We just can't have good things in this country!

w/s/p/c/

Hadn't been in years, shame to see it ruined! I'm sure it doesn't compare to the real deal but was good for a stein after work on a Friday if you were in the area...

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/popular-festival-oktoberfest-cancelled-in-dublin-due-to-increase-in-insurance-premium-and-irelands-claim-culture-38343037.html

Wonder how many events are being cancelled over the coming months due to similar circumstances.

Ipso

They could have just taken down the swings.

Father Hernandez

Won't be the last event cancelled due to high insurance costs.

Every week for a while there was massive insurance claims going out for things extremely unwarranted.

Such a shame.

rossie1977

It's a bit s**t to be fair and nothing like the Munich version

Ipso

Ipso wrote: »

They could have just taken down the swings.

(Groan..)

Flippant, out of touch judiciary. Politicians not putting enough limits in place to control flippant out of touch judiciary.

Hopefully this is the impetus required to consign clearly moronic awards to the bin.

w/s/p/c/

rossie1977 wrote: »

It's a bit s**t to be fair and nothing like the Munich version

Nothing will compare to the real deal of course. It wasn't that bad of an event, must be going nearly a decade from what I can re-call. I'd say the pubs in the locality of the IFSC won't be happy they normally got the spill over crowd's custom from it.

Force Carrier

Deleted User wrote: »

Flippant, out of touch judiciary. Politicians not putting enough limits in place to control flippant out of touch judiciary.

Hopefully this is the impetus required to consign clearly moronic awards to the bin.

I think it's been fairly well established that our way above average insurance premiums are due to profiteering from the insurance industry cartel.


The judiciary are answerable to no one. And completely unaccountable.
In theory the national parliament can impeach them but this has never been done. Some say that would be interfering with the seperation of powers. In any event it is not a practical way to supervise and regulate a profession or office holders. Either in day to day or even in quite serious matters.

Force Carrier

Force Carrier wrote: »

I think it's been fairly well established that our way above average insurance premiums are due to profiteering from the insurance industry cartel.


The judiciary are answerable to no one. And completely unaccountable.
In theory the national parliament can impeach them but this has never been done. Some say that would be interfering with the seperation of powers. In any event it is not a practical way to supervise and regulate a profession or office holders. Either in day to day or even in quite serious matters.

Is that why insurance companies refuse to quote and are pulling out of certain markets?

The Dail can put in place limits the judiciary need to work within.

Del2005

Force Carrier wrote: »

I think it's been fairly well established that our way above average insurance premiums are due to profiteering from the insurance industry cartel.


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They each made less than €2m profit last year after no profit the year before. They aren't profiteering. Its easy to read a headline saying that their profits are up thousands of percent, read the article and they made feck all profits.

lola85

Pearse Doherty showed that insurance companies exaggerate fraud claims to gouge people and companies.

yourdeadwright

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

Hadn't been in years, shame to see it ruined! I'm sure it doesn't compare to the real deal but was good for a stein after work on a Friday if you were in the area...

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/popular-festival-oktoberfest-cancelled-in-dublin-due-to-increase-in-insurance-premium-and-irelands-claim-culture-38343037.html

Wonder how many events are being cancelled over the coming months due to similar circumstances.

it was SH*TE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Balanadan

Fine Gael couldn't give a **** lads. Cancel everything fun because of greedy knackers on the take.

Auguste Comte

lola85 wrote: »

Pearse Doherty showed that insurance companies exaggerate fraud claims to gouge people and companies.

And some FG TD's showed that people exaggerate fraudulent claims and gouge all of us.

lola85

Auguste Comte wrote: »

And some FG TD's showed that people exaggerate fraudulent claims and gouge all of us.

Yeah but I’m talking about insurance companies ripping us off.

Why are they getting off Scott free?

We all know about FG but let’s focus on insurance companies too lying about fraud claims .

suicide_circus

a lot more of this needs to happen. i shudder to think what it costs to insure the likes of electric picnic.

