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State financed women's outreach program under scrutiny for misappropriation of funds?

  • 10-07-2019 2:53pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭


    https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/investigate-ruhama-s-public-funding


    Found this on reddit.

    Quite interesting.

    Interesting first because, this organization is actually effectively the contemporary form of the infamous "Magdalene Laundries" - who were responsible for gross acts of inhumanity and exploitation against exiled women back when.

    In addition - there was also the issue of multiple counts of infanticide.

    From what I gather, an organization of women who promote chastity - and were subsequently responsible for the introduction of a 2017 law, criminalizing those who pay for sex.

    It was predicted, and has since come to fruition that, due to repercussions of this misplaced ideal - violent crimes against industry workers have risen by more than 100%


    So - from what I'm seeing - similar kind of framework; intention to protect and assist, outcome is to exacerbate exploitation and further implicate misery.


    Anyhow - they're more recently coming under scrutiny due to a suppose 550k of their 700k state funded annual income, going not to the corerced and vulnerable whom they've supposedly sworn to protect.

    But rather - on "admin fees" - i.e. personal salaries.

    It would appear some individual has taken action and raised the issue of a potential audit to be sanctioned by Minister for Justice, Charlie F., which supposedly comes into effect if and when the petition reaches 1000 signatures.


    Well - it sounds like one all around depraved situation - to me at least.


    What do ya'll make of this?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat



    Interesting first because, this organization is actually effectively the contemporary form of the infamous "Magdalene Laundries" - who were responsible for gross acts of inhumanity and exploitation against exiled women back when.

    In addition - there was also the issue of multiple counts of infanticide.

    An advocacy group for prostitutes is the same as archaic workhouses for pregnant women? What children were murdered?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,314 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Scandalous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    sabat wrote: »
    An advocacy group for prostitutes

    They are anything but an advocacy group for prostitutes, considering they want to see sex work remain illegitimate and illegal. Changing which party to it is considered a criminal is a mere cosmetic change, in practise it means maintaining the status quo and all the taboo that goes with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,211 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    sabat wrote: »
    An advocacy group for prostitutes is the same as archaic workhouses for pregnant women? What children were murdered?

    Hundreds of children where murdered in those homes.

    Women too.

    Ruhama is not an advocacy group for prostitutes. It's run by the sisters of mercy...the exact same order that ran the Magdalene laundries.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,896 ✭✭✭sabat


    Hundreds of children where murdered in those homes.

    Women too.

    I think you people have gone insane...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,211 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    sabat wrote: »
    I think you people have gone insane...


    It's documented. There is no question about it.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/analysis/bessborough-children-were-buried-in-unmarked-graves-as-late-as-1990-828680.html



    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/tuam-babies-remains-of-hundreds-of-children-feared-buried-in-mass-grave-to-be-exhumed-37450152.html
    THE remains of hundreds of children feared buried in a mass grave at a former Bon Secours Mother and Baby Home are to be exhumed
    https://www.thejournal.ie/bon-secours-sisters-response-tuam-remains-3268928-Mar2017/

    Today, it was confirmed that a “significant” amount of human remains were found on a site connected to the mother and baby home. The area had been flagged as a possible mass burial site by researcher Catherine Corless.

    Rory Connor
    3 December 2007]

    (A) "Medical View 'Inconsistent' with Goldenbridge Abuse" - extract from article in The Sunday Times (Irish Edition) 28 April 1996

    One of the more chilling allegations to surface was that an 11-month-old baby died four days after she was put into Goldenbridge. When the infant's father, Myles Howe. returned from England and went to St Ultan's hospital, he was told by a nurse that his baby had burns on her knees but the staff had got her too late to save her. The postmortem said the child died of dysentery.

    The Howes have never been satisfied by the official response.

    [Doctor] Prendiville [1] recalls that St Ultan's was established largely for dealing with bowel complaints such as dysentery or gastroenteritis, a common illness among children which at that time could reach epidemic proportions in Dublin. He speculated that Marian Howe was more than likely admitted to St Ultan's with a bowel complaint. "I wouldn't say that burns of that size on a child's legs would have been the cause of death. They didn't treat burns in St Ultan's. If the baby died from a burn, there would have to be an inquest. But failure to communicate information is a defect in many hospitals," he said.

    But if the burns were not the cause of Marian's death, asks Howe, why was he told by Xavieria that it was an "accident" and not dysentery that killed his child? Why, on his arrival at St Ultan's to see his dead child, did a nurse indicate to him that his daughter had died of burns? And why could nobody explain to him the large burn marks on the sides of her knees?

    The outrage that followed the Prime Time programme [2] was directed as much at Xavieria's denials of abuse as at an apparently "soft" line of questioning. The allegation that a baby in her charge died of burns was not put to her on the programme. The reason was that after researching the allegation, the Prime Time team could find no evidence to support it. according to an RTE source. The reporter did ask Xavieria about the incident, he said, but her response was edited out of the programme.

    Both Buckley and Dear Daughter producer Louis Lentin, regard the Prime Time report as an effort by RTE to undermine the documentary. "Sister Xavieria is perfectly entitled to any right of reply, but this programme bent over backwards to be reverential," said Lentin. "The facts were not put to her in a strong, investigative manner."

