Missionary with no medica training gives medical treatment to children and kills them

ILoveYourVibes

Renee Bach is an American woman who was home schooled to an American high school level of education.

She had zero medical training. Yet she went off to Uganda and decided she MUST have more intelligence and training than anyone in Uganda.

Obviously a white American is far more qualified than an Ugandan doctor with years of experience.

She preformed blood transfusions.she made diagnoses etc

She killed over 100 kids. She is being sued.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-citizen-went-uganda-help-kids-now-her-charity-n1035211


She lured children and mothers from properly run govt hospitals with proper African doctors. She didn't tell any of these mothers she had zero medical training.

The group No White Saviors runs an Instagram account with 194,000 followers and tries to raise awareness about the negative impact many "mainly white" aid workers have had on "black and brown communities in the name of charity or mission work." The activists have posted frequently about Bach’s case, citing the allegations as an example of the “white savior” complex — Westerners who move to poor countries to deliver aid even when they’re unqualified for the task.

I have a mate who is a qualified teacher who went to Africa he mentioned lots of people he was volunteering with had no educational background or any background with kids and some were not even vetted.

Had you told me someone was giving medical treatment with no qualifications though I wouldn't have believed it.

"I knew she was not trained, but she had this presence about her that you kind of just believed that she knew," Kramlich said of Bach.

Kramlich says her concerns grew as she realized Bach was not aware of refeeding syndrome — an electrolyte imbalance that occurs when malnourished children are offered food and drink too quickly, and which can be fatal if left untreated. Kramlich also says she witnessed Bach perform medical procedures herself, including measuring medication, starting IVs, and performing blood transfusions.

The final straw, Kramlich says, was when she witnessed a young girl named Patricia go into what she described as anaphylactic shock after Bach gave her a blood transfusion.

"I was horrified," she said. "I just thought, 'This is not about helping children, this is about you needing to be intimately involved in this for your own benefit,'" Kramlich said by telephone.

Now she is saying she never gave medical treatment to kids personally nor tried to stop them going to proper Ugandan public hospitals with real Doctors that would treat them for free. Yet on her blog written in the first person she would refer to treatments she was giving them.

And there is photographic evidence.




What a ****ing LOOPER!

ILoveYourVibes

Sorry could mods move this to CA? Thanks

Edit : thanks mods.

Deebles McBeebles

Were you worried this thread would become too racist for AH?

ILoveYourVibes

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Were you worried this thread would become too racist for AH?

Yes. Wouldn't you be?

And also it is current affairs anyways.

Feisar

God I thought I'd never say this however...

As a (new) father that black and white pic sent a chill down my spine.

ILoveYourVibes

This savior complex thing is really something people need to be aware of.

Plus our own inner prejudices against someone's expertise because of where they come from.

One eyed Jack

To be honest, it looks to me like objectors to her work have their own political motives for doing so as opposed to any concern for children’s welfare. That’s not to say her objectors aren’t concerned for children’s welfare or the people of Uganda, but they too have their own motives and saviour complex going on.

ILoveYourVibes

One eyed Jack wrote: »

To be honest, it looks to me like objectors to her work have their own political motives for doing so as opposed to any concern for children’s welfare. That’s not to say her objectors aren’t concerned for children’s welfare or the people of Uganda, but they too have their own motives and saviour complex going on.

The objectors to her work are two mothers whom she told not to go to a Ugandan public hospital but to her clinic because she had better supplies and then she killed their children.

They are suing her.

We can't allow volunteers with zero experience to present themselves in foreign countries as something they are not.

There were no doctors in her clinic.

She had zero education except for homeschooling and no medical training. Its clear from the pictures she was preforming medical procedures. She preformed blood transfusions.

She told mothers her clinic had better people than the Ugandan Drs they could have gone to. She had zero Doctors working at her clinic.

She had ONE nurse. That was it. That nurse has some serious questions to answer for too.

It shouldn't take a nurse too long to figure out she had zero idea of what she was talking about.

Sending volunteers who know what they are doing and have the correct skills is wonderful. Sending people with zero skills into placements where its safe for their level of experience is also wonderful. This was clearly neither of those situations.