Hal3000

Balanadan wrote: »

Fine Gael couldn't give a **** lads. Cancel everything fun because of greedy knackers on the take.

Yeah they're afraid to tackle anyone that might be deemed disadvantaged.

lola85

lola85 wrote: »

Yeah but I’m talking about insurance companies ripping us off.

Can you link to some info?

enricoh

lola85 wrote: »

Yeah but I’m talking about insurance companies ripping us off.

Why are they getting off Scott free?

We all know about FG but let’s focus on insurance companies too lying about fraud claims .

Only a few days ago leisure companies were saying they can no longer get insurance.

Surely if there was that much money in it, there would be loadsa companies piling in - theres not, they are all legging it out of Ireland sick of judges throwing their money out to chancers

BorneTobyWilde

I don't get it, it's clear every insurance company in this country is making millions in profit, and it's simply a case of them grabbing as much as they can, and then they'll spin the high premiums as being down to the ''claim culture''
But why does the government let it happen. It's not Top Secret information FFS, insurance companies in Ireland are making 200m clear profit per year !

lola85

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can you link to some info?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/pearse-doherty-memberofdaileireann-insuranceireland-sinnfein-17490329.amp


“What I'm suggesting is that the insurance industry is completely exaggerating the issue of fraudulent claims in a way to try and justify the type of premiums they are charging, and the increases we are seeing in certain sectors”

Force Carrier

Deleted User wrote: »

Is that why insurance companies refuse to quote and are pulling out of certain markets?

The Dail can put in place limits the judiciary need to work within.

Judges have simply ignored mandatory sentences in the past. Nothing could be done. But that is all in the area of laws that are used in a Court Room and which apply to the case or the defendent. I was talking about the regulation of Judges. The Dail doesn't regulate the Judiciary.

There are high personal injury payouts in this country and there may be specific areas which Insurers can't do business. But the big increases in premiums in recent years have not been found to be linked to equivalent levels of money payed out.

BorneTobyWilde

'''Aviva is the latest to report massive earnings as it made €113m in operating profits in 2018. This was up from €99m in the previous year.''

Ring Ring

'' how much to insure a two legged donkey?''

Aviva

'' 5800.00 euros ''

w/s/p/c/

yourdeadwright wrote: »

it was SH*TE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

someone wasn't allowed in I think...

Force Carrier

Del2005 wrote: »

They each made less than €2m profit last year after no profit the year before. They aren't profiteering. Its easy to read a headline saying that their profits are up thousands of percent, read the article and they made feck all profits.

There are too many factors that go into how much money they make. There could be all kinds of inefficiencies in their operation that also feed into this. It doesn't mean they haven't exorbitant mark up on their product.

BorneTobyWilde

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't get it, it's clear every insurance company in this country is making millions in profit, and it's simply a case of them grabbing as much as they can, and then they'll spin the high premiums as being down to the ''claim culture''
But why does the government let it happen. It's not Top Secret information FFS, insurance companies in Ireland are making 200m clear profit per year !

It's a cartel plain and simple, and have all the leverage they need with the "cousins" pulling strokes. Maria Bailey is off their Christmas card list for drawing self-respecting journalists too close to the truth.

lola85

lola85 wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/pearse-doherty-memberofdaileireann-insuranceireland-sinnfein-17490329.amp


“What I'm suggesting is that the insurance industry is completely exaggerating the issue of fraudulent claims in a way to try and justify the type of premiums they are charging, and the increases we are seeing in certain sectors”

FFS, I got through about 3 minutes of that before thinking, what the hell is this telling us apart from being a SF promo. Was there anything in the last 3 minutes you'd like to highlight?

I'm not a fan of Insurance companies, I think they should challenge more claims.

But, what exactly do you think that video shows? You do know that it's not the insurance industries job to police insurance fraud? What I did see was one respondent start to attempt to justify why they didn't report fraud claims, before he realised he would be giving too much information away.