    References:
    [1] Doctor J. B. Prendiville was a senior surgeon who worked at the hospital where children from Goldenbridge were treated during the 1950s.

    Goldenbridge was run by the sisters of mercy.

    Not sure about who you mean by you people. Kevin Myers used to say that too. He defended Nora Wall ( Sister Dominic) The Miss Trunchbull of the Sisters of Mercy. Nora Wall was later found guilty of raping a 10 yr old girl. She was a member of the order.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II



    Goldenbridge was run by the sisters of mercy.

    Not sure about who you mean by you people. Kevin Myers used to say that too. He defended Nora Wall ( Sister Dominic) The Miss Trunchbull of the Sisters of Mercy. Nora Wall was later found guilty of raping a 10 yr old girl. She was a member of the order.

    I never heard of Nora Wall but a quick search shows wiki saying the conviction was quashed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    I never heard of Nora Wall but a quick search shows wiki saying the conviction was quashed.
    Dont let truth come in the way of propaganda


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,211 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    I never heard of Nora Wall but a quick search shows wiki saying the conviction was quashed.
    On a technicality.

    And there is no doubt she has responsibility at Golden Bridge through some of it's most abusive years.

    She's a child predator.

    Paul McCabe confessed to it. She assisted.

    No doubt in my mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,211 ✭✭✭✭ILoveYourVibes


    Edgware wrote: »
    Dont let truth come in the way of propaganda


    No propaganda.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1203/124953-abuse/

    Never hear of Christine Buckley?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    Moved from AH > CA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,440 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    On a technicality.

    And there is no doubt she has responsibility at Golden Bridge through some of it's most abusive years.

    She's a child predator.

    Paul McCabe confessed to it. She assisted.

    No doubt in my mind.
    Eh, one of the accusers admitted she made it up ! That's hardly a technicality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,592 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Uplift have a pronounced liberal agenda. No time for the sisters of mercy or any other of their like,but what difference if donations or Government funding goes on wages?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭bo0li5eumx12kp


    kneemos wrote: »
    Uplift have a pronounced liberal agenda. No time for the sisters of mercy or any other of their like,but what difference if donations or Government funding goes on wages?

    Is that a serious question?

    It's like saying, "so what if some corporation embezzles funds?"

    Or, "who cares tax payers money gets spent on Leo Varadkar and Simon Harris's hooker parties?"

    Or, "so what if that girl scout from whom you bought cookies off last week, spent the money on cocaine and breast enhancement surgery?".

    Mate - the organization is blatantly corrupt.

    They're not there to help weak vulnerable women.
    They're there to prey and victimize them more so.

    Cause why?

    Cause they're an organization of sexually repressed and malcontent spiteful women, and the idea of sex being so attainable for men, drives them CRAZY.
    So they aim to punish the women that provide it to them.

    Punish them, by wearing a mask of virtue, whilst embodying complete deviancy.

    This petition - giving rise to this audit - could, and should, expose that.
    Expose the fact that only a fraction of the hundreds of thousands they receive in state funding goes to the intended, and is in actual fact being spent on ensuring the corrupt organization admins are driving Mercedes SLK's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,447 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Is that a serious question?

    It's like saying, "so what if some corporation embezzles funds?"

    Or, "who cares tax payers money gets spent on Leo Varadkar and Simon Harris's hooker parties?"

    Or, "so what if that girl scout from whom you bought cookies off last week, spent the money on cocaine and breast enhancement surgery?".

    Mate - the organization is blatantly corrupt.

    They're not there to help weak vulnerable women.
    They're there to prey and victimize them more so.

    Cause why?

    Cause they're an organization of sexually repressed and malcontent spiteful women, and the idea of sex being so attainable for men, drives them CRAZY.
    So they aim to punish the women that provide it to them.

    Punish them, by wearing a mask of virtue, whilst embodying complete deviancy.

    This petition - giving rise to this audit - could, and should, expose that.
    Expose the fact that only a fraction of the hundreds of thousands they receive in state funding goes to the intended, and is in actual fact being spent on ensuring the corrupt organization admins are driving Mercedes SLK's.


    What a load of nonsense, and frankly this petition will go nowhere either, precisely because what you have there, and in your opening post, is a load of nonsense.

    There’s no corruption or embezzlement, just an organisation you don’t like. That’s not enough to accuse anyone of any wrongdoing.

    ps - your statistics (or rather the statistics quoted in that petition) are laughable. Not even worth entertaining.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,355 ✭✭✭bo0li5eumx12kp


    What a load of nonsense, and frankly this petition will go nowhere either, precisely because what you have there, and in your opening post, is a load of nonsense.

    There’s no corruption or embezzlement, just an organisation you don’t like. That’s not enough to accuse anyone of any wrongdoing.

    ps - your statistics (or rather the statistics quoted in that petition) are laughable. Not even worth entertaining.

    It's hilarious to me that some people live their lives shrouded in the depth of ignorance you've just exhibited.

    But you know - I guess that's okay.

    So long as you don't get in the way.

    Stay home and keep playing solitaire and mine-sweep bro, pretending you live in some delusional fantasy of an ideal world with the pre-disposed ideal mechanics you obviously believe it has.


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