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Trump announces a withdrawal from Afghanistan

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Those Taliban lads are quite reasonable.
    This is a good news story...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Reckon the Chinese will be the next to have a go after decades of the two other superpowers.
    This will help his ratings anyway, has just gone below evens odds, to win again in 2020.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Sharp MZ700


    Was she a looker?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,671 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Pulling out of Afghanistan...... So he can go to war with Iran?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Reckon the Chinese will be the next to have a go after decades of the two other superpowers.

    I fully support the Chinese decision to go into Afghanistan. G'wan lads, 'ave a butchers. See where Alexander, Britain, Russia and the United States failed in that order.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Was she a looker?

    She looked good from Afar but far from good looking.
    Virgin territory but impossible to work with, Chinese will be in there for sloppy seconds thinking that the Americans softened the Afghans up. The reality is, its easy to go into Afghanistan but hard to get out of!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring2


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Pulling out of Afghanistan...... So he can go to war with Iran?

    He can't win. The Taliban will likely take over the country when they are gone- the Pakistan military would have to stop them and thats unlikely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    the Pakistan military would have to stop them and thats unlikely?

    There funded and trained by Pakistani intelligence and military services amongst others .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    I fully support the Chinese decision to go into Afghanistan. G'wan lads, 'ave a butchers. See where Alexander, Britain, Russia and the United States failed in that order.

    America never wanted to conquer Afghanistan ,it's widely believed if they actually put larger forces and bases closer to the Pakistan border they might have had a better chance as well as letting the Pakistanis away with murder from day one ,
    They literally took every chance to rape the Americans from behind .
    And the yanks were forced to take it and say please and thank you


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    When I say I'm pulling out I don't always mean it. So ya never know.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    When I say I'm pulling out I don't always mean it. So ya never know.

    What has he said that he hasnt done?
    Fixed the economy
    Talked down North Korea
    Moved the embassy to Jerusalem
    Infrastructure projects are in the tube.
    Trade war with China and Canada
    Wall with mexico and tightening up on immigration.
    Out of Afghanistan.
    Won in Syria.
    Peace with Russia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    What has he said that he hasnt done?
    Fixed the economy
    Talked down North Korea
    Moved the embassy to Jerusalem
    Infrastructure projects are in the tube.
    Trade war with China and Canada
    Wall with mexico and tightening up on immigration.
    Out of Afghanistan.
    Won in Syria.
    Peace with Russia.

    Twas a joke....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭q85dw7osi4lebg


    Fixed economy ? Fed just cut rates and states will be in a recession within 6 months.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Fixed economy ? Fed just cut rates and states will be in a recession within 6 months.

    Can I take that to the bank?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,376 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Great strategy, massively increase numbers in 2017 and then pull them out 2 years later making it look like you accomplished something https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-afghanistan-troop-surge-complete-raising-total-number-us-servicemen-714588


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,608 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Twas a joke....

    So was the response it got.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    Eveytime the yanks want to pull out Afghanistan grabs it by the ass and keeps it in. The taliban wouldn't control all that land without local support from the population, or external support with arms, money ect. If China or any country did go in surely making peace with the taliban would give then major leverage.

    The problem with the yanks is they used the taliban are bad excuse to invade so therfore they couldn't make peace with them or it will seem like they failed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Limpy wrote: »
    Eveytime the yanks want to pull out Afghanistan grabs it by the ass and keeps it in. The taliban wouldn't control all that land without local support from the population, or external support with arms, money ect. If China or any country did go in surely making peace with the taliban would give then major leverage.

    The problem with the yanks is they used the taliban are bad excuse to invade so therfore they couldn't make peace with them or it will seem like they failed.

    Nobody has ever gone into Afghanistan with peaceful intent. China will arrive with flowers like in Tibet but that will quickly change. Chinese have a much lower tolerance of Islam than America


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    Great strategy, massively increase numbers in 2017 and then pull them out 2 years later making it look like you accomplished something https://www.newsweek.com/trumps-afghanistan-troop-surge-complete-raising-total-number-us-servicemen-714588

    That was the same strategy with Iraq


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,773 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Limpy wrote: »
    Eveytime the yanks want to pull out Afghanistan grabs it by the ass and keeps it in. The taliban wouldn't control all that land without local support from the population, or external support with arms, money ect. If China or any country did go in surely making peace with the taliban would give then major leverage.

    The problem with the yanks is they used the taliban are bad excuse to invade so therfore they couldn't make peace with them or it will seem like they failed.