The truth is Insurance companies know some people are making fraudulent claims and they will a) pay out b) tell the claimant to take a hike c) report them to the gardai, but it's all down to whether it would cost more or not to pay out.

Again, I ask you what proof have you got that the insurance companies are ripping off people. That video does not prove that.

Force Carrier

Force Carrier wrote: »

Judges have simply ignored mandatory sentences in the past. Nothing could be done.

Have you an example? I would have thought an insurance company would appeal that all the way to the EU court if an Irish court ordered a non statutory award.

yourdeadwright

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

someone wasn't allowed in I think...

Unfortunately I'm well over the age of bouncers stopping me,
the one time I went I actually wish they didn't let me in

Nermal

Force Carrier wrote: »

Judges have simply ignored mandatory sentences in the past. Nothing could be done. But that is all in the area of laws that are used in a Court Room and which apply to the case or the defendent. I was talking about the regulation of Judges. The Dail doesn't regulate the Judiciary.

The Dail can do whatever it wants, it just needs to get a referendum passed first.

yourdeadwright

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Unfortunately I'm well over the age of bouncers stopping me,
the one time I went I actually wish they didn't let me in

Age has nothing to do with it, overcrowding would be. It's been years since I was there, but they were turning people away from the main area for that reason.

InTheShadows

I know of two lads gone out of business the last month because of high insurance rates. One a white van courier and another a grab hire driver. Both with over 15 years of claim free driving. One lad just claiming the dole now and doing cash into hand food delivery at night in his car so he's gone from a tax take contributer to a burden on the state all because of insurance rates.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is that why insurance companies refuse to quote and are pulling out of certain markets?

The Dail can put in place limits the judiciary need to work within.

Why should they have to? Why is the judiciary so out of line with other jurisdictions.

Force Carrier

Nermal wrote: »

The Dail can do whatever it wants, it just needs to get a referendum passed first.

Yes. The Dáil and the Constitution can be anything they want to be.

Anything we want them to be.

I was referring to what they actually are. They don't regulate the Judiciary.

I agree with you that we can do better.

Franz Von Peppercorn II

Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »

Why should they have to?

To give guidance, as there is clearly insane awards. Why they do that is less important as fixing it.

enricoh

Here a shining example from todays indo: 4 car crash claims in already from this taxi driver, a great asset to our little country!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-orders-taxi-drivers-injury-claim-that-misled-solicitors-and-wasted-court-time-be-considered-for-prosecution-38342279.html

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

InTheShadows wrote: »

I know of two lads gone out of business the last month because of high insurance rates. One a white van courier and another a grab hire driver. Both with over 15 years of claim free driving. One lad just claiming the dole now and doing cash into hand food delivery at night in his car so he's gone from a tax take contributer to a burden on the state all because of insurance rates.

Unfortunately, I cannot see the government stepping in unless this becomes endemic. They don't give a damn about you or I.

enricoh wrote: »

Here a shining example from todays indo: 4 car crash claims in already from this taxi driver, a great asset to our little country!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-orders-taxi-drivers-injury-claim-that-misled-solicitors-and-wasted-court-time-be-considered-for-prosecution-38342279.html

Samuel L Jackson has eaten far too many spice bags.

Naos

Del2005 wrote: »

They each made less than €2m profit last year after no profit the year before. They aren't profiteering. Its easy to read a headline saying that their profits are up thousands of percent, read the article and they made feck all profits.

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

'''Aviva is the latest to report massive earnings as it made €113m in operating profits in 2018. This was up from €99m in the previous year.''

Del - where are you getting the €2m profit figure from?

Ubbquittious

Can they just get rid of the compulsory insurance requirement and severly reduce the amount of things the event organiser is liable for?

Would be nice to see the look on some compulsive claimer when they realise the rug has been pulled out from under them and they had their owie for nothing

enricoh

Rayden Tall Smokehouse wrote: »

Unfortunately, I cannot see the government stepping in unless this becomes endemic. They don't give a damn about you or I.



