to get it approved with place being short staffed.

Diceicle

Why quit and not try to transfer or get an EOI to another post?

Mrs OBumble

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Start from the bottom, if you return best apply for a more senior position. Is a sabbatical an option?

Different organisations have different policies. At least some recognise prior service in same-grade positions in other organisations.

So it depends.

I understand the government is working (slowly!) on measures to make it easier for people to move in and out of public sector jobs.

nthclare

Omg seriously, I wouldn't leave a public sector job myself.

Well I've a thick skin and great tollerence, and can handle most situations and not take any sh1t from management.

Once you're out, it's almost impossible to get another gold sealed contract and all the trimmings again.

The public sector have changed a lot of contracts for newbies and I'm still getting my hour long break's, two coffee breaks etc
Extra annual leave...

Newbie s are getting one coffee break in the morning and half hour lunch break....

Expected to break their arse for less and have all these stupid target's etc

gmisk

nthclare wrote: »

Omg seriously, I wouldn't leave a public sector job myself.

Well I've a thick skin and great tollerence, and can handle most situations and not take any sh1t from management.

Once you're out, it's almost impossible to get another gold sealed contract and all the trimmings again.

The public sector have changed a lot of contracts for newbies and I'm still getting my hour long break's, two coffee breaks etc
Extra annual leave...

Newbie s are getting one coffee break in the morning and half hour lunch break....

Expected to break their arse for less and have all these stupid target's etc

I thought public sector workers all got the same breaks etc? That's been my experience...
You will get some extra days leave after working there for years....but I think hours would be the same?

OP might be able to take a career break?

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nthclare wrote: »

Omg seriously, I wouldn't leave a public sector job myself.

Well I've a thick skin and great tollerence, and can handle most situations and not take any sh1t from management.

Once you're out, it's almost impossible to get another gold sealed contract and all the trimmings again.

The public sector have changed a lot of contracts for newbies and I'm still getting my hour long break's, two coffee breaks etc
Extra annual leave...

Newbie s are getting one coffee break in the morning and half hour lunch break....

Expected to break their arse for less and have all these stupid target's etc

I assume you're on pre Haddington road.
We get 2 coffee breaks plus lunch and I'm new.
Other departments ive been in 20 minutes coffee in the morning and have coffee at your desk in the afternoon.

SEPT 23 1989

Different world

Augme

The hours and breaks are the same in the civil service no matter if you are pre or post Haddington.

nthclare

Ok I'm semi state, it could be different where I work.

Reputable Rog

Heart Break Kid wrote: »

Start from the bottom, if you return best apply for a more senior position. Is a sabbatical an option?

Your previous service is recognised, however if you leave at return at a lower grade than previous then you will be put on the equivalent increment point in your new grade.
Should you return to a more senior grade you will start on the first increment unless you way were previously on a point of scale which exceeds the first increment in the higher grade.

Maybenever

nthclare wrote: »

Omg seriously, I wouldn't leave a public sector job myself.

Well I've a thick skin and great tollerence, and can handle most situations and not take any sh1t from management.

Once you're out, it's almost impossible to get another gold sealed contract and all the trimmings again.

The public sector have changed a lot of contracts for newbies and I'm still getting my hour long break's, two coffee breaks etc
Extra annual leave...

Newbie s are getting one coffee break in the morning and half hour lunch break....

Expected to break their arse for less and have all these stupid target's etc

This is a staggering post. Juvenile, even. And I say that as someone in the public sector. Working with you must be a joy.

OP - leave if you want to. You can always come back. If there's something else that is interesting you, go for it, you've only one life.

nthclare

Maybenever wrote: »

This is a staggering post. Juvenile, even. And I say that as someone in the public sector. Working with you must be a joy.

OP - leave if you want to. You can always come back. If there's something else that is interesting you, go for it, you've only one life.

It's a young post alright, juvenile is appropriate for a post like mine.
Thanks for the input and feedback, always appreciated.

You know dam well what the public sector is like, and so do I

Working with me is absolutely joyful, I take it working with yourself is a misery...

Constantly nit picking I'd say, and narcissistic undertones would more than likely be the order of the day.

A miserable experience I'd say...

bobbysands81

thebuzz wrote: »

Unlikely to get it approved with place being short staffed.

Make them say no then, don’t just presume they will.

bobbysands81

nthclare wrote: »

Omg seriously, I wouldn't leave a public sector job myself.

Well I've a thick skin and great tollerence, and can handle most situations and not take any sh1t from management.

Once you're out, it's almost impossible to get another gold sealed contract and all the trimmings again.

The public sector have changed a lot of contracts for newbies and I'm still getting my hour long break's, two coffee breaks etc
Extra annual leave...

Newbie s are getting one coffee break in the morning and half hour lunch break....

Expected to break their arse for less and have all these stupid target's etc

For anyone looking in, all the above is completely made up.

blackbox

bobbysands81 wrote: »

For anyone looking in, all the above is completely made up.

Of course it is. Imagine having "targets".

Mousewar

Career break definitely the way to go here. Up to 5 years, can work in the private sector and return to the Public sector at the pay point you left.

gmisk

nthclare wrote: »

Ok I'm semi state, it could be different where I work.

I worked in a semi state body before...you/your colleagues are IMO taking the p#ss

nthclare

gmisk wrote: »

I worked in a semi state body before...you/your colleagues are IMO taking the p#ss

Not attall lol
Sure the money's shoite, no bonuses, never have the equipment needed.
Get the job done, we're not going to pay for machinery, but get it done all the same.
Health and safety pffft

They get money and it has to be spent.

Metaphorically it's like putting in note's into a paper shredding machine.

And the machines called consultant

Then they send some goon in as a consultant who's basically a rookie making a balls of a project...

Then to fix the mess, they hire more consultants and then the cycle goes on and on...

I don't think the problems with the staff really.

More like the revolving door managers....

I know a lady who's in a semistate in Leinster and they place bets on how long it takes the new revolving manager on a three year contract to crack..

gmisk

nthclare wrote: »

Not attall lol
Sure the money's shoite, no bonuses, never have the equipment needed.
Get the job done, we're not going to pay for machinery, but get it done all the same.
Health and safety pffft

They get money and it has to be spent.

Metaphorically it's like putting in note's into a paper shredding machine.

And the machines called consultant

Then they send some goon in as a consultant who's basically a rookie making a balls of a project...

Then to fix the mess, they hire more consultants and then the cycle goes on and on...

I don't think the problems with the staff really.

More like the revolving door managers....

I know a lady who's in a semistate in Leinster and they place bets on how long it takes the new revolving manager on a three year contract to crack..

Well it doesn't sound like your exactly helping them...
The money isnt shoite as you put it...if you are willing to knuckle down and move up the grades...but hey.

red petal

nthclare wrote: »

Not attall lol
Sure the money's shoite, no bonuses, never have the equipment needed.
Get the job done, we're not going to pay for machinery, but get it done all the same.
Health and safety pffft

They get money and it has to be spent.

Metaphorically it's like putting in note's into a paper shredding machine.

And the machines called consultant

Then they send some goon in as a consultant who's basically a rookie making a balls of a project...

Then to fix the mess, they hire more consultants and then the cycle goes on and on...

I don't think the problems with the staff really.

More like the revolving door managers....

I know a lady who's in a semistate in Leinster and they place bets on how long it takes the new revolving manager on a three year contract to crack..

This is the biggest problem with the public sector! People who are difficult and uncooperative but self labelled as "thick skinned". They will never leave their job, progress much further or be of assistance to anyone because "why should they?", when "the management need to sort this place out" and they will still be paid and never let go because of their "gold sealed contract".

nthclare

gmisk wrote: »

Well it doesn't sound like your exactly helping them...
The money isnt shoite as you put it...if you are willing to knuckle down and move up the grades...but hey.

Bless them they're in the door and realise that the whole place is entrenched in collective bargaining....

Why knuckle down and move up the grades when your responsibility increases by 1000% for maybe an extra euro an hour.

I work hard and always get my targets, finished most projects on time.

Saved the company a lot of money over the years by tweaks here and there.

I'm not at the bottom of the scale by a long shot.

I probably am well able to survive outside of the government sector but I'm going well and were always ahead of the posse.

Monday to Friday suits me well, when you're a professional at your trade and well able to plan ahead and complete tasks without complications, then I think life is pretty ok

gmisk

nthclare wrote: »

Bless them they're in the door and realise that the whole place is entrenched in collective bargaining....

Why knuckle down and move up the grades when your responsibility increases by 1000% for maybe an extra euro an hour.

I work hard and always get my targets, finished most projects on time.

Saved the company a lot of money over the years by tweaks here and there.

I'm not at the bottom of the scale by a long shot.

I probably am well able to survive outside of the government sector but I'm going well and were always ahead of the posse.

Monday to Friday suits me well, when you're a professional at your trade and well able to plan ahead and complete tasks without complications, then I think life is pretty ok

Its more than a few euro for me anyway I started out as a CO and am now at AP.


The scales only go to a certain point then its long service increments which arent great, but if your happy in your role grand.


If the role/organisation you are in frustrates you then move, the working practices vary a lot.

nthclare

gmisk wrote: »

Its more than a few euro for me anyway I started out as a CO and am now at AP.


The scales only go to a certain point then its long service increments which arent great, but if your happy in your role grand.


If the role/organisation you are in frustrates you then move, the working practices vary a lot.

I like it, I work hard enough my post's are based on observation rather than my own working practices.

I keep my head down, clock in get the work done.
Sometimes I forfit my 15 minute breaks to get something finished

tomwaits48

nthclare wrote: »

Omg seriously, I wouldn't leave a public sector job myself.

Well I've a thick skin and great tollerence, and can handle most situations and not take any sh1t from management.

Once you're out, it's almost impossible to get another gold sealed contract and all the trimmings again.

The public sector have changed a lot of contracts for newbies and I'm still getting my hour long break's, two coffee breaks etc
Extra annual leave...

Newbie s are getting one coffee break in the morning and half hour lunch break....

Expected to break their arse for less and have all these stupid target's etc

The phrase "stealing a living" comes to mind

gmisk

tomwaits48 wrote: »

The phrase "stealing a living" comes to mind

Just a tad.


I cant say I havent encountered people like this in the civil/public service....I have unfortunately...but you know what they don't move up, they tend to sit on their @rse at the same grade or round about until they retire.
The mindset of people has changed a lot thankfully over the years where this isnt the norm IMO.

nthclare

tomwaits48 wrote: »

The phrase "stealing a living" comes to mind

Exactly, they're paying poorly and expect people to break their nut's in the process.

Life's easier when you're getting paid better and appreciated.

Glad you're identifying with me

red petal

nthclare wrote: »

Exactly, they're paying poorly and expect people to break their nut's in the process.

Life's easier when you're getting paid better and appreciated.

Glad you're identifying with me

Surely a "gold sealed contract" implies that you're being paid pretty well for the amount of work you're doing. Otherwise you would be left long ago. But you have no intentions of leaving ever because of how handy you have it. You seem pretty bitter about your job but with no other options you would go for, the pros must far outweigh the cons.

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bobbysands81

blackbox wrote: »

Of course it is. Imagine having "targets".

Not sure what you mean but are you seriously saying that there isn’t targets in certain sections in the Public Service?

nthclare

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Not sure what you mean but are you seriously saying that there isn’t targets in certain sections in the Public Service?

There's target's alright, and that's the clocking out machine at around 16:50...

Rikand

nthclare wrote: »

There's target's alright, and that's the clocking out machine at around 16:50...

I work with people just like you. Giving out about the job, management, their colleagues, but you'll never leave cause you'll never have it as good anywhere else.

Ursus Horribilis

He'd be unemployable anywhere else, given his appalling attitude.

I used to work in the Public Sector (have since left) and we wouldn't have got away with that nonsense that nthclare is boasting about. We had targets, what we did was measured and people who were slacking off got pulled up over it.

bottlebrush

If you joined the public sector before 2013 then leave for a period of more than six months, when you return to the public service you will be joining the new Single pension scheme where benefits are not as favourable. Your previous service will be preserved of course on the old scheme but anything from now to retirement would be based on career average contributions, and not service as with the older schemes.
Just something to bear in mind too.

nthclare

Rikand wrote: »

I work with people just like you. Giving out about the job, management, their colleagues, but you'll never leave cause you'll never have it as good anywhere else.

If you read my posts you'll realise, Im coming from observation rather than at that craic myself.

I work hard and always complete my work and keep on top of it.


My remark about the clock machine is me just being sarcastic.

You're a bit like the fake news you'll hear people talking about these days.

Cherry picking post's and making a headline out of it to go along with your own agenda.
But that's ok with me, you're entitled to twist things after all it's an internet forum and we're all incognito or anonymous...

Everyone has issues now and again with colleagues and management.

It's quite obvious to me you're responding in a "you're a very bold lad" attitude and more than likely up to the eye ball's in it.

I have a trade in the public sector, I studied for 4 years and have a lot of experience behind me.

I work in dangerous situations, climb a lot using heavy duty machinery etc

I actually love my job, would you climb up a rope with a small chainsaw hanging off your waist be able to saw down branches after a big storm in the pissing rain on a November's morning....

Shredding branches into a chipper, then off somewhere else to maybe clear another road.

Wading through a river to get to the other side to clear over hanging tree's, and sleet slapping you with a cutting easterly wind...

I have all of the ppe and enjoy the hardship of it, work hard and it's satisfying.
I don't mind hardship, it's in my DNA and I don't mind getting my hands dirty or wet
Get the flu jab every year, so I'm hardly ever out sick....

I think some of ye are judging me with your own conclusions, rather than asking me about what the job entails...


I don't think many would do it working outdoors for a lot of the year....