Ryanair 1 - 0 Forsa

Portsalon

Good win for both Ryanair and, more importantly, the travelling public.


Ryanair granted injunction preventing Irish-based pilots from going on strike

Stevieluvsye

Delighted but knowing what Unions are like this will probably work out worse in the end for the public over the coming months ahead.

No talking to the beards

Eric Cartman

Great to see a win for the people over the bully boy unions, the most stagnant and irrelevant force in our society these days

EmmetSpiceland

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Great to see a win for the people over the bully boy unions, the most stagnant and irrelevant force in our society these days

There was a time when unions were important and fought for what was fair, now they just seem to be run by self important “gougers” out for what they can get regardless of the damage that costs.

Stevieluvsye

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

There was a time when unions were important and fought for what was fair, now they just seem to be run by self important “gougers” out for what they can get regardless of the damage that costs.

I'm convinced there are some Union reps that post in CA/IMHO

Eric Cartman

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Great to see a win for the people over the bully boy unions, the most stagnant and irrelevant force in our society these days

There was a time when unions were important and fought for what was fair, now they just seem to be run by self important “gougers” out for what they can get regardless of the damage that costs.

Their relevance and help were superceeded by employment acts and health&safety laws, then they became gangsters holding staff and companies to ransom and bullying non members.

circadian

Can I join in with this capitalist "win for the people" circlejerk?

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Of course unions are needed these days, where they aren’t, low paid work, and not where they are - relatively well paid work or the public service.

Stevieluvsye

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Of course unions are needed these days, where they aren’t, low paid work, and not where they are - relatively well paid work or the public service.

O oh,

That should open the floodgates

EmmetSpiceland

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Of course unions are needed these days, where they aren’t, low paid work, and not where they are - relatively well paid work or the public service.

But unions don’t seem to really care about people like that. Same way they always side with the “old guard” over new joiners on lower wages.

Portsalon

circadian wrote: »

Can I join in with this capitalist "win for the people" circlejerk?

Only if you can first pass the mandatory IQ test.

Ceist a haon: are water charges a good idea? (feel free to call a friend).

jam_mac_jam

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

But unions don’t seem to really care about people like that. Same way they always side with the “old guard” over new joiners on lower wages.

Unions are a product of how is in them and who runs them. The more people roll their eyes and say meh, the less that will be done for younger people or the new joiners and the more that the old guard will keep power for themselves. Unions are meant to be about protecting those that need the support the most not those that are there the longest.

circadian

Portsalon wrote: »

Only if you can first pass the mandatory IQ test.

Ceist a haon: are water charges a good idea? (feel free to call a friend).

Dead on hi.

Portsalon

circadian wrote: »

Dead on hi.

Good lad. You managed 50% in that question.

Ceist a dó: Finish this sentence: Michael O'Leary is a ...........

Portsalon

Portsalon wrote: »

Ceist a dó: Finish this sentence: Michael O'Leary is a ...........

Ledge in his own lunchbox.

Eric Cartman

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Of course unions are needed these days, where they aren’t, low paid work, and not where they are - relatively well paid work or the public service.

Mandate are in almost every shelf stacking job in the country. Theres no union for accountants, IT workers, executives, plumbers etc... and they don’t seem to be getting shafted wholesale like you think happens.

Portsalon

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Mandate are in almost every shelf stacking job in the country. Theres no union for accountants, IT workers, executives, plumbers etc... and they don’t seem to be getting shafted wholesale like you think happens.

Although Forsa is the union of choice for professionals (accountants, engineers, IT, etc. etc.) who choose to work in the State Sector.

Looks as though the guinea pig who tends to Forsa's website has fallen asleep at the wheel.

https://www.forsa.ie/ryanair-pilots-to-strike-for-48-hours-on-22nd-and-23rd-august/

Eric Cartman

Portsalon wrote: »

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Mandate are in almost every shelf stacking job in the country. Theres no union for accountants, IT workers, executives, plumbers etc... and they don’t seem to be getting shafted wholesale like you think happens.

Although Forsa is the union of choice for professionals (accountants, engineers, IT, etc. etc.) who choose to work in the State Sector.

Looks as though the guinea pig who tends to Forsa's website has fallen asleep at the wheel.

https://www.forsa.ie/ryanair-pilots-to-strike-for-48-hours-on-22nd-and-23rd-august/

The only IT engineer who’d join a union is a useless one on the verge of being sacked, membership would be worse than a forehead tattoo for unemployability.

end of the road

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only IT engineer who’d join a union is a useless one on the verge of being sacked, membership would be worse than a forehead tattoo for unemployability.

incorrect.
some people are very good at their jobs and others not. being in a union has no relevance to that reality. plenty of good workers in unions and plenty of incompetent ones not. the opposite is also the case.

So anyway...


What does this mean for joe soap who is flying Ryanair in the coming weeks/months? Does this ruling blow the socks off the whole charade for the pilots or does it just kick the can down the road, so expect strikes in September and October instead?

(presumably if they're gonna bother doing it again, they'll wait til the christmas/new year period to try to use that for leverage?)

end of the road

Deleted User wrote: »

So anyway...


What does this mean for joe soap who is flying Ryanair in the coming weeks/months? Does this ruling blow the socks off the whole charade for the pilots or does it just kick the can down the road, so expect strikes in September and October instead?

(presumably if they're gonna bother doing it again, they'll wait til the christmas/new year period to try to use that for leverage?)

from what i understand it just prevents a strike going ahead on the basis of this particular ballot.
so they will likely reballot down the line.

end of the road

ryanair have lost their case in the uk against the pilots there. according to lbc radio.

Portsalon

end of the road wrote: »

from what i understand it just prevents a strike going ahead on the basis of this particular ballot.
so they will likely reballot down the line.

If they lose the main hearing, then my understanding is that they'd first have to go through whatever negotiation process they and Ryr agreed to less than 12 months ago.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The only IT engineer who’d join a union is a useless one on the verge of being sacked, membership would be worse than a forehead tattoo for unemployability.

IT workers would be far better off if there were a general union for them. Something like an actors guild.

Snow Garden

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Of course unions are needed these days, where they aren’t, low paid work, and not where they are - relatively well paid work or the public service.

They have the public service ruined. It's so hard to get any real reform done because of people running to the union reps everytime a work practice or process is changed. The HSE is a prime example.

Scoondal

If any Ryanair staff don't like the pay in their company, why don't they just leave and find a job somewhere else ? Am I missing something here ?
I have left many jobs in my life for various reasons. Such people need to take control of their own careers.

padd b1975

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

There was a time when unions were important and fought for what was fair, now they just seem to be run by self important “gougers” out for what they can get regardless of the damage that costs.

Beaten docket Emmet, ever since they were infiltrated by the Trots.

end of the road

Scoondal wrote: »

If any Ryanair staff don't like the pay in their company, why don't they just leave and find a job somewhere else ? Am I missing something here ?

there are plenty of possible reasons. no openings elsewhere, other companies may have aspects themselves that may make a move not as viable for some individuals, etc.

Scoondal wrote: »

I have left many jobs in my life for various reasons. Such people need to take control of their own careers.

that's exactly what they are doing. taking control of their careers by joining the union and striving to improve the conditions at ryan air, and tbh ryan air will be all the better for having better conditions.

Scoondal

end of the road wrote: »

there are plenty of possible reasons. no openings elsewhere, other companies may have aspects themselves that may make a move not as viable for some individuals, etc.



that's exactly what they are doing. taking control of their careers by joining the union and striving to improve the conditions at ryan air, and tbh ryan air will be all the better for having better conditions.