Samuel L Jackson has eaten far too many spice bags.

Ha, probably had decent acting skills for the judges, doctors etc

yosser hughes

Force Carrier wrote: »

The judiciary are answerable to no one. And completely unaccountable.
In theory the national parliament can impeach them but this has never been done. Some say that would be interfering with the seperation of powers. In any event it is not a practical way to supervise and regulate a profession or office holders. Either in day to day or even in quite serious matters.

You want them to be answerable to the likes of our gombeen politicians?
Be careful what you wish for.

It's insurance companies profiteering. Almost everything costs more in Ireland. Treasure Ireland it was referred to by one retail outfit.
The people are a soft touch. Tripping over each other to pay more for everything.

ToddyDoody

Couldn't they not have just got everyone to sign a waiver on the way in?

Irishphotodesk

i believe the problem has been caused by the insurance industry and their lack of willingness to investigate low level claims in the past, possibly 20-30years ago, maybe longer, they deemed it more economical to pay out rather than investigate

.... and as a result.... the legal profession and their customers had templates for reference , so the insurance industry couldn’t refuse to pay out when they previously had paid out on a near identical incident in the past, the legal profession had the insurance industry over a barrel and this continued for many years .... the client, the legal professional and the insurance industry cannot change things without massive reform, but no one wants to rock the boat because it will result in someone else getting less of a pay-day, the judiciary are encouraging more out of court settlements which aren’t published/amounts not disclosed so it’s possible that the payouts are the same or less ...just the publicity is different for the trifecta involved.

Atoms for Peace

enricoh wrote: »

Here a shining example from todays indo: 4 car crash claims in already from this taxi driver, a great asset to our little country!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-orders-taxi-drivers-injury-claim-that-misled-solicitors-and-wasted-court-time-be-considered-for-prosecution-38342279.html

He misled his poor innocent solicitors as well.

LirW

Truth is that in one way or another pretty much everyone is affected by the ridiculous ongoings of the insurance industry.
I'm sure there will be a point where it is impossible to ignore.
At this stage people can't afford to keep a car on the road because it's 12+ years old, people struggle more and more to find adequate childcare because their insurance rates go up and they can't stay open, then it started with small festivals and culture days all over the country that people miss out on, now the cancellation of medium sized festivals started.
I doubt the government will be able to ignore it for much longer. Imagine they cancel the likes of Bloom, Longitude etc over insurance. Or Fallon&Byrne has to close because they can't get their multi-discipline company insured.

Sad thing is that it's probably only a matter of time until something big and substantial either cancels or closes. It can't go on like that indefinitely.

whisky_galore

The mom and pop leisure operations are closing already. Everything from companies hiring bouncy castles to scuba diving firms are now threatened with closure.

Thank you, greedy compo chasing fückers.

Lil Sally Anne Jnr.

Most insurance is basically a scam anyway. The whole system needs to be revised, for claims, and for the vultures ripping everybody off on top.

As suggested above, people should sign waivers before going to festivals. Cut the profiteering scumbags out altogether.

topper75

Tell me, could you possibly be the same Chris Nwachukwu who, in 1946, fell down the cellar of the Victory Inn, Portsmouth, and received one hundred pounds compensation?
Could you be the same Chris Nwachukwu who, in 1951, fell down the cellar of the Coach and Horses, Peckham Rye, - and received a 225 pound out of court settlement?
Maybe you were the same Chris Nwachukwu who, in 1949, fell down the cellar of the Crossed Keys off-licence, Gravesend? How about the Thatched Inn, Canning Town, or does the Brunswick Club, New Cross, ring a bell?

Kivaro

enricoh wrote: »

Here a shining example from todays indo: 4 car crash claims in already from this taxi driver, a great asset to our little country!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/judge-orders-taxi-drivers-injury-claim-that-misled-solicitors-and-wasted-court-time-be-considered-for-prosecution-38342279.html

A Nigerian in Ireland scamming us?
No way.