Smart keyless door locks

Muahahaha

Im looking for a decent smart door lock that 1) has a keypad for PIN entry 2) Has fobs/RFID entry and (hopefully) also a manual keyhole in case the battery failed.

So far all Ive come across that is close is the Yale Keyless Smart lock here https://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/products/smart-living/smart-door-locks/keyless-smart-door-lock/ but it says it is only compatible with backset nightlatches whereas the door Im ordering will be multi point locking so their smart lock is not compatible according to that page.

I've come across some unknown brands for very cheap (€70) but am unsure of them. Anyone know a reputable product that will fit the above criteria?

ted1

Muahahaha wrote: »

Im looking for a decent smart door lock that 1) has a keypad for PIN entry 2) Has fobs/RFID entry and (hopefully) also a manual keyhole in case the battery failed.

So far all Ive come across that is close is the Yale Keyless Smart lock here https://www.yale.co.uk/en/yale/couk/products/smart-living/smart-door-locks/keyless-smart-door-lock/ but it says it is only compatible with backset nightlatches whereas the door Im ordering will be multi point locking so their smart lock is not compatible according to that page.

I've come across some unknown brands for very cheap (€70) but am unsure of them. Anyone know a reputable product that will fit the above criteria?

This type ? https://www.diy.com/departments/yale-polished-brass-effect-conexis-l1-smart-lock/5011802277670_BQ.prd

Muahahaha

ted1 wrote: »

This type ? https://www.diy.com/departments/yale-polished-brass-effect-conexis-l1-smart-lock/5011802277670_BQ.prd

No, Im seeking something that has a keypad as well as fob entry. Would be a bonus if theres one with a manual key entry too but this feature seems rare with smart locks.

I did come across this one which has a keypad and fob entry. But have never heard of the brand plus its remarkably cheap, probably some aliexpress knock off or something
https://www.lightinthebox.com/en/p/door-lock-password-key-credit-card-unlocking-zinc-alloy-electronic-code-lock-os8818-for-hotel-home-office-villa_p6104259.html?currency=EUR&litb_from=paid_adwords_shopping&sku=1_47&country_code=ie&utm_source=google_shopping&utm_medium=cpc&adword_mt=&adword_ct=217383883436&adword_kw=&adword_pos=1o1&adword_pl=&adword_net=g&adword_tar=&adw_src_id=1463064549_854265349_46165420016_pla-375101670434&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzIjt7fjh4wIVwuF3Ch1RLAnBEAYYASABEgInwvD_BwE

Hoping to find what I need from a reputable locksmith company but the Yale version isnt compatible with my door.

bk

Some options to consider, the following all have support for a separate keypad:
- https://danalock.com/
- https://nuki.io/en/
- https://www.the-keys.eu/en/

Del2005

Is this for eternal doors, have you considered the insurance issues of using these locks?

bk

Del2005 wrote: »

Is this for eternal doors, have you considered the insurance issues of using these locks?

I'm not aware of any issues insurance companies have with these sort of doorlocks. Most homes have terrible locks, these would all be a step up over standard locks.

Del2005

bk wrote: »

I'm not aware of any issues insurance companies have with these sort of doorlocks. Most homes have terrible locks, these would all be a step up over standard locks.

Are they 4 or 5 lever locks? That's what most insurance policies require for external doors. The fact that they are better than locks than most locks doesn't matter if they don't meet insurance specifications.

Muahahaha

bk wrote: »

Some options to consider, the following all have support for a separate keypad:
- https://danalock.com/
- https://nuki.io/en/
- https://www.the-keys.eu/en/

Thanks bk, will check these out

Uriel.

bk wrote: »

Some options to consider, the following all have support for a separate keypad:
- https://danalock.com/
- https://nuki.io/en/
- https://www.the-keys.eu/en/

Bk do any of them or other such locks work with those front doors where you have to pull the handle up to engage the locks and then turn the key to lock. And when opening to hold the handle down and have the turned in the lock to open the door?

The keys lock on your list looks like the only one thst might work with such a door

Stoner

Uriel. wrote:

Bk do any of them or other such locks work with those front doors where you have to pull the handle up to engage the locks and then turn the key to lock. And when opening to hold the handle down and have the turned in the lock to open the door?

I haven't seen one do that, you are looking for the one to engage the top , bottom and mid locks I assume?

I've seen this done but it uses a solenoid for each lock with a single release

I'd imagine you could use a smart lock as that release with solenoid locks

Otherwise you are looking at an actuator to move that mechanism.

Uriel.

Stoner wrote: »

I haven't seen one do that, you are looking for the one to engage the top , bottom and mid locks I assume?

I've seen this done but it uses a solenoid for each lock with a single release

I'd imagine you could use a smart lock as that release with solenoid locks

Otherwise you are looking at an actuator to move that mechanism.

Hi stoner, that's pretty much it alright, thanks
Sounds like a complicated set up to achieve
Might be easier to replace the door

Davy

ted1 wrote: »

This type ? https://www.diy.com/departments/yale-polished-brass-effect-conexis-l1-smart-lock/5011802277670_BQ.prd

This link is the newer model without a keypad.
This is the model prior to this but its now discontinued but I'm sure you will find one somewhere. It works with multi-point locks like front doors or patio doors.


Its called 'Yale keyfree'. All the names are similar which causes confusion.
It has a keypad and key access under the sliding front compartment.




Possible buying option

Muahahaha

Thanks Davy, that lock has all the features Im after. Pricey enough at around €300 but still more preferable to buying some unknown brand for €100

bk

Del2005 wrote: »

Are they 4 or 5 lever locks? That's what most insurance policies require for external doors. The fact that they are better than locks than most locks doesn't matter if they don't meet insurance specifications.

It depends completely on the smart lock you are talking about.

Some smart locks simply make use of your existing lock, so whatever it was originally it will continue to be.

Other smart locks are keyless, so obviously they can't be a 5 lever lock, since they don't have a key.

Also the whole 5 lever mortice lock thing is more of a minimum standard for the traditional type of locks found in the UK/Ireland. For instance such locks can only be fitted to wooden doors. So what if your doors are PVC, composite, etc?

Most modern homes these days come with Eurocyclinder locks and multi point locking systems, which offer far greater security then old fashioned timer door with a 5 lever mortice lock.

Of course you should check with your insurance company, but it definitely isn't as simple as a requirement for a 5 lever mortice lock anymore. For instance here is Allianz Insurance policy:

https://www.allianz.ie/home-insurance/cover_info/Household-Policy-Document-0714-.pdf

Under conditions:

E01 – Security precautions
1 It is a condition of your Policy that:(a) all external doors are fitted with appropriate door locks

Note it doesn't say the type of lock, just to use it.

Under "Safety Precautions":

All external doors Fit five-lever mortice deadlocks (or their equivalent) to all external doors and you should lock these doors even if you are out for just a short time.

Note, this is under precautions, but not required and also note "(or their equivalent)".