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eposhea

Hey everyone - this group seems an absolute fountain of knowledge. I have posted similar on the Irish EV group on FB, so if you are reading this for 2nd time, thanks for patience!

Looking for advice - here's my situation:

• Currently drive a 16 Hyundai Tucson and can't justify that car for such a short commute. Wife does not drive manual so we normally take her car for longer trips at the weekend. But she can drive the EV too if purchased.
• Living in Passage in Cork
• Renting, but looking to buy a house within 6 months - will put in Home Charger
• Current commute is 30km round trip Monday to Friday and some adhoc at driving at weekends
• Can charge in work no problem and charge points in Rochestown/Douglas for weekends
• Monthly trips to Tralee and Waterford (120kms each way) - charge points in Waterford, but scarce in Tralee I believe
  
• If I was to buy an EV, I was looking at a 161 Leaf 30Kwh.

What are peoples thoughts on having an EV, but no facility to charge at home...best to wait 6 months and get home charger installed when we buy a house?

Also, I see a lot of chatter about Chademo and CCS/Ionity...since a 2nd hand Leaf will lack ability to charge via Ionity, is it a realistic option? I feel the resale value in 2 years will be considerably lower when more cars are on the market and can utilise the CCS network? Or is CCS so new that it won't be much significance for Leaf owners for a number of years?

Thank you!

KCross

eposhea wrote: »

What are peoples thoughts on having an EV, but no facility to charge at home...best to wait 6 months and get home charger installed when we buy a house?

The L30 or better is the right choice because of your monthly trips which are beyond the range of the older EV's.

Not having a charge point for 6 months will be OK if you can charge via a granny cable, particularly with your short daily commute. Can you run an extension lead to the car from your current rented house?

NOTE: Some leaf's dont come with a granny cable so you need to watch for that. They are a few hundred quid to buy aftermarket.

eposhea wrote: »

Also, I see a lot of chatter about Chademo and CCS/Ionity...since a 2nd hand Leaf will lack ability to charge via Ionity, is it a realistic option? I feel the resale value in 2 years will be considerably lower when more cars are on the market and can utilise the CCS network? Or is CCS so new that it won't be much significance for Leaf owners for a number of years?

You'll get wildly different opinions on that question.

Ionity is the only network that wont support the Leaf. The other charge networks will, so you wont be stuck.
It's not a deal breaker imo. You will have plenty other rapids to choose from in the years ahead and you will not need them at all for the journeys you've outlined so I dont think you should worry about it.

daheff

I might be shot here, