European racism vs Asian racism

mr_fegelien

People always say Europe is racist towards immigrants and in particular African/Muslim migrants but I think not.

I'm an immigrant and I can honestly say that although I've been called the odd name by a drunk, I've been far more racially abused when I was in the UAE, Argentina, and India than I was in any European country.

Many impoverished countries have bigger issues with racial/ethnic intolerance than the West. I wonder why the media never highlights this.

Woke Hogan

Why would the Western media give a ****e about Eastern racism? Cop on to yourself.

Irishphotodesk

mr_fegelien wrote: »

People always say Europe is racist towards immigrants and in particular African/Muslim migrants but I think not.

I'm an immigrant and I can honestly say that although I've been called the odd name by a drunk, I've been far more racially abused when I was in the UAE, Argentina, and India than I was in any European country.

Many impoverished countries have bigger issues with racial/ethnic intolerance than the West. I wonder why the media never highlights this.

Are you seriously asking why the media never highlight your personal experiences of racist behaviours.... Have you told them ?

If you are speaking about racism in general in other countries....why would a media outlet discuss/highlight something that happens in another country to a person that isn't their own citizen (you said you are an immigrant, I assume you are not Irish).... The Irish media are concerned with people in Ireland, stories involving Irish people, do you think the media would have been interested in the girl who's body was found yesterday if she was African...no....because she has links to Ireland, it's worthy of coverage, do you think the media in USA are reporting on the case?, No, media in Spain, no. I doubt very much that outside of Ireland/England or possibly KL the case is not covered.

As a side note, I wonder will the French government seek to extradite the people allegedly involved in her disappearance ?

fergiesfolly

Any one race citing racism in another race is basically pot, kettle, black.
We're all doing it. If we're going to point the finger, we should point it at ourselves first.

Danzy

There will never again be a society as tolerant or inclusive as Western Europe or North America was over the last 50 years.

Not perfect but far ahead of the rest.

fergiesfolly

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Any one race citing racism in another race is basically pot, kettle, black.
We're all doing it. If we're going to point the finger, we should point it at ourselves first.

I don't understand this whatsoever.

Woke Hogan

Danzy wrote: »

There will never again be a society as tolerant or inclusive as Western Europe or North America was over the last 50 years.

Not perfect but far ahead of the rest.

I presume you mean countries like Belize and Jamaica in that?

Samuel Vimes

mr_fegelien wrote: »

People always say Europe is racist towards immigrants and in particular African/Muslim migrants but I think not.

I'm an immigrant and I can honestly say that although I've been called the odd name by a drunk, I've been far more racially abused when I was in the UAE, Argentina, and India than I was in any European country.

Many impoverished countries have bigger issues with racial/ethnic intolerance than the West. I wonder why the media never highlights this.

So you use a Nazi username ( you confirm that you chose on purpose in a post on another thread) and your posting history shows you are no more an immigrant than I am , so whats your story-shítestirring or thanks whoring?

TomSweeney

mr_fegelien wrote: »

People always say Europe is racist towards immigrants and in particular African/Muslim migrants but I think not.

I'm an immigrant and I can honestly say that although I've been called the odd name by a drunk, I've been far more racially abused when I was in the UAE, Argentina, and India than I was in any European country.

Many impoverished countries have bigger issues with racial/ethnic intolerance than the West. I wonder why the media never highlights this.

People with brown skin can't be racist OP - apparently, it's the bigotry of low expectations.
This is nothing new.

Wibbs

Danzy wrote: »

There will never again be a society as tolerant or inclusive as Western Europe or North America was over the last 50 years.

Not perfect but far ahead of the rest.

On the "race" front Ancient Rome and the early Muslim caliphate were arguably more open and tolerant. They had prejudices of course, but more based on "us" and "not us", civilised/barbarian, and this wasn't based on skin colour. So a Romanised Black African would have been "one of us", whereas a White Gaul wouldn't be. Social segregation and ghettoisation along race, or religious, even economic factors was much less a thing too.

Modern European racism came on the back of the later slave trade and colonialism. It's less morally difficult to oppress those you decide are lesser and in need of colonial care and civilisation. If you view such peoples as equals then it's harder to claim superiority with a straight face. In the later slave trade things were very different to early versions like those in Rome. The vast majority of Roman slaves were the same "race" as their masters and they had more rights than African slaves in the US. Their children could become freemen and citizens and they made up a lot of the Roman administration. Which illustrates how differently they viewed slavery itself. That being a slave in itself did not mean the person or their family were by nature lesser people.

Tombo2001

OP

I get the point you are making for sure.

You go somewhere like India, and for sure there is horrendous racism. Or Mexico.

But it tends to get obscured by other issues - poverty primarily, mysoginy and so on.

