Not received logbook after VRT

aronhughes24

I brought my car into Ireland about a year ago and paid the vrt within the 30 days that you’re given...
Now I have a problem. It’s been a year and I’ve been working on the car with my son to get it road worthy and now I want to gift it to my son...Although I didn’t realize you had to pay the tax to get the logbook and now they want me to pay a year 1000 euro back tax.
How could I get the logbook to give it to my son?
The car hasn’t been driven since I brought it into the country.

michellie

You should have declared it off the road when you registered it. Not sure what can be done now, I dont think you can use the usual 'sell it to someone and be off the hook' on this occasion.

You have to tax it to get the log book.

sp9612

Hi Aaron, did you get around this? Same situation myself, vrtd the car a year ago and it was never taxed. Dont want to back tax it obviously.

Did you manage to get around it?

Theres a form online for people who bought a car without a logbook to fill out and then they get signed by a guards and then they get the logbook sent out. Only possible way I thought may work.

Or ring and explain the car hasn't been on the road and I'm selling it could they sent the log book out

You can't declare a vehicle off the road unless it's currently taxed. You have to declare it in advance of expiry, in the same month that the current tax disc expires.

On a change of ownership the tax has to be paid before the new logbook issues to the new owner. Edit: I was apparently wrong about this see post correcting me below.

There is an exception when you acquire a vehicle. Then you have 21 days from when you bought/ownership transferred to declare it off the road . Once that expires you would have to tax it for at least 3 months, and declare it off the road within the last month of that period.

As you already know, on import you have to tax the vehicle to get the logbook in the first place. I don't know if they would have accepted a declaration that it will be off the road in lieu of that, but that's immaterial now.

Unfortunately you are going to be hit for the back tax. They can also apply a 10% penalty to the arrears.

You will have to tax the vehicle (minimum 3 months), and pay the arrears plus any interest, to get the logbook.

If you talk nicely to them they might waive the 10% penalty.

ianob7

ecoli3136 wrote:

On a change of ownership the tax has to be paid before the new logbook issues to the new owner.

This is not true

ianob7

ianob7 wrote: »

This is not true

Fair enough. My point is that when the vehicle is next sought to be taxed, they will look for any arrears due on it.

ianob7

ecoli3136 wrote:

Fair enough. My point is that when the vehicle is next sought to be taxed, they will look for any arrears due on it.

Only if the owner who accumulated the arrears renews the tax.

Whenever you buy a car without tax you will be charged tax from the 1st of the month of purchase. Also within 21 days of purchase you can declare the vehicle off the road

9935452

sp9612 wrote: »

Hi Aaron, did you get around this? Same situation myself, vrtd the car a year ago and it was never taxed. Dont want to back tax it obviously.

Did you manage to get around it?

Theres a form online for people who bought a car without a logbook to fill out and then they get signed by a guards and then they get the logbook sent out. Only possible way I thought may work.

Or ring and explain the car hasn't been on the road and I'm selling it could they sent the log book out

Get one of the old transfer of ownership forms. It might say pre 93 but it can be used.
Use it to transfer the ownership and then tax the car to get the logbook.

I did that a few years ago with a 08 honda that was never taxed before and therefore had no logbook

ianob7

ianob7 wrote: »

Only if the owner who accumulated the arrears renews the tax.

Whenever you buy a car without tax you will be charged tax from the 1st of the month of purchase. Also within 21 days of purchase you can declare the vehicle off the road

Again fair enough. The liability does rest with the registered owner who built up the arrears.

sp9612

Also found this online

"Change of Ownership prior to first taxing of the vehicle.

In the case of a vehicle being sold on but has not been taxed since first registration, the seller sends their RF100 form (form which was got when vehicle was bought new from a garage or from Revenue when imported) to Shannon together with Form RF200 completed and signed by seller and buyer, Shannon will then enter the new owners details on the system and enter the Date of Sale. An amended Form RF100 will issue to the new owner who will be liable for tax only from the Date of Sale and not the Date of Registration as used to be the case."

So basically, get an RF200 form and put someones details on it, send it off along with the RF100 I got when I VRTd the car and they will send it out to the "new owner"

Guy:Incognito

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Again fair enough. The liability does rest with the registered owner who built up the arrears.

Theres no liability once its transferred. The old owner doesn't pay the arrears, they go away.

colm_mcm

In the case of a car which has never been taxed though?

Guy:Incognito

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Theres no liability once its transferred. The old owner doesn't pay the arrears, they go away.

Are you sure?

https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/1ba443-motor-taxvehicle-registration/#change-of-vehicle-ownership

That's from July 2019 and is I believe still current. Quoting the relevant section of the document here :

"There are obligations on both the sellers and buyers of vehicles to comply with the procedures for notification of vehicle ownership and there are penalties, upon conviction, for non compliance. The onus is on the seller to ensure that the necessary documentation relating to a change of ownership is completed. A registered owner must be recorded against each vehicle and in the event of failure to establish the correct credentials of a new owner the seller’s name remains on record. That person remains liable for any charges which arise in relation to the vehicle including motor tax and any penalties which may be incurred (parking, traffic violations etc.)."

Guy:Incognito

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Are you sure?

https://www.gov.ie/en/policy-information/1ba443-motor-taxvehicle-registration/#change-of-vehicle-ownership

That's from July 2019 and is I believe still current. Quoting the relevant section of the document here :

"There are obligations on both the sellers and buyers of vehicles to comply with the procedures for notification of vehicle ownership and there are penalties, upon conviction, for non compliance. The onus is on the seller to ensure that the necessary documentation relating to a change of ownership is completed. A registered owner must be recorded against each vehicle and in the event of failure to establish the correct credentials of a new owner the seller’s name remains on record. That person remains liable for any charges which arise in relation to the vehicle including motor tax and any penalties which may be incurred (parking, traffic violations etc.)."

No one has ever been pursued for motor tax arrears following the sale of a car afaik.

Theres hoards of people on this forum alone changing owners on their cars to make arrears disappear.

L-M

Could you not just pay 12 euro and apply for a “Replacment” logbook?

colm_mcm

L-M wrote: »

Could you not just pay 12 euro and apply for a “Replacment” logbook?

There is no logbook to get a replacement of though

L-M

colm_mcm wrote: »

There is no logbook to get a replacement of though

I’m nearly 100 percent sure someone on here did that before.

I would assume the reason you get a logbook is because the taxing of it triggers the ownership to take effect. The car belong to you, so applying for the certificate should work.

Are they not going to know that there was never any logbook issued, so a request from the original owner for a replacement would be refused and they'd look for it to be registered, VRT paid up etc

From what the lads are saying, somebody who "buys" it might be in a position to put in for a logbook on the basis that they bought it and the seller hasn't provided it etc...