Gravediggers

Seanachai

This seems draconian to me, is it linked to insurance maybe?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gravediggers-calls-time-on-enjoying-a-pint-outside-38359094.html

salmocab

I’d imagine it’s locals complaining. Only there a couple of times but it’s glorious on a sunny day.

Seanachai

salmocab wrote: »

I’d imagine it’s locals complaining. Only there a couple of times but it’s glorious on a sunny day.

I've always enjoyed it anytime I've been there, it's a great atmosphere when people are out on the green. The kind of crowd that go there are very laid back and I've never seen or heard of anything anti-social. Maybe it's residents trying to get kids to sleep or something?

tjc28

Noel Rock is some dope
"On some of the few nice days we get in the summer, it’s always nice to buy a red lemonade or whatever and sit outside on the grass,â€Â 

Seanachai

tjc28 wrote: »

Noel Rock is some dope
"On some of the few nice days we get in the summer, it’s always nice to buy a red lemonade or whatever and sit outside on the grass,†

I know, some kind of weird 1950's piety, he's always really aggressive in defending the government on tv. It's prob their inability to reign in the insurance companies that's caused this.

Seanachai

Seanachai wrote: »

I've always enjoyed it anytime I've been there, it's a great atmosphere when people are out on the green. The kind of crowd that go there are very laid back and I've never seen or heard of anything anti-social. Maybe it's residents trying to get kids to sleep or something?

Have had many a pint on the green outside and similarly never saw any antisocial behaviour or even elevated noise levels really. I think this is a massive shame I have to say.

neris

Wonder is insurance an issue aswell

salmocab

neris wrote: »

Wonder is insurance an issue aswell

Article suggests not. It says the Garda told them. I would think it breaches their license and after some complaints the Garda have to do something.

miamee

They probably don't have a licence for outdoor drinking area. I was amused at Noel Rock's 'red lemonade' comment

Seanachai

salmocab wrote: »

Article suggests not. It says the Garda told them. I would think it breaches their license and after some complaints the Garda have to do something.

For the amount of days a year that people would usually drink on the green it seems very petty for somebody to complain.

millie35

I heard from a reliable source (the barman) that it was one neighbour who complained. She also complained about the derelict houses beside the pub. They are now getting a lick of paint as a result.

You can still drink on the pavement outside the pub. When the sun is shining it just makes the pavement way more crowded than before.

I never drank on the green cause I hate my guinness in a plastic glass but I loved the atmosphere outside and there was never a spot of bother and the noise levels were minimal.

Seanachai

millie35 wrote: »

I heard from a reliable source (the barman) that it was one neighbour who complained. She also complained about the derelict houses beside the pub. They are now getting a lick of paint as a result.

You can still drink on the pavement outside the pub. When the sun is shining it just makes the pavement way more crowded than before.

I never drank on the green cause I hate my guinness in a plastic glass but I loved the atmosphere outside and there was never a spot of bother and the noise levels were minimal.

Square Hammer

The owners policed this arrangement extremely successfully and always showed respect for the surrounding area.People on the grass knew that any bs would see them being asked to leave.Pub will no doubt suffer a serious drop in revenues. It seems ludicrous that a single resident can spoil what is a unique experience in the city that was only ever busy on the best of days.The derelict buildings in this case actually also add to the character of the area and are completely camouflaged.There are clearly some seriously mean spirited people out there.I would guess that most residents are actually gutted by this.Anybody who moved into that square would have known there was a pub there.Hopefully this is not the end

petejmk

millie35 wrote: »

I heard from a reliable source (the barman) that it was one neighbour who complained. She also complained about the derelict houses beside the pub. They are now getting a lick of paint as a result.

You can still drink on the pavement outside the pub. When the sun is shining it just makes the pavement way more crowded than before.

I never drank on the green cause I hate my guinness in a plastic glass but I loved the atmosphere outside and there was never a spot of bother and the noise levels were minimal.

Great spot for a pint. I'd say the noise during the day is one thing but the noise into the evening and late at night must be a nightmare.

As for the house next door (no. 3) it's on Dublin City Council's 2018 Derelict Sites Report along with no. 4. There was a big push last year to get all derelict sites within Dublin city registered. So it's the council getting to make the improvements.

