Man commits burglary, drags Garda along with stolen car, injures pedestrian, bailed

MrFresh

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/violent-burglary-gang-foiled-in-the-act-as-hero-garda-is-viciously-assaulted-38326660.html

The distressing incident unfolded at 2pm yesterday when the garda, who is based at Rathcoole garda station, intervened as the burglary gang left a house in Newcastle village, south Dublin.
The "organised crime grouping" had stolen cash and jewellery and rammed the garda's car and another car in a high-powered, stolen Audi RS6 vehicle when he attempted to confront him.
The garda was dragged on the ground and viciously assaulted by one gang member while three suspected accomplices escaped the scene.
It is understood an innocent civilian bystander also received injuries in the incident. Last night, a senior source described the arrested 28-year-old as a "main player" in a burglary gang who are suspected of carrying out 30 burglaries in the past 10 days from locations spanning Swords in north Dublin to Co Tipperary

This chap got bailed from Blanchardstown court this morning. I know people have a thing for compensation payments at the moment but the bail system is by far the biggest joke of the legal system.

mad muffin

Well… you know… it is Ireland…

If ya were a Garda today, seriously, why would ya bother yer bollox?

freshpopcorn

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

If ya were a Garda today, seriously, why would ya bother yer bollox?

I saw a lad Today dealing with loads of abuse and rubbish You can tell they are used to it.

super_furry

No mention of him being bailed in that story.

But the line where he "rammed the garda's car and another car in a high-powered, stolen Audi RS6", should have him charged with attempted murder.

Sonny noggs

Innocent until proven guilty. He has rights. Why are we not rehabilitating this lad? Shame on us as a society for failing him.

biko

No mention of bail in story and for burglary it's not a problem.
It's not clear to me if it was the assailant that OP claims have now been bailed.

Pataman

Sonny noggs wrote: »

Innocent until proven guilty. He has rights. Why are we not rehabilitating this lad? Shame on us as a society for failing him.

Your right, its all our fault.
Its as if we committed the crimes ourselves!

Are you for real?
No personal responsibility?

He is a thug and if found guilty, should spend a long time in jail thinking about his crimes.
What about the victims?

s7ryf3925pivug

Well it's bail. You only don't get that if you're a flight risk. You're still assumed innocent at that point so you're not supposed to be punished. Not saying it's ideal when it comes to things like this, but it's the system that we have.

Sonny noggs

Pataman wrote: »

Your right, its all our fault.
Its as if we committed the crimes ourselves!

Are you for real?
No personal responsibility?

He is a thug and if found guilty, should spend a long time in jail thinking about his crimes.
What about the victims?

Just getting in there ahead of the usual posse that descend on these threads likes flies on sh1te doing their best to defend the indefensible.

SEPT 23 1989

Have we a surname of the man?

MrFresh

biko wrote: »

No mention of bail in story and for burglary it's not a problem.
It's not clear to me if it was the assailant that OP claims have now been bailed.

The driver of the vehicle was arrested. He was charged with burglary and brought before Blanch court this morning. He had an outstanding bench warrant when arrested. Gardaí objected to bail based on O'Callaghan rules and the fact he had taken about a half dozen previous bench warrants on different charges. Judge granted bail. I was in the court on another matter. That's how I know he got bail.

fritzelly

Gards object to bail based on history and based on assault of a gardai
Judge ignores them
What does that say about people doing there job to uphold the law?

High time there was a massive reform for judges, but didn't we try that already and they didn't like it so it disappeared into obscurity
Any assault on garda should be classed at the higher levels and give them some respect for the crap job they do
Think in the UK any assault on the police is treated with absolute contempt and they are sided with by the judge in such cases and you get prison time

LuasSimon

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Have we a surname of the man?

All the hallmarks of one of the many traveller burglary gangs .... judges are in love with travellers nearly as much as RTÉ

Atlantic Dawn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Have we a surname of the man?

NoT yeT.

Cork Trucker

Someone's been watching The General recently

After the 28-year-old was arrested, officers found a large number of burglary implements in the Audi's boot including two-way radios, extendable ladders, cutting equipment and extra fuel.

Hal3000

A nice lovely suspended sentence coming soon... And when they get caught again it'll be another, and another and then another...Lovely little country.

jaxxx

Accountability, that's one thing this country sorely needs. Ministers accountable for their blatant inability to perform in their assigned roles, judges held accountable for their absolutely pathetic sentencing, etc. In short: people being held to account for their own f*ck ups instead of passing the blame over and over again like a game of pass the parcel, waiting for someone else to come and fix the mess while they sit pretty claiming all their undeserved entitlements.

Hal3000

jaxxx wrote: »

Accountability, that's one thing this country sorely needs. Ministers accountable for their blatant inability to perform in their assigned roles, judges held accountable for their absolutely pathetic sentencing, etc. In short: people being held to account for their own f*ck ups instead of passing the blame over and over again like a game of pass the parcel, waiting for someone else to come and fix the mess while they sit pretty claiming all their undeserved entitlements.

Is starting a petition for judicial reform any use?

fritzelly

I wouldn't be up on the law in Ireland (never had reason to be) but it seems to be all about maximum sentences that someone can get when it should be about minimum sentences that judges have to abide by
None of this crap of oh you've been a naughty boy again, don't do it again! And away they go to do the same thing over and over again.

drunkmonkey

fritzelly wrote: »

Gards object to bail based on history and based on assault of a gardai
Judge ignores them
What does that say about people doing there job to uphold the law?

Gardaí lie their pants off in court the whole time. What we need is serious punishment for ones that do then the judges might believe them.

Donald Trump

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Someone's been watching The General recently

Or else they know that pulling into a forecourt off on their trips down the country would place them at a given location

SEPT 23 1989

Judges need to spend a couple of years living in deprived areas before they are allowed to take up their positions

See what sentences are given out then

Hal3000

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Judges need to spend a couple of years living in deprived areas before they are allowed to take up their positions

See what sentences are given out then

Won't ever happen here. We are a joke on crime an absolute joke. The criminals are well aware of this now. There are even people here who belive stricter sentencing is wrong.

fritzelly

Hal3000 wrote: »

Is starting a petition for judicial reform any use?

Totally pointless, they are a law unto themselves literally
The Law Societies argument is government shouldn't be able to tell them how to do their job...or something like that...

Makes me sick seeing people with countless convictions just continually playing the system but the average joe bloggs ends up in jail for the most minor misdemeanour
Joke of a system
We all know the judges that just don't seem to give a crap about anything and let hardened criminals walk away scot free

AnMuinteoirOg

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Gardaí lie their pants off in court the whole time. What we need is serious punishment for ones that do then the judges might believe them.

Do you have any examples of this?

suicide_circus

i dont want ordinary gardai to be armed but when you read a story like that you realise a few rounds would save the community a lot of heartache and the state millions in legal cases.

splinter65

My friend and her husband and other neighbors in a very rural area are tormented for about a 15 year period by a local man.
Trespassing on their property, defecating on the doorstep, leaving knives embedded in hanging baskets, passing by and shouting obscenities, making threats to kill. CCTV is useful to check if he’s been around while your out, and the Gardai will look at it but rule it inadmissible in court.
He’s been arrested many many times brought in front of the judge and granted bail every time and given suspended sentences except for 4 short sentences after each of which he has behaved for long periods of time.
Lately he’s escalated to threatening people with knives and pulled a knife on a local business man in his business when the owner stopped him from trying to kiss the neck of a female customer.
Owner called the Gardai who came and found him with the knife on him, arrested him, found 5 other warrants for his arrest, up in front of the judge, got bail.
So he’s out now armed and he knows this business called the Gardai on him.
Thank God he’s been arrested again for something else and being held till Monday where he will be bailed again.

suicide_circus

splinter65 wrote: »

My friend and her husband and other neighbors in a very rural area are tormented for about a 15 year period by a local man.
Trespassing on their property, defecating on the doorstep, leaving knives embedded in hanging baskets, passing by and shouting obscenities, making threats to kill. CCTV is useful to check if he’s been around while your out, and the Gardai will look at it but rule it inadmissible in court.
He’s been arrested many many times brought in front of the judge and granted bail every time and given suspended sentences except for 4 short sentences after each of which he has behaved for long periods of time.
Lately he’s escalated to threatening people with knives and pulled a knife on a local business man in his business when the owner stopped him from trying to kiss the neck of a female customer.
Owner called the Gardai who came and found him with the knife on him, arrested him, found 5 other warrants for his arrest, up in front of the judge, got bail.
So he’s out now armed and he knows this business called the Gardai on him.
Thank God he’s been arrested again for something else and being held till Monday where he will be bailed again.

someone in the community needs to do the decent thing and put him in a shallow grave.

mynamejeff

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Gardaí lie their pants off in court the whole time. What we need is serious punishment for ones that do then the judges might believe them.

you are somehow managing to blame the gardai for this mess ?


thats some impressive mental gymnastics right there ,

Kermit.de.frog

Is the problem the judges or lack of prison spaces?

I'm inclined to think it's a mix of both.

If what the OP described occurred in a properly run country that individual would not be on bail.

Don't know why we tolerate this.

Ninthlife

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Is the problem the judges or lack of prison spaces?

I'm inclined to think it's a mix of both.

If what the OP described occurred in a properly run country that individual would not be on bail.

Don't know why we tolerate this.

The last two general elections have brought politicians to my door and my first question was judicial reform. One labour TD was bewildered as to why I thought it was needed. I also brought up the lack of prison spaces and the need for a new larger prison. I got some round about answer that really answered nothing.

By making this an election issue is admitting theres an issue and we cant be having that.

Commit a certain category of crime should automatically revoke any rights one may have to legal aid, social welfare. Let those do gooders set up a voluntary legal service for those who cant afford representation.

Country offers far too much to those who contribute f**k all

Turner

Caught for a burglary and a stolen audi rs6. Will probably get 4yrs with 1 suspended

His trial will be in 2021 at this stage.

The legal profession knows he will commit as many crimes as he can until he gets locked up in 2021.

Whats better to get you through a 3 year sentence than knowing you have 60 grand in cash (or whatever he can rob by 2021) buried for when you get out

All these crimes committed while waiting on his trial..... will earn more LEGAL AID.

Lock him up now, you will deprive solicitors/barristers a large chunk of the annual legal aid bounty.

Simple