One eyed Jack

Totally get where you’re coming from, and yeah of course you’re right like, but this has more political undertones to it than simply a case of yet another Mother Teresa effort. I looked up Primah Kwagala who is head of the Women’s Probono Initiative, and it would be difficult to present her as the face of an ill-educated mother in desperate need of help for her children, so there’s a different narrative being peddled and this Christian home-schooled Western woman with a white saviour complex that plays well with social justice types and slacktivists.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Totally get where you’re coming from, and yeah of course you’re right like, but this has more political undertones to it than simply a case of yet another Mother Teresa effort. I looked up Primah Kwagala who is head of the Women’s Probono Initiative, and it would be difficult to present her as the face of an ill-educated mother in desperate need of help for her children, so there’s a different narrative being peddled and this Christian home-schooled Western woman with a white saviour complex that plays well with social justice types and slacktivists.

what? the agency she works for is representing them free of charge. and from that you assume it must be politically motivated?

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what? the agency she works for is representing them free of charge. and from that you assume it must be politically motivated?

Yes? You appear to think that’s unusual?

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Yes? You appear to think that’s unusual?

what, lawyers working pro bono for clients who otherwise could not afford justice? no, that is not unusual.

jam_mac_jam

I don't think it matters if its politically motivated, if somebody is operating a clinic without medical training then she needs to be in prison. Hopefully in Uganda. This is disgusting. Horror film stuff. I haven't heard about this story before so I will need to research this more but if half of this is true its horrific.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

what, lawyers working pro bono for clients who otherwise could not afford justice? no, that is not unusual.

That’s not how you worded your post the first time though, is it? I would have agreed with you the way you presented your first post if you had said it wasn’t unusual that lawyers would represent people who couldn’t otherwise afford it if representing those people enabled them to further their own perception of social justice. You didn’t say that though, and I can think of no better example of the phenomenon than the two lawyers who represented Norma McCorvey in Roe V Wade -


McCorvey would later assert that she had been the "pawn" of two young and ambitious lawyers (Weddington and Coffee) who were looking for a plaintiff with whom they could challenge the Texas state law prohibiting abortion.


Turned out well for those lawyers, not so well for McCorvey, kinda like Facebooks “altruistic” motives in wanting to bring free internet access to rural India. The people of India as much as said “ehh, no, you’re fine thanks, we’re not that desperate”, because they knew it would be a walled-garden internet from Facebooks perspective, long before Indian regulators told Facebook to naff off -

Why India snubbed Facebook's free Internet offer


Facebook deny of course that their efforts are commercial, that they are humanitarian. Well, they would say that, in the same way as a Western educated Ugandan lawyer with political aspirations and their own agenda would point fingers at the White Christian walking South Park meme. I can’t remember the exact episode but basically the premise of it was that these missionaries were portrayed as making out that the children could sustain themselves on the Bible instead of food. Classic South Park stuff basically

In short, yes, I do believe there are political motivations behind this conflict of ideologies and both sides can claim to be the benign party coming to the aid of people who are suffering, portraying their efforts as humanitarian.

If ever the expression “no such thing as a free lunch” were more appropriate in these circumstances, it also applies to medicine, education and legal representation.

Beta Ray Bill

Article says malnourished kids 119 died.
She says her "group" has a 96% success rate are treating malnutrition

Note: Uganda has a huge malnutrition problem.

Based on the above the 119 would probably have died anyway if they were arriving malnourished.
But based on "Her" stats 2975 were saved (probably take a pinch of salt with this)

Regardless missionaries have no business going to third world countries to spread their rubbish.
Either go there and help unconditionally or F**k off

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

That’s not how you worded your post the first time though, is it? I would have agreed with you the way you presented your first post if you had said it wasn’t unusual that lawyers would represent people who couldn’t otherwise afford it if representing those people enabled them to further their own perception of social justice. You didn’t say that though,

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post and just respond to this bit.

what? the agency she works for is representing them free of charge. and from that you assume it must be politically motivated?

The agency she works for being a group of lawyers who provide pro bono legal advice for people who otherwise could not afford it. so not really a massive leap from that to this

what, lawyers working pro bono for clients who otherwise could not afford justice? no, that is not unusual.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I'm going to ignore the rest of your post and just respond to this bit.

The agency she works for being a group of lawyers who provide pro bono legal advice for people who otherwise could not afford it. so not really a massive leap from that to this

It’s the way you framed your opinion as their motivation being to provide justice which made it sound like their motives are benign. They are not. Their motives in providing legal representation probono are no different than the motives of those who provide anything someone needs in furtherance of their own ideological beliefs.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It’s the way you framed your opinion as their motivation being to provide justice which made it sound like their motives are benign. They are not. Their motives in providing legal representation probono are no different than the motives of those who provide anything someone needs in furtherance of their own ideological beliefs.

that is assumption on your part for which you have presented no evidence.

