Rapidgate

k123456

https://insideevs.com/news/361505/nissan-rapidgate-us-solution-update/

I am considering moving up from a 16 24 leaf to an 18 leaf 40.

Am I correct in assuming Rapidgate is fully fixed, or is the software update a workaround,

For those here that have the Leaf 40, if one keeps speed to 110km on a Mway (dub to Galway for example) what is the likely range (summer time)



re the leaf 6.6 kw onboard charger ( I have a 3.3 in mine L24) . If I charge at an Ecars slow charger , will I benefit from a quicker (slow) charge , ie are the Ecars slow charger capable of 6.6.
(My home charger is limited to 3.3)

Thanks

KCross

k123456 wrote: »

https://insideevs.com/news/361505/nissan-rapidgate-us-solution-update/

I am considering moving up from a 16 24 leaf to an 18 leaf 40.

Am I correct in assuming Rapidgate is fully fixed, or is the software update a workaround,

Its a workaround that reduces the likelihood of it happening you, particularly in this country where its more difficult to do multiple rapid charges in a day just because its a small island.

But it is still technically possible to rapidgate the car even with the "fix".

k123456 wrote: »

re the leaf 6.6 kw onboard charger ( I have a 3.3 in mine L24) . If I charge at an Ecars slow charger , will I benefit from a quicker (slow) charge , ie are the Ecars slow charger capable of 6.6.
(My home charger is limited to 3.3)

Thanks

Yes, the L40 has a 6.6kW charger as standard so it will charge at twice the power of your L24 on those charge points.

ELM327

it is not fixed.
They "improved" it, by reducing the impact, but there is a theory that this "fix" will result in increased degradation down the line due to the high battery temps with no cooling.

Buy something else, imo, Ioniq, egolf, i3 all better cars

k123456

Considering the Ioniq VS the leaf. Not having to use Ecars network is appealing (Ionity)

a 2018 Leaf 40
a 2018 Ionic 30
in ROI, both about the same price, strangely


Happy to import from the UK , if there is money to be saved

slave1

Putting it out there, if you charge at home 95% of the time then would RAPIDGate issue essentially disappear for you

Soarer

slave1 wrote: »

Putting it out there, if you charge at home 95% of the time then would RAPIDGate issue essentially disappear for you

Rapidgate only affect the Chademo port on your car, so you can use the other one all day everyday if you like.
But then again, Chademo experiencing rapidgate will still be at, worst case, 20kW. Your type 2 port will max. 6.6kW.

slave1

Was thinking that, Mr Nissan packing those batteries too tightly

unkel

#rapidgate was not fixed, Nissan just installed new software the lets the battery get hotter than before, so #rapidgate sets in later (and the battery gets hotter than it should be - otherwise why would they have but the lower limit on it before? Think about it, this was just a reputation damage limitation exercise for Nissan. It worked. Everybody is pretty quiet about it

Ionity already have 2 fast chargers live and are working on 2 more. They all have at least 4 stalls, so 4 EVs can charge at the same time. At all the ESB chargers, only one car can ever charge at the same time. If you ever need to go beyond the range of your car, I would not buy a Leaf at this stage. Not until there is either charging for charging in place or there are many more (multi stall) fast chargers available at ESB chargers. But the Leaf 40 is a good car apart from #rapidgate, if you never travel long distance, by all means buy one.

Shefwedfan

28kWh battery is too small if going for new

You need to be in around 40kWh....

k123456

unkel wrote: »

#rapidgate was not fixed, Nissan just installed new software the lets the battery get hotter than before, so #rapidgate sets in later (and the battery gets hotter than it should be - otherwise why would they have but the lower limit on it before? Think about it, this was just a reputation damage limitation exercise for Nissan. It worked. Everybody is pretty quiet about it

Ionity already have 2 fast chargers live and are working on 2 more. They all have at least 4 stalls, so 4 EVs can charge at the same time. At all the ESB chargers, only one car can ever charge at the same time. If you ever need to go beyond the range of your car, I would not buy a Leaf at this stage. Not until there is either charging for charging in place or there are many more (multi stall) fast chargers available at ESB chargers. But the Leaf 40 is a good car apart from #rapidgate, if you never travel long distance, by all means buy one.

