Looking to upgrade

Creamy Goodness

Hey all,

Currently driving an '05 116i and looking to upgrade in Feb/Mar next year (This timeframe is non-negotiable unfortunately as with Brexit looming it would have been nice to be able to take advantage). My budget will be between 20k-30k cash depending on some factors, I'm not against topping up with a 10k credit union loan for the right car. I know the majority of links that are posted will be long gone by the time I'm buying but it'll be nice to know exactly what I'm looking for (i.e. trim level, features etc.) when the time comes.

I'm looking for something a bit bigger than the 116i and I'm thinking more of a sedan/saloon style of car and staying German like a BMW 420 or Audi A5. I'm ruling out EV's for now as the only EV's I think are interesting are Tesla's and they're just too much out of range (see what I did there?) for me right now. I've kept the 116i for 3 years and it's a great little motor (it'd be nice to get scrappage but it's practically worthless) so hoping to keep this the same length and have a reasonable re-sell value.

My commute is roughly 60km a day (30km each way), it's roughly 10% N roads, 85% M roads and 5% other so I'm pretty sure this rules out diesels. I do the odd trips (once/twice a year) to Donegal roughly 260km and to Cork maybe once a year.

My list of requirements (and dreams marked with *) are as follows:

• Dual zone A/C
• 5 doors
• Leather seats
• Bit of ooomph
• Parking sensors
• Good infotainment system
• Less or equal to €514 (current tax on 116i) tax per year
• Not white
• No French cars 🙂
• Keyless entry *
• Reversing camera *
• Apple CarPlay *
• HUD or digital instrument display **

** this is probably way out of the price bracket.

Midnight_EG

You'd get a Model S for your budget cleared at that stage

Creamy Goodness

Midnight_EG wrote: »

You'd get a Model S for your budget cleared at that stage

I guess. Although I would have some reservations about buying a second hand EV, especially at that cost. I'm probably worried about nothing but something is off putting.

ELM327

I'd second the model S reccomendation

Dia_Anseo

BREXIT will most likely still being negotiated in March 2020 or shelved.

There is a recession around the corner therefore one must be prudent about being a spendthrift.

Ask yourself what necessities do I need? You probably need a car but not a 30k Audi saloon. Cut your cloth to measure and get a budget car for the recession.

This is a 2013 car that could be got for 3.5k leaving you with 26.5k in savings for the recession. It's also economical and cheap and uncomplicated to repair. In 3 years time itll be worth 1400 minimum therefore depreciating 700 euro a year. That Audi saloon will drop 3.5k minimum in year one!

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/dacia-sandero-0-9-turbo-nct-tax-price-drop/22233656

Heres Johnny

I don't know if the post above is a joke or not but I'll bite anyway....

How do you know a recession is coming?
How do you know the poster will be affected to such an extent he can't afford a car? There's loads of 09 to 13 nice cars around, these were purchased in last recession

And finally!

How in the world is a sub 1 litre dacia an alternative to what the OP is looking for???

Creamy Goodness

And it’s basically a French car with Dacia being owned by Renault. I’d keep the 116i going if the Dacia was my only option.

Poor troll is poor.

Dia_Anseo

Okay I may have come across as the doomslayer and overlooked some of the OP's criteria.

I work in industry that recognize early data indicators of a constraining economy. I do not know the OP but he is a young 33 year old with a mortgage on a Dublin property bought at the height of the market.

While I may have been pedantic in suggesting a 3.5k Sandero I had good intentions. I would sooner have a 3.5K Sandero on my driveway than 26.5k in mortgage arrears.

Creamy Goodness

Back again, sorry for digging up an old thread:

What are people's opinions on this?

https://usedcars.audi.co.uk/usedcar/i/s|10,AABW|1024,53.2652,-2.88108,20,S2luc2V5IFJvYWQsIEVsbGVzbWVyZSBQb3J0LCBDaGVzaGlyZSBXZXN0IGFuZCBDaGVzdGVyLCBFbmdsYW5k|1051,25000/l|12,1,t_geo,U/d|GBR00561986010/controller.htm

From what I see it's about 30k to buy (hoping to knock a bit off due to buying out right, no trade-in/finance, VRT is €7300 and NOx of approx €600.

Idbatterim

assuming you can plug in at home, Id probably go for a 330e or 530e, can do your trip for near free on electric. dirt cheap tax...

Idbatterim

a 30k audi from a dealer. Go try sell that back to the dealer or trade it in on sell it privately the following day. Youll lose 5k minimum!

colm_mcm

Idbatterim wrote: »

a 30k audi from a dealer. Go try sell that back to the dealer or trade it in on sell it privately the following day. Youll lose 5k minimum!

But as long as the OP isn’t planning on doing that, they’ll probably be ok.

crystalbrite

Idbatterim wrote: »

a 30k audi from a dealer. Go try sell that back to the dealer or trade it in on sell it privately the following day. Youll lose 5k minimum!

It's £24k from an Audi dealer.
The cheapest 2019 A5 S-line TFSI 40 I can see on autotrader is also £24k.
Seems like a good deal.

PaulRyan97

That is a very good deal, it's both the best engine and transmission (in my opinion) that you can get in the A5. Be warned, they can be a bit heavy on fuel, probably 7.0-7.5/100km average.

Idbatterim

Vrt and nox 8k? Aren’t people bring in the bmw hybrids for less than one k vrt? 7.5 is pretty slow these days on that Audi. Was reading review of x1 for a mate earlier and I thought k the detuned dueseldid it in 6.6

Creamy Goodness

Idbatterim wrote: »

assuming you can plug in at home, Id probably go for a 330e or 530e, can do your trip for near free on electric. dirt cheap tax...

I'm not a huge fane of the 5 series, I'll take a quick look though as it is free to do so

Idbatterim wrote: »

a 30k audi from a dealer. Go try sell that back to the dealer or trade it in on sell it privately the following day. Youll lose 5k minimum!

Yes because this is a completely normal scenario.

PaulRyan97 wrote: »

That is a very good deal, it's both the best engine and transmission (in my opinion) that you can get in the A5. Be warned, they can be a bit heavy on fuel, probably 7.0-7.5/100km average.

I'm roughly getting 450km out of my tank in the 116i which if my sums are right approx 11l/100km.so 7-7.5 sounds nice enough to me.

Idbatterim wrote: »

Vrt and nox 8k? Aren’t people bring in the bmw hybrids for less than one k vrt? 7.5 is pretty slow these days on that Audi. Was reading review of x1 for a mate earlier and I thought k the detuned dueseldid it in 6.6

Majority of my commute is done on the N11/M11/M50, getting to 60mph is only a pipe dream for me the majority of the time.

Idbatterim

MEntioned 330 or 530e as you currently have a bmw.

Creamy Goodness

Idbatterim wrote: »

MEntioned 330 or 530e as you currently have a bmw.

I appreciate that and I loved every minute of the baby one I had. I think after the 4 years though I’d like to try some other brand.

The master plan for the next few years is to buy this, keep saving and in 2-3 years time sell it and put a sizeable deposit down on a model 3.

kermitpwee

Lexus Is300h F Sport

Idbatterim

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

I appreciate that and I loved every minute of the baby one I had. I think after the 4 years though I’d like to try some other brand.

The master plan for the next few years is to buy this, keep saving and in 2-3 years time sell it and put a sizeable deposit down on a model 3.

Assuming you couldnt stretch to one now? Total all round cost might be cheaper if you could, to just get the 3 now... I mean the issue with the audi is, its worth 15k in 3 years, if even, probably 10-12 (plus the cost of interest, plus cost of servicing, nct, stuff going potentially wrong)... Obviously if it cant stretch that far now, the argument is academic, but if you could , would be a win / win

or import from the uk when its over 6 months or whatever the criteria is (so vat isnt liable)...