Cookie_Monster

So why is she only being sued instead of arrested for multiple counts of murder / manslaughter

ILoveYourVibes

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

So why is she only being sued instead of arrested for multiple counts of murder / manslaughter

She would have to be extradited to Uganda. She is an American and she is white. Its not gonna happen.

ohnonotgmail

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

So why is she only being sued instead of arrested for multiple counts of murder / manslaughter

she is no longer in the country and the US will never extradite her. a trial is pointless. also, what she did definitely did not constitute murder and most likely did not constitute manslaughter. Practicing medicine without a licence and some sort of medical neglicence charge are most likely the offences committed.

ILoveYourVibes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she is no longer in the country and the US will never extradite her. a trial is pointless. also, what she did definitely did not constitute murder and most likely did not constitute manslaughter. Practicing medicine without a licence and some sort of medical neglicence charge are most likely the offences committed.

It is if she lured children away from real doctors so she could practice on them without a license.

ohnonotgmail

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

It is if she lured children away from real doctors so she could practice on them without a license.

i see what you are saying but proving manslaughter would be difficult. proving murder would be next to impossible unless you can prove she intended to kill them.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is assumption on your part for which you have presented no evidence.

No, it’s not an assumption on my part and I already presented evidence of her LinkedIn profile and the work done by the Women’s Probono Initiative, but here it is from the organisations own page - http://womenprobono.org/

The objectives for which we are established are:

To provide free legal services to women and girls who are suffering stigma, abuse, sex and gender-based violence in Uganda.

To generate research and knowledge on the management of women’s health in Uganda.

To educate and empower women and girls about their rights and train them to be advocates for better policies that affect their well‐being.

To mentor young female lawyers and inspire them to aspire to greater heights in the profession and beyond.


Of course their work advances their own cause. They’re no different to Ian Clarke who has done quite well for himself in politics and in Ugandan society.

Uganda is a beautiful country with some amazing people, but it’s also corrupt as fcuk :pac:

ILoveYourVibes

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i see what you are saying but proving manslaughter would be difficult. proving murder would be next to impossible unless you can prove she intended to kill them.

Yes I can see the legal difficulties.


She never would have attempted this is with white children.

She thought black children could do with whatever treatment etc.

I don't think she cared if they lived or died.

It was about her need to be involved. She is actually a sociopath when you think about it.

I bet she will try and get involved in something like this again.

ohnonotgmail

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No, it’s not an assumption on my part and I already presented evidence of her LinkedIn profile and the work done by the Women’s Probono Initiative, but here it is from the organisations own page - http://womenprobono.org/

The objectives for which we are established are:

To provide free legal services to women and girls who are suffering stigma, abuse, sex and gender-based violence in Uganda.

To generate research and knowledge on the management of women’s health in Uganda.

To educate and empower women and girls about their rights and train them to be advocates for better policies that affect their well‐being.

To mentor young female lawyers and inspire them to aspire to greater heights in the profession and beyond.


Of course their work advances their own cause. They’re no different to Ian Clarke who has done quite well for himself in politics and in Ugandan society.

Uganda is a beautiful country with some amazing people, but it’s also corrupt as fcuk :pac:

Those motives sound very benign to me. I see it as women who want to help other women. Or maybe i'm just not as cynical as you.

One eyed Jack

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Those motives sound very benign to me. I see it as women who want to help other women. Or maybe i'm just not as cynical as you.

You say that gmail like it’s a bad thing

ZX7R

This has the makings of a great movie,
If it's true and she is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of kids,it borderline serial killer stuff

ZX7R

This has the makings of a great movie,
If it's true and she is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of kids,it borderline serial killer stuff

ILoveYourVibes

ZX7R wrote: »

This has the makings of a great movie,
If it's true and she is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of kids,it borderline serial killer stuff

Its just a very sad story.

Imagine you are a baby brought to this lady because your mother loved you so much she wanted the best for you.

And you are subjected as a baby to needless pointless painful medical procedures all while this lady paints herself as a saint to the outside world. No one knows what your infant body is going through.

You are too young to understand. All you feel is this huge babyish need the need to be safe, the need for your mother. The need you can't cognate or verbalize. You need a real doctor. You have nothing to offer as a baby except this need.

And then you die. You will never see your mother again. And you will never live your life. You will never get to try for your dreams.

And the lady who made that happen wants to call herself your saviour.

This case is the last cry of those babies that Renee Bach ignored. And people need to hear it.