Ionity is a nice option, the idea of pulling up to a reasonably priced charger and presumably less Q.ing and Icing than Ecars points is nice

Lots of excellent info on this thread (thanks)

I have not had a serious look at pricing online yet, but is there much to be saved in either Leaf 40 or IOnic 28 from either Northern Ireland or England . Year 2018 or 2019 Used

unkel

k123456 wrote: »

Ionity is a nice option, the idea of pulling up to a reasonably priced charger and presumably less Q.ing and Icing than Ecars points is nice

Even if all 4 slots are taken (and the average car charges for 40 minutes), your expected waiting time is just 10 minutes.

Same situation at ESB, and your expected waiting time would be 140 minutes...

Shefwedfan

Rapidgate is blown out of all proportions in my opinion. If you are buying a car with a 40kWh battery and you expect to use public chargers a lot, or having to use fast charger multiple times in the same day on a regular basis then I would say maybe electric is not the route to take.....

If you are moving from an L24 to a L40 then the extra range will be huge, you are doubling your range more or less. Will you really need to do multiple charges every day?

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Rapidgate is blown out of all proportions in my opinion. If you are buying a car with a 40kWh battery and you expect to use public chargers a lot, or having to use fast charger multiple times in the same day on a regular basis then I would say maybe electric is not the route to take.....

That's nonsense. As long as there is an adequate fast charging network where you never have to wait and your EV can charge quickly, there is no issue.

An efficient 40kWh EV can do 240km at 120km/h and have about 10% left . After a drive like that you are advised by all motoring organisations to take a break. If your EV can charge at 175kW, it will take 10 minutes to charge from 10%-90%.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

That's nonsense. As long as there is an adequate fast charging network where you never have to wait and your EV can charge quickly, there is no issue.

An efficient 40kWh EV can do 240km at 120km/h and have about 10% left . After a drive like that you are advised by all motoring organisations to take a break. If your EV can charge at 175kW, it will take 10 minutes to charge from 10%-90%.

Exactly my point, so if you can drive 240km and you only see rapidgate on the 3rd fast charge are you really going to drive over 400km in a day? in Ireland?

unkel

A L40 can only drive for about 150km at 120km/h and have 10% left. A charge to 90% would take at least an hour even without #rapidgate and if you need to charge again, you most likely will get #rapidgate. I wouldn't recommend a L40 if you regularly do long distances

My beef was with your argument that you shouldn't buy any 40kWh EV if you need to fast charge multiple times in the same day on a regular basis

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

A L40 can only drive for about 150km at 120km/h and have 10% left. A charge to 90% would take at least an hour even without #rapidgate and if you need to charge again, you most likely will get #rapidgate. I wouldn't recommend a L40 if you regularly do long distances

My beef was with your argument that you shouldn't buy any 40kWh EV if you need to fast charge multiple times in the same day on a regular basis

No you shouldn't....you should buy a 60kWh


Buying a 40kWh and having to use multi chargers means you bought the wrong car. Like buy a petrol when you should have diesel :P

unkel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Buying a 40kWh and having to use multi chargers means you bought the wrong car.

I don't agree. If you have to stop every 240km just for 10 minutes, isn't that perfectly acceptable? I would stop anyway. Even if my car had 100kWh

Of course, you don't want to have to wait for ages before a charger becomes available like is now the case in Ireland where we are very far behind and have just single vehicle fast chargers (except Tesla and Ionity)

grudgehugger

k123456 wrote: »

For those here that have the Leaf 40, if one keeps speed to 110km on a Mway (dub to Galway for example) what is the likely range (summer time)

Thanks

I’d say you’d get about 180km going consistently at 110km based on my L40 driving - oblong journeys, I tend to vary my speed between 120 and 100 based on what’s left in batt % and in my journey.

I’ve never had rapidgate issues but then I’ve only fast charged twice in one day on one trip. Almost all charging done at home.

If doing a really long trip (e.g. Wicklow to Donegal for the weekend) we bring the ICE.