I've done the whole union thing in my working life. It's not worth all the hassle. I found a job that I actually liked doing after leaving unionised companies where we were constantly battling with management that left a horrible working environment.
It is only a small percentage of Ryanair staff that are even unionised. The Ryanair UK pilots' strike had no effect on Ryanair operations.

end of the road

Scoondal wrote: »

I've done the whole union thing in my working life. It's not worth all the hassle. I found a job that I actually liked doing after leaving unionised companies where we were constantly battling with management that left a horrible working environment.
It is only a small percentage of Ryanair staff that are even unionised. The Ryanair UK pilots' strike had no effect on Ryanair operations.

the uk pilots strike won't need to have had a specific effect or effects on ryan air operations.
all it needs to do is to show that workers have finally had enough and are now going to strive to improve conditions, and show that even a company like ryan air aren't immune from modernisation in terms of terms and conditions.

Patrick2010

end of the road wrote: »

the uk pilots strike won't need to have had a specific effect or effects on ryan air operations.
all it needs to do is to show that workers have finally had enough and are now going to strive to improve conditions, and show that even a company like ryan air aren't immune from modernisation in terms of terms and conditions.

You support every strike don’t you? Has there ever been a strike you thought wasn’t justified?
You support pilots on 175k striking for an unspecified amount!

markodaly

Look at the most dysfunctional organisations in the state and you do not have to look far to see the Unions paws all over it.

The Gardai, the health service, CIE, The civil service, just to name a few examples.

Well run organisations that provides good value for money and Unions do not go hand in hand. It is why less and fewer people join them.

omega man

Patrick2010 wrote: »

You support every strike don’t you? Has there ever been a strike you thought wasn’t justified?
You support pilots on 175k striking for an unspecified amount!

Just for balance, a Dublin based Captain earns around 150k (basic around 90k) whilst an FO earns around 80k (around 30k basic). Total salary includes pension contribution, sector and performance pay etc.

ChikiChiki

omega man wrote: »

Just for balance, a Dublin based Captain earns around 150k (basic around 90k) whilst an FO earns around 80k (around 30k basic). Total salary includes pension contribution, sector and performance pay etc.

Them salary scales seem high for Ryanair. I would expect it at EI and BA but Ryanair.

end of the road

Patrick2010 wrote: »

You support every strike don’t you? Has there ever been a strike you thought wasn’t justified?
You support pilots on 175k striking for an unspecified amount!

correct.
as far as i am concerned nobody goes out on strike unless they absolutely have to, especially considering they will lose pay for the day or days they strike.
so yes i will defend workers taking that course of action if they feel they are left with no other option but to do so, and i am very happy to do that.

mgn

I think one of Michael O'Leary's biggest regret will be letting Ryanair staff join a union.There is not a hope Ryanair would be where it's today if the were in a union from day one.

Portsalon

end of the road wrote: »

correct.
as far as i am concerned nobody goes out on strike unless they absolutely have to, especially considering they will lose pay for the day or days they strike.
so yes i will defend workers taking that course of action if they feel they are left with no other option but to do so, and i am very happy to do that.

Translation: Not matter how fanciful, illogical, irrational or unreasonable their demands may be, or how dreadful the effects of their industrial action on the innocent members of the public who pay their wages, the wurkers, Gawd bless 'em, are always right.

Luis21

Can anyone actually explain what forsa do for their members.


apart from income continuance ?

Scoondal

Ryanair pilots work to protect their passengers. Every day that they work, involve procedures that protect ordinary people in planes.

end of the road

Luis21 wrote: »

Can anyone actually explain what forsa do for their members.


apart from income continuance ?

protect terms, conditions, insure the company abides by everything in relation to employment, etc.

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

protect terms, conditions, insure the company abides by everything in relation to employment, etc.

No, they don't.

There is a minimum wage enforced by law. Then there is all the Health and Safety laws to ensure good working environments.

CinemaGuy45

This thread is great 3 posts up from this is a post from the end of January replying to a post in August last year.