Having said that, the most integrated country I have ever been to was a quite poor country - Cuba.

Most western media focus on:
- Domestic stories
- Stories happening in richer countries than their own, primarily the US.

Thats a seperate issue in its own right.

A car bomb in Pakistan that kills 20 people wont even make the papers here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_incidents_in_Pakistan_in_2018

Same thing happens in the States and its a major story in the Irish media.

Irish media dont tend to write about anything that happens in poor countries, and to a large extent that reflects how much people care about it.

To be fair - thats reflected all over the world, not just here.

Tombo2001

Wibbs wrote: »

On the "race" front Ancient Rome and the early Muslim caliphate were arguably more open and tolerant. They had prejudices of course, but more based on "us" and "not us", civilised/barbarian, and this wasn't based on skin colour. So a Romanised Black African would have been "one of us", whereas a White Gaul wouldn't be. Social segregation and ghettoisation along race, or religious, even economic factors was much less a thing too.

Modern European racism came on the back of the later slave trade and colonialism. It's less morally difficult to oppress those you decide are lesser and in need of colonial care and civilisation. If you view such peoples as equals then it's harder to claim superiority with a straight face. In the later slave trade things were very different to early versions like those in Rome. The vast majority of Roman slaves were the same "race" as their masters and they had more rights than African slaves in the US. Their children could become freemen and citizens and they made up a lot of the Roman administration. Which illustrates how differently they viewed slavery itself. That being a slave in itself did not mean the person or their family were by nature lesser people.

Thats interesting.

There is a long long history of anti semitic racism that is pretty well documented.

I guess the interaction between Europeans and Africans was miniscule until about 400 years ago.

Wibbs

Tombo2001 wrote: »

There is a long long history of anti semitic racism that is pretty well documented.

True T, though a very specific European context religious one.

I guess the interaction between Europeans and Africans was miniscule until about 400 years ago.

It had been pretty extensive around the Mediterranean for a very long time, but it was very different in nature. There was a trade in resources, but resources were rarely measured in people. Plus cheap labour in the form of slavery was everywhere and local, so not race based. If you said the word "slave" to a Roman he'd as likely have an image of a French prisoner of war or a Greek, but he'd also know free Greeks and French, so being Greek or French didn't mean slave as a thing. Say slave even today and the image is almost always going to be that of a Black African.

antix80

You know Ireland isn't a racist country when they have to set up a form to solicit claims of racist incidents..
https://www.ireport.ie/report-racist-incidents/

And a helpful service by "nascireland.org" which "logs all racist incidents reported to us on our database and on the national third party reporting system – iReport"

Using these excellent resources, you can claim to be a victim of racism regardless of your colour or creed, on the basis of: "offensive jokes", "Given poor service" or an incident that "was about something else, but racism came into it"

wakka12

Yeh its ridiculous. You have plenty of asian people who wouldnt even have the respect to reply to a person who was black or dark skinned yet white people who for the most part live in incredibly inclusive and tolerant societies are made out to be some kind of horribly racist group of people

the beer revolu

wakka12 wrote: »

Yeh its ridiculous. You have plenty of asian people who wouldnt even have the respect to reply to a person who was black or dark skinned yet white people who for the most part live in incredibly inclusive and tolerant societies are made out to be some kind of horribly racist group of people

Just because some people are more racist than us does not mean that as a society we do not have racism!

One eyed Jack

mr_fegelien wrote: »

People always say Europe is racist towards immigrants and in particular African/Muslim migrants but I think not.

It is? In any European country where there are a sub-population which differs from what we’ll call the homogeneous population, they are perceived as inferior and not to be trusted. Racism isn’t based upon nationalism, it’s based upon irrationalism, whether it be in Ireland, the UK, France, Germany, Spain, etc.

mr_fegelien wrote: »

I'm an immigrant and I can honestly say that although I've been called the odd name by a drunk, I've been far more racially abused when I was in the UAE, Argentina, and India than I was in any European country.

An anecdote which doesn’t say much really as it’s entirely based upon your own perception as opposed to anything even remotely approaching objectivity.

mr_fegelien wrote: »

Many impoverished countries have bigger issues with racial/ethnic intolerance than the West. I wonder why the media never highlights this.

They have the same issues to the same degree as the West. The media generally doesn’t highlight it because why would they? The Western media mostly reports on things that are happening in the West, that’s where their audience is. Their audience is not in UAE, Argentina, India or any of the many other either impoverished or extremely wealthy countries you’d care to mention.


You mentioned btw that you’re an immigrant. Do you mind me asking if you’re a white immigrant from Germany to Ireland? Because that would make sense as to why you rarely ever experienced racism in the West as opposed to the possibility of experiencing racism in countries where you stand out like a sore thumb.