    The Taliban are not supported by the majority of Afghanistani's. If Sept 11th had not happened, and the US had not invaded, most likely by now, they would be gone. While they were welcomed in the beginning because they stopped all the warring factions, and brought peace, but that soon changed when their method's of ruling became known.Even after the death of Shah Masood, the North never accepted the Taliban.They still don't. After the US invaded, you could find lots of burnt out Taliban vehicle's on the road to Kandahar, and most were caused by local's, fed up with the cruelty of the Talibs, and were taking their revenge.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    What has he said that he hasnt done?
    Fixed the economy
    Talked down North Korea
    Moved the embassy to Jerusalem
    Infrastructure projects are in the tube.
    Trade war with China and Canada
    Wall with mexico and tightening up on immigration.
    Out of Afghanistan.
    Won in Syria.
    Peace with Russia.

    The economy was 'fixed' before he took office, no he's just trebled the national debt to make the boom boomier.
    North Korea are still firing missiles.
    Moving the embassy to Jerusalem isn't a good thing.
    There's no wall because he knows he can't get a wall.
    He's pulling out of Afghanistan so he can threaten to go to war with Iran.
    All of those dead civilians in Syria are a big 'win' alright.
    Russia has him by the short and curlies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,753 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Trump is announced he is pulling out of Afghanistan. This is the first positive strategy on Afghanistan in 3 administrations.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7316207/Donald-Trump-confirms-planning-massive-Afghanistan-pullout-amid-peace-talks-Taliban.html?ico=pushly-notifcation-small


    Another "war" the yanks can add to the lost list.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Faugheen wrote: »
    The economy was 'fixed' before he took office, no he's just trebled the national debt to make the boom boomier.
    North Korea are still firing missiles.
    Moving the embassy to Jerusalem isn't a good thing.
    There's no wall because he knows he can't get a wall.
    He's pulling out of Afghanistan so he can threaten to go to war with Iran.
    All of those dead civilians in Syria are a big 'win' alright.
    Russia has him by the short and curlies.

    As soon as he entered office the stock market rose.
    The economy was far from fixed it was propping up dead firms under Obama that should have been left fail.
    Well wasnt there an explosion that took out about 200 of their nuclear scientists?
    He did what he said he was going to and moved the embassy what presidents since Clinton were promising. Clinton was also promising a wall.
    Invading Afghanistan was never a good idea except for the Calton group and Haliburton, any exit from Afghanistan is a good idea. It is just one of those parts of the world that is a money pit and completely ungovernable.
    Once the USA and Russia co-ordinated strikes and took out supply lines Raqqua and Alleppo fell.
    How have Russia got him by the short and curlies. If anything Russia has Europe by the short and curlies since the late 70's with the gas pipeline?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    What has he said that he hasnt done?
    Fixed the economy
    Talked down North Korea
    Moved the embassy to Jerusalem
    Infrastructure projects are in the tube.
    Trade war with China and Canada
    Wall with mexico and tightening up on immigration.
    Out of Afghanistan.
    Won in Syria.
    Peace with Russia.


    Released his tax returns.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Another "war" the yanks can add to the lost list.

    Korea? Stalemate
    Vietnam? The NVA were within a week of giving up at the end so that was a stalemate.
    Grenada? Won
    Panama? Won
    First Gulf war? Won
    Somalia? no resolution will ever be found there
    Former Yugoslavia ? they got the result they wanted
    Iraq ? That was won after Petraeus took over and the American just withdrew.
    Afghanistan? Nobody ever won there..... hence I am welcoming the Chinese in
    Libya? There is another agenda afoot there...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Released his tax returns.

    Been done. Talk about the Clintons and Denis O'Brien in Haiti? Never


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭the dark phantom


    Whos gonna control the heroin then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Been done. Talk about the Clintons and Denis O'Brien in Haiti? Never


    Hey, look over there, it's something completely unrelated to what was just discussed!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Whos gonna control the heroin then

    When a guy arrives in your village in a nice shiny suit flanked by PMCs with a big old case of money you arent going to ask too many questions.

    "We will be back in 6 months to collect the opium crop, Half now half on delivery". Its easier to say yes.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 2,176 ✭✭✭ToBeFrank123


    I have a feeling this is just another bluff. He'll reduce the numbers until the next election and if he wins will send them all back to Afghanistan.

    He threathened something similar with Syria but later changed his mind.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Hey, look over there, it's something completely unrelated to what was just discussed!

    No its not. The tax returns have nothing to do with the Presidency and he did release them. He does communicate his agenda by twitter, where as those 30000 emails on a private server......?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    No its not. The tax returns have nothing to do with the Presidency and he did release them. He does communicate his agenda by twitter, where as those 30000 emails on a private server......?


    Ah I see, you're one of those fanatics immune to truth. You seem to think criticism of Clinton is some response. I couldn't care less if Clinton went to jail for hiding emails. Ivanka and Jared will probably be joining her.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Ah I see, you're one of those fanatics immune to truth. Ivanka and Jared will probably be joining her.

    I am not immune to Trumps failings. He has many failings but he was surely a better choice that Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, any third generation washed out Kennedy or Paul Ryan. He has had a few considerable failures (NFL, Vodka, Steak,Airline, University, Atlantic city). He has also clawed his way back to the top from failures


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,341 ✭✭✭emo72


    He's fierce popular over there. It's the rest of the world that doesn't like him. People I know in America love him. And they're not rednecks. It's the media that's clouding our judgement.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    emo72 wrote: »
    He's fierce popular over there. It's the rest of the world that doesn't like him. People I know in America love him. And they're not rednecks. It's the media that's clouding our judgement.

    He is disrupting the natural order of things by not acknowledging the mainstream media. Didnt he give away the CNN seat at the white house press conference?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    I am not immune to Trumps failings. He has many failings but he was surely a better choice that Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, Ted Cruz, any third generation washed out Kennedy or Paul Ryan. He has had a few considerable failures (NFL, Vodka, Steak,Airline, University, Atlantic city). He has also clawed his way back to the top from failures


    He's caused untold amounts of long term damage to the US. His failings will be felt for decades.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    Nobody has ever gone into Afghanistan with peaceful intent. China will arrive with flowers like in Tibet but that will quickly change. Chinese have a much lower tolerance of Islam than America


    Because like any country they want to be left alone. Govern for themself's. If they pick an ally someone else will side with the opposition. Except in that country it usually means bloodshed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,280 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    When it was george bush and obama the concensus was that the US should leave afghanistan , Before the election everyone called donald trump a war monger and now that he’s in office, people detest him so much that they’d rather a war continues just because ‘everything he does has to be wrong’

    What kind of clown world are we living in, this is a good thing, its a good thing that they leave , whatever about anything else, just give the guy credit for doing the thing the last 3 presidential terms (2 presidents)should have done.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    Come back when he does withdraw. Right now he's just playing to his audience.

    If he does he'll deserve credit. But it's all small talk untill then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    I fully support the Chinese decision to go into Afghanistan. G'wan lads, 'ave a butchers. See where Alexander, Britain, Russia and the United States failed in that order.

    Except the Chinese will go in with cheque books and projects of mutual benefit, not bombs to destroy everything..and they will keep out of Afghanistan's politics.

    Something the ones you list above never had brains enough to try.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Limpy wrote: »
    Come back when he does withdraw. Right now he's just playing to his audience.

    If he does he'll deserve credit. But it's all small talk untill then.

    That will happen in the run up to the next election. If he does do it, will that change your opinion of him. Do you Judge Nixon for withdrawing from Vietnam?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    archer22 wrote: »
    Except the Chinese will go in with cheque books and projects of mutual benefit, not bombs to destroy everything..and they will keep out of Afghanistan's politics.

    Something the ones you list above never had brains enough to try.

    Soviets tried that approach at the start. They built schools hospitals etc etc. Its the Mullahs that didnt like it as their power was taken away. Look how that ended up.

    Best advice from a Soviet commander in Afghanistan to the Americans? "Get out as fast as you can"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Soviets tried that approach at the start. They built schools hospitals etc etc. Its the Mullahs that didnt like it as their power was taken away. Look how that ended up.

    Best advice from a Soviet commander in Afghanistan to the Americans? "Get out as fast as you can"

    In fairness the Soviets got involved in politics..they supported one of the factions there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    archer22 wrote: »
    Except the Chinese will go in with cheque books and projects of mutual benefit, not bombs to destroy everything..and they will keep out of Afghanistan's politics.

    Something the ones you list above never had brains enough to try.

    It's can see it happening completely differently.

    The Chinese will be absolutely brutal if they go in because they don't give a **** about human rights. This includes the rights of their own soldiers.

    They'll try to win through sheer numbers and cruelty. It'll send an message to all the other world powers that they aren't to be messed with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    archer22 wrote: »
    In fairness the Soviets got involved in politics..they supported one of the factions there.

    You have to deal with people at some stage. Afghanistan is a country best left to its own devices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    It's can see it happening completely differently.

    The Chinese will be absolutely brutal if they go in because they don't give a **** about human rights. This includes the rights of their own soldiers.

    They'll try to win through sheer numbers and cruelty. It'll send an message to all the other world powers that they aren't to be messed with.

    Oh C'mon that's just western "yellow peril" propaganda!.

    The Chinese are doing fine in Africa and are more welcome than old whitey ever was there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    It's can see it happening completely differently.

    The Chinese will be absolutely brutal if they go in because they don't give a **** about human rights. This includes the rights of their own soldiers.

    They'll try to win through sheer numbers and cruelty. It'll send an message to all the other world powers that they aren't to be messed with.

    When have the Chinese ever adopted those tactics?
    Apparts from Mao, World War 1&2, Korea, Vietnam, Tibet..... just waiting for Africa to kick off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    archer22 wrote: »
    The Chinese are doing fine in Africa and are more welcome than old whitey ever was there.

    The Chinese are like bankers, they will lend you their coat on a fine day and ask you for it back on the wet day. The Chinese are not a crowd to be underestimated. "1 Billion chinese cannot be wrong"


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