Creamy Goodness

Idbatterim wrote: »

Assuming you couldnt stretch to one now? Total all round cost might be cheaper if you could, to just get the 3 now... I mean the issue with the audi is, its worth 15k in 3 years, if even, probably 10-12 (plus the cost of interest, plus cost of servicing, nct, stuff going potentially wrong)... Obviously if it cant stretch that far now, the argument is academic, but if you could , would be a win / win

or import from the uk when its over 6 months or whatever the criteria is (so vat isnt liable)...

yeah the Audi will be purchased with cash, and a small personal loan to cover the VRT + NOx.

With the Tesla the most I could put down is the €28k leaving me with monthly payment of €750 per month (based on Model 3 Performance grey metallic) over five years. Since I have some home improvements and potentially a wedding in the next 5 years I don't want to have such a large loan with the uncertain costs these other things will have.

ELM327

Would you go for the long range non performance option?
Still faster than most other cars on the road, 0-60 in ~4 seconds. Similar 0-60 to my MS and I tell you that's like being on a roller coaster.

Creamy Goodness

ELM327 wrote: »

Would you go for the long range non performance option?
Still faster than most other cars on the road, 0-60 in ~4 seconds. Similar 0-60 to my MS and I tell you that's like being on a roller coaster.

I test drove the P and I was hooked, anything less would be less than satisfactory :pac:, may sound silly but still a little over my budget right now, ideally I'd want the monthly repayment to be €500 or lower. I'm most likely antiquated in this view but I dislike having large monthly payments.

ELM327

I was in a M3P and it's 3.4 seconds vs 4.0 for mine. Slightly faster but the car is not as nice. Smaller, cheaper feeling etc
500 a month would only get you an SR+ though.

colm_mcm

Curious, how much is insurance on your Model S?

Idbatterim

I get the financial argument, I probably warn people the most here about cost and depreciation. You wouldnt just hold onto the bm for another year or two and get the tesla then? In this first year if you dont buy the audi, you are likely looking at up to a ten k depreciation saving...

how much is a new model 3 performance?

Nonoperational

That A5 is nice. Personally still a massive fan of combustion engine Audis. I guess my next car will be at least a hybrid we will see. The one thing to consider from the UK is the 3rd year warranty isn’t valid in Irish dealers.

ELM327

colm_mcm wrote: »

Curious, how much is insurance on your Model S?

Approx 1k, but thats with a claim in 2017 and 2 penalty points
Cheaper than the 2009 Superb it replaced!

Creamy Goodness

Idbatterim wrote: »

I get the financial argument, I probably warn people the most here about cost and depreciation. You wouldnt just hold onto the bm for another year or two and get the tesla then? In this first year if you dont buy the audi, you are likely looking at up to a ten k depreciation saving...

how much is a new model 3 performance?

the bm is costing lots though, 20euro in oil every month (burns like crazy), the tyres will need to be replaced within the year that's another 400 (bloody runflats), service for it is minimum 300 euro, rear shocks replaced which was 200 + 100 labour. the year before something else cost 1500. I've definitely paid twice what I paid for it.

Model 3 P is roughly 68k.

The one thing to consider from the UK is the 3rd year warranty isn’t valid in Irish dealers.

Yup if I need to I'll go up to Belfast, 90 minutes and grab a rental if it needs to go in for long.

Idbatterim

Creamy Goodness wrote: »

the bm is costing lots though, 20euro in oil every month (burns like crazy), the tyres will need to be replaced within the year that's another 400 (bloody runflats), service for it is minimum 300 euro, rear shocks replaced which was 200 + 100 labour. the year before something else cost 1500. I've definitely paid twice what I paid for it.

Model 3 P is roughly 68k.



Yup if I need to I'll go up to Belfast, 90 minutes and grab a rental if it needs to go in for long.

ah ok, didnt realise they were 68k! my mechanic is brilliant does work for rates I wouldnt bother doing the work for myself, based near dundrum, if you want his details, pm me... If you were to keep the bm and get the work done. Whats the bm worty now with nct? 1k?

your driving route would be fine for diesel I reckon... you wouldnt for for a used model s?