De Bhál

millie35 wrote: »

You can still drink on the pavement outside the pub. When the sun is shining it just makes the pavement way more crowded than before.
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Is that correct yeah? If so great

Seanachai

Square Hammer wrote: »

The owners policed this arrangement extremely successfully and always showed respect for the surrounding area.People on the grass knew that any bs would see them being asked to leave.Pub will no doubt suffer a serious drop in revenues. It seems ludicrous that a single resident can spoil what is a unique experience in the city that was only ever busy on the best of days.The derelict buildings in this case actually also add to the character of the area and are completely camouflaged.There are clearly some seriously mean spirited people out there.I would guess that most residents are actually gutted by this.Anybody who moved into that square would have known there was a pub there.Hopefully this is not the end

Might not be a new resident, could be somebody who's just getting too old for the noise.

ongarboy

Or could be just someone who objected to red lemonade drinkers.....

salmocab

ongarboy wrote: »

Or could be just someone who objected to red lemonade drinkers.....

Too much sugar and they get rowdy

Thelonious Monk

I think it's the most overrated pub in Dublin

**runs and hides**

salmocab

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think it's the most overrated pub in Dublin

**runs and hides**

You could have just not gone, you didn’t have to complain to the Garda about it. Monster.

ferrigan101

Seanachai wrote: »

Might not be a new resident, could be somebody who's just getting too old for the noise.

As far as I'm aware it's a relatively new resident (the last year or so) to the square that has been complaining about it since buying and moving in.

And I understand that it's okay to be on the pavement with a pint but not out on the green.

tikkahunter

Garda need to seriously cop on here. Never one once of trouble on that green just decent people having a drink and a laugh. Their time would be better spent sweeping up all the homeless (junkies) that have now descended on the area and are begging and harassing people outside every shop in the Drumcondra /Glasnevin area.

Square Hammer

the noise from people on the green is minimal.also the pub owners never allow people out there after a certain time.on good days there are also families and children playing on the green. I truly dont understand how somebody moving into the square would not realise that this has been going on for years.for most people it would actually be a plus.I cannot emphasise how decent the owners of pub are.their reaction to this illustrates this fact completely.this is not a pub with music or tvs pushing hammered gob****es out onto the streets.they dont even accept credit cards.dont think they would have accepted people on green themselves if thry thought there was any form of trouble

hatrickpatrick

The by-laws of Dublin need to be changed such that merely consuming alcohol in public isn't prohibited, only being drunk and disorderly. The all-out prohibition is incredibly draconian. In fairness to the Gardaí, they tend not to be at all heavy handed about enforcing it unless one of Dublin's councils starts making noise about the lack of enforcement, so the Gardaí definitely aren't the problem here.

Strumms

It’s a pity, going to the Gravediggers and enjoying a pint outdoors has been a tradition for decades but again it’s only permitted earlier in the day and evening. They only permit plastic pint glasses outside and DO police this. It’s game over if you disregard the rule of transfers to plastic. It has always attracted a nice kind of punter. You’d have to wonder what kick started this. A new neighbor perhaps or indeed an older one just acting the curmudgeon over some punter being a bit of a dîck on their way home that upset them ?

Strumms

Square Hammer wrote: »

the noise from people on the green is minimal.also the pub owners never allow people out there after a certain time.on good days there are also families and children playing on the green. I truly dont understand how somebody moving into the square would not realise that this has been going on for years.for most people it would actually be a plus. I cannot emphasise how decent the owners of pub are.their reaction to this illustrates this fact completely.this is not a pub with music or tvs pushing hammered gob****es out onto the streets.they dont even accept credit cards.dont think they would have accepted people on green themselves if thry thought there was any form of trouble

Agree 1000%. The Kavanagh family are beyond decent. You walk into that pub and the only thing nicer than the pint is the genuine welcome, friendliness and service you will get from Ciaran, Niall and all the family and staff.

petejmk

Heard a bit more last night on this. Apparently a neighbour approached the pub about late night noise from customers drinking outside and not being cleared from the front of the premises after closing a good few times in the last year. It seems the pub refused to do anything about the resident's concerns so the gardai were contacted. Could be there's a compromise to be had.

prettyboy81

No doubt some of the neighbours have sat on the green and enjoyed a beverage from the pub. Typical of the current world we live in, minor issues over policed as a result of reporting from zealous do gooders.

Seanachai

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think it's the most overrated pub in Dublin

**runs and hides**

Edgware

I know that voices can travel and people with a few drinks raise their voice but for the few Summer evenings we have there should be compromise. I would think that most of the customers are regulars and would agree to wrap up the outside drinking say at 10 pm latest.
The problem for Kavanaghs and the Gardai is that if the Gardai didnt act the whinger would lodge an objection at licence renewal time and probably lodge a complain with GSOC about the Garda fail to act.

Edgware

tjc28 wrote: »

Noel Rock is some dope
"On some of the few nice days we get in the summer, it’s always nice to buy a red lemonade or whatever and sit outside on the grass,â€Â 

If it was his constituent complaining he would have ten letters written now comparing the area to Syria. He is a legislator, do something to regularise times and locations for outdoor consumption of alcohol. Gob****e

Seanachai

Edgware wrote: »

If it was his constituent complaining he would have ten letters written now comparing the area to Syria. He is a legislator, do something to regularise times and locations for outdoor consumption of alcohol. Gob****e

They wonder why such a big home drinking culture has developed.......

Spanish Eyes

Beats me why anyone would buy/rent on that square if not happy about the pub.

Who came first?

Very dignified response from the owners. IMV

Strumms

If I remember correctly there used to be a sign near the doors, saying something like no drinks outside after xxxx time. Also one say that drinks needs to be in plastic glasses and the bar staff would be quite strict on ensuring you’d transfer into a plastic cup before you’d go out.

Of course there would always be the ‘odd’ non regular twat who after a couple would not be of the mind to give a **** about the rules and try and think they don’t apply because they drank three pints of porter but the staff too are quite proactive in hauling you back in, in a friendly yet proactive manner.

Peatys

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I think it's the most overrated pub in Dublin

How could the gravediggers be over rated? It's exactly what it is. No airs or graces.
Could it be you just don't like that type of pub?

petejmk

Strumms wrote: »

If I remember correctly there used to be a sign near the doors, saying something like no drinks outside after xxxx time. Also one say that drinks needs to be in plastic glasses and the bar staff would be quite strict on ensuring you’d transfer into a plastic cup before you’d go out.

Of course there would always be the ‘odd’ non regular twat who after a couple would not be of the mind to give a **** about the rules and try and think they don’t apply because they drank three pints of porter but the staff too are quite proactive in hauling you back in, in a friendly yet proactive manner.

If it's true that the issue escalated after the pub ignored the resident's complaints that would suggest they've loosened up on their previously good practices. If that is the case it's easily solved by the pub ensuring there's no one outside after a certain hour and clearing customers from the area after closure. Hopefully it'll all be sorted.

Strumms

petejmk wrote: »

If it's true that the issue escalated after the pub ignored the resident's complaints that would suggest they've loosened up on their previously good practices. If that is the case it's easily solved by the pub ensuring there's no one outside after a certain hour and clearing customers from the area after closure. Hopefully it'll all be sorted.

I know that compared to other pubs they operate a very strict ‘time is time’ sort of deal...there wouldn’t, couldn’t and shouldn’t be too much leeway if any in a residential area for that.

They can stop you walking out with a pint glass but not just for a smoke and a chat at any time. The onus is just on the smokers to be considerate and keep it down to a dull roar.

spurious

The trouble is, while we all hope and would like to think it's the gentle clink of glasses and good humoured low level laughter on a summer's evening, there are always the animals that assemble where drink is involved.

We get them from Croke Park (even living almost a mile away, outside the cordon, in before the 'why did you buy there' brigade) - the scum who urinate up against the edge of the door (where it meets the frame) ensuring their filth makes its way inside.

A few small actions from the pub should be able to sort that particular issue in Prospect sq., but I have a lot of sympathy for the residents.

Edgware

spurious wrote: »

The trouble is, while we all hope and would like to think it's the gentle clink of glasses and good humoured low level laughter on a summer's evening, there are always the animals that assemble where drink is involved.

We get them from Croke Park (even living almost a mile away, outside the cordon, in before the 'why did you buy there' brigade) - the scum who urinate up against the edge of the door (where it meets the frame) ensuring their filth makes its way inside.

A few small actions from the pub should be able to sort that particular issue in Prospect sq., but I have a lot of sympathy for the residents.

Why dont you open your bathroom on match and concert days? Problem solved

Seanachai

Edgware wrote: »

Why dont you open your bathroom on match and concert days? Problem solved

You may as well let livestock into your home