New Movie Irishman- JFK and Hoffa conspiracy!

Cheerful Spring2

New Trailer out looks good. Its about Frank Sheeran a renowned hitman for the mafia and mob. He is allegedly the killer of Jimmy Hoffa. He also confessed to know who killed JFK. He said three guns were handed over to three hitmen by David Ferrie, just some of things he said. Since it looks like the film goes deep into the conspiracy, decided to made a new thread.

greenspurs

The book is a great read too... I read it last year.

The Nal

Yeah really looking forward to this one. Scorsese, De Niro, Pacino, Pesci. Whats not to like!

Effects

I didn't really get a great sense of anticipation from the trailer myself.

The Nal

Effects wrote: »

I didn't really get a great sense of anticipation from the trailer myself.

Didn't give a whole lot away. Doubt they'll go down the JFK conspiracy theory route anyway. That conspiracy is fairly dead now.

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

Didn't give a whole lot away. Doubt they'll go down the JFK conspiracy theory route anyway. That conspiracy is fairly dead now.

I think they will however short or long it is. You can see Robert Niro staring at the tv Kennedy funeral and wife face had a worried look he was involved or knew something.Still only a film though, but is based on real character who claimed the mafia was involved in JFK killing, even mafia figures bosses have admitted they were involved.

Oswald uncle was involved with the Mafia in New Orleans. Oswald has links to US intelligence and the Mafia growing up. You totally disregard Oswald was stationed in CIA counter-intelligence base in Japan, years before he killed Kennedy.

The Nal

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

even mafia figures bosses have admitted they were involved.

"Claimed", not "admitted". James Files has also claimed he was involved.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Oswald uncle was involved with the Mafia in New Orleans.

In what way exactly. And, so what?

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

You totally disregard Oswald was stationed in CIA counter-intelligence base in Japan, years before he killed Kennedy.

Thats simply not true. As an 18 year old marine he was a radio operator at Atsugi Naval Air Facility.

Nice stories but not tenuous links and zero evidence. Zero.

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

"Claimed", not "admitted". James Files has also claimed he was involved.



In what way exactly. And, so what?



Thats simply not true. As an 18 year old marine he was a radio operator at Atsugi Naval Air Facility.

Nice stories but not tenuous links and zero evidence. Zero.

James Files was a mob soldier and hitman, not a Mafia boss.

His uncle worked as a bookmarker for Carlos Marcello mafia outfit, one of Mafia bosses linked to JFK murder. Oswald grew up around these people in his early life. Unlike you i believe Ruby A Marcello mob/mafia connected guy- killing Oswald is actually a significant part of the case.

He was not just a normal radio operator, he was using state of the art equipment tracking U-2 flights over Soviet Union held territory. You don't get to do this kind of work if you not trained in counter intelligence methods and operations, and most of these operations in 60s were controlled by CIA operators and controllers.

The Nal

Yup. So no evidence then.

Cheerful Spring2

The Nal wrote: »

Yup. So no evidence then.

There a entire thread of evidence.

all_names_gone

Sheeran did at least have something to do with Hoffa's death, even if he only lured him to his death. Hoffa's family said Jimmy would have only gotten in the car with Sheeran. I dont know if he killed Hoffa, a mobster from New Jersey, Sally "Bugs" Brigulio was said to have killed Hoffa.

As for the JFK thing, Im not sure, there could be a mob connection, New Orleans mob boss Carlos Marcello hated the Kennedys ever since they deported him to South America, he somehow got back to the US and was pissed. Santo Trafficante the Florida mob boss was hired by the CIA to kill Fidel Castro but that attempt failed.

Oswald and Carlos Marcello do have ties to each other through family.

Frank Ragano, who was Traficante's and Marcello's lawyer wrote a book about the JFK assassination and mentioned that both Traficante and Marcello were involved. but who knows.

Goin back to Sheeran, he might have claimed a lot but he was high up the chain with the mob, both Russell Buffalino and Angelo Bruno, they had rings and Sheeran had one along with the other two. Buffalino and Bruno were pretty big players in the Mafia at the time, so Sheeran was highly thought of by them

Potentially Pilsbury Doughboy

Looking forward to the film.

all_names_gone

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Jimmy Hoffa – Al Pacino

Jimmy Hoffa’s disappearance is probably one the most widely known and most talked about in history, its been the subject of books, TV, news & now a major movie. With the release of Martin Scorsese’s The Irishman just around the corner we can have a look at the real life people who the movie is based on.

Jimmy Hoffa was an American labor union leader who served as the President of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters union from 1957 until 1971.

From an early age, Jimmy Hoffa was a union activist by 1952 he was national vice-president of the Teamsters, and was its general president between 1957 and 1971. He played a major role in the growth and development of the union, which eventually became the largest union in the United States with over 2.3 million members at its peak.

During his early years working in the Teamsters Hoffa became involved with organized crime. He was convicted of jury tampering, attempted bribery and fraud in 1964, in two separate trials. He was imprisoned in 1967 and sentenced to 13 years. In mid-1971, he resigned as president of the union as part of a pardon agreement with President Richard Nixon; and he was released later that year, although barred from union activities until 1980.

Hoffa, hoped to regain support and to return to the Teamsters leadership. Hoffa’s plans to regain the leadership of the union were met with opposition from some members of the Mafia, including some who would be connected to his 1975 disappearance.

Hoffa vanished in late July 1975 and was never found.

Frank Sheeran – Robert De Niro

Frank Sheeran, was over six feet tall and had got his start by making collections for loansharks around Philadelphia, this would lead him to make connections to the world of criminals.