If doing Wicklow to Galway, I’d usually bring the L40

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

I don't agree. If you have to stop every 240km just for 10 minutes, isn't that perfectly acceptable? I would stop anyway. Even if my car had 100kWh

Of course, you don't want to have to wait for ages before a charger becomes available like is now the case in Ireland where we are very far behind and have just single vehicle fast chargers (except Tesla and Ionity)

Sure if we all agreed it would be no fun

September1

unkel wrote: »

Ionity already have 2 fast chargers live and are working on 2 more. They all have at least 4 stalls, so 4 EVs can charge at the same time. At all the ESB chargers, only one car can ever charge at the same time. If you ever need to go beyond the range of your car, I would not buy a Leaf at this stage. Not until there is either charging for charging in place or there are many more (multi stall) fast chargers available at ESB chargers. But the Leaf 40 is a good car apart from #rapidgate, if you never travel long distance, by all means buy one.

I think easygo is also going for two charger locations and they do support chademo charging. There is only one now, but second it to be opening very soon I think.

k123456

About to "pull the plug "on an Ionic in Northern Ireland (I am in ROI)

What is the most cost effective way to transfer funds to car dealers Stg bank ac, please


And Docs, I have not imported from NI before
I think I need the "full version " of the V5 form , when bringing the car to VRT office, is this correct.

oinkely

k123456 wrote: »

About to "pull the plug "on an Ionic in Northern Ireland (I am in ROI)

What is the most cost effective way to transfer funds to car dealers Stg bank ac, please

I used TransferWise for any one i bought in the uk

September1

k123456 wrote: »

About to "pull the plug "on an Ionic in Northern Ireland (I am in ROI)

What is the most cost effective way to transfer funds to car dealers Stg bank ac, please

There is this app called Revolut that I highly recommend. Just let them know in advance that you would be transferring larger amount of money.

Shefwedfan

Would Revolut allow you to transfer large amount of money like that? I would guess an Ioniq would be circa 20k

September1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Would Revolut allow you to transfer large amount of money like that? I would guess an Ioniq would be circa 20k

Yes(*) and those transfers can be really fast, I think they use some internal UK transferring system so payments could clear same day.

* You need to let them know ahead that larger amount of cash will arrive, to avoid money laundering issues during transaction.

Mike9832

grudgehugger wrote: »

I’d say you’d get about 180km going consistently at 110km based on my L40 driving - oblong journeys, I tend to vary my speed between 120 and 100 based on what’s left in batt % and in my journey.

I’ve never had rapidgate issues but then I’ve only fast charged twice in one day on one trip. Almost all charging done at home.

If doing a really long trip (e.g. Wicklow to Donegal for the weekend) we bring the ICE.

If doing Wicklow to Galway, I’d usually bring the L40

What do you reckon it does at a bit quicker speeds, but nothing excess like 130/140?

I normally do about 130 on motorway

150km @ 130?

It's got 37kWh useable or something

Leaf62 should be good for about 230km with it's 50% or so larger pack

unkel

Mike9832 wrote: »

150km @ 130?

At 130km/h GPS speed? Maybe in summer. No way in winter.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

At 130km/h GPS speed? Maybe in summer. No way in winter.

Even Ioniq would not get that in the depths of winter and the L40 is worse at motorway speeds.


I'd guess around 130km or so max.

Soarer

Good to know the L62 doesn't travel that far whilst breaking the speed limit.

grudgehugger

ELM327 wrote: »

Even Ioniq would not get that in the depths of winter and the L40 is worse at motorway speeds.


I'd guess around 130km or so max.

Sounds right / ambitious.

Basically the L40 is not the car for you if you’re commonly doing 150km+ trips imo.

I’m not, I’m doing a 80 km commute 4-5 days a week. For this it’s great.

I have done long trips in it and plan accordingly. Also we have an ICE for long trips where dealing with charging will be a pain.

BUy an i3 Rex and forget about all this public charging nonsense. Up to 220 Kms Summer off the Motorway and about 150 Kms Motorway and winter maybe 130-140 Kms Motorway and the Rex for the rest.

Believe me the convenience of being 100% independent of the Public disastrous infrastructure 100% of the time is amazing. I did the full BEV thing for 3 years, and never again until the Charging network greatly improves.