Sometime in the mid 1950’s Sheeran became associated with Russell Bufalino, who was head of the Bufalino Crime Family and became his chauffeur, doing jobs and making deliveries.

Sheeran was put in contact with Jimmy Hoffa, the president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters labor union. Hoffa needed some muscle to ensure the silence of his enemies. The story goes, Hoffa said to Sheeran, “I heard you paint houses.” Sheeran replied yes and added, “I also do my own carpentry”. In Mafia code language I heard you paint houses meant he killed people and doing his own carpentry meant he disposed of the bodies too.

While he served as Hoffa’s muscle, his job was to beat and intimidate Hoffa’s enemies, kill people trying to start rival unions, and gun running to name some of his jobs.

As they worked together Sheeran and Hoffa grew close, Sheeran was rewarded by being given a lucrative job as president of the Local 326 in Wilmington, Del. That position would give him rewards too in return for mob favors. But in time things turned sour for Hoffa due to the company he kept and his business practices, investigations, prison time and falling out with the mob sealed his fate and allegedly it was up to Frank Sheeran to take care of his old friend.

Sheeran and a few associates picked Hoffa up at a restaurant called the Red Fox. Sheeran claimed that his presence helped put Hoffa at ease about driving to a meeting at a Detroit house. From the book I Heard You Paint Houses: “When Jimmy saw . . . that nobody came out of the rooms to greet him, he knew right away what it was,” Sheeran said in the book, adding that Hoffa tried to flee. “Jimmy Hoffa got shot twice at a decent range — not too close or the [blood] splatters back at you — in the back of his head . . . My friend did not suffer.”

Russel Bufalino – Joe Pesci

Russell Bufalino also known as “The Quiet Don”, McGee or “The Old Man”, was involved in the traditional underworld rackets such as gambling, extortion, robbery, theft and debt collection. By the time Bufalino reached his mid-20s, his criminal record showed arrests for petty larceny, receiving stolen goods, conspiracy to obstruct justice, drug dealing, and fencing stolen jewelry. When the Prohibition Laws were enacted in 1919, Bufalino quickly became involved in the lucrative new business of bootlegging.

In 1977, Bufalino was indicted on extortion charges. On August 8, 1978, Bufalino was convicted and sentenced to four years imprisonment for his part in the extortion attempt. Regarding an incident during the sentencing, Bufalino stated to the court “If you had to deal with an animal like that, Judge, you’d have done the same damn thing.” Once in prison, Bufalino used his longtime driver, Frank Sheeran and aide to maintain his personal affairs and deliver orders to the acting leaders.

Angelo Bruno – Harvey Keitel

Angelo Bruno was a mobster, notable for being boss of the Philadelphia crime family for two decades until his assassination. Bruno gained the names “the Gentle Don” or “the Docile Don” due to his preference for conciliation over violence.

Bruno successfully avoided the intense media and law enforcement scrutiny and outbursts of violence that plagued other crime families. Bruno himself avoided lengthy prison terms despite several arrests, his longest term was two years for refusing to testify before a grand jury. Bruno forbade family involvement in drug trafficking, preferring more traditional La Cosa Nostra operations, such as bookmaking and loansharking

On March 21, 1980, the 69-year-old Bruno was killed by a shotgun blast in the back of the head as he sat in his car in front of his home at the intersection of 10th Street and Snyder Avenue in South Philadelphia, his driver, John Stanfa, was wounded.

It is believed that the killing was ordered by Antonio Caponigro aka Tony Bananas, one of Bruno’s top men. A few weeks later, Caponigro’s body was found dead, battered and nude, in the trunk of a car in The Bronx. The Commission had reportedly ordered Caponigro’s murder because he assassinated Bruno without their sanction. Other Philadelphia family members involved in Bruno’s murder were tortured and killed.

Salvatore “Sally Bugs” Briguglio – Louis Cancelmi

In 1985, the FBI released a memo summarizing the Hoffa case and cited Salvatore Briguglio as a prime suspect along with Briguglio’s brother Gabriel, the brothers Stephen and Thomas Andretta, Chuckie O’Brien, “Tony Pro” Provenzano, “Tony Jack” Anthony Giacalone, and the mob boss of Northeastern Pennsylvania, Russell Bufalino.

On March 21, 1978, Briguglio was murdered gangland-style on Mulberry Street in New York’s Little Italy. Two gunmen pumped several shots into his chest and head. At the time he had allegedly been talking with prosecutors and was about to make a deal in exchange for his testimony against Provenzano

Anthony “Tony Pro” Provenzano – Stephen Graham

Tony Pro Provenzano used his position as the Teamsters vice president to siphon off union funds for his personal use. Jimmy Hoffa and Tony Pro were initially close friends and allies but the two became enemies, their relationship soured after Hoffa was unable to secure a Teamsters loan for a restaurant he wanted to open.

Allegedly Hoffa had also insulted Provenzano, telling him “It’s because of people like you that I got into trouble in the first place.”

Jimmy Hoffa had encouraged the Mafia that were involved with the union to use it as their own personal piggy banks. Hoffa and Provenzano were eventually jailed for their activities, and were sentenced to federal prison. Hoffa had been pardoned from prison by President Richard Nixon in 1971, with the provision that he could not engage in union activity.

Provenzano was forbidden to engage in union activity for five years as part of his parole, though he remained a power inside the union. Hoffa opposed Provenzano’s desire to assume his old post at Local 560 after his five period was up, while “Tony Pro” was adamantly against Hoffa’s intent to be reelected president the Teamsters. In the contest of wills, while Hoffa had the hearts of many of the union’s rank and file members, Provenzano had the power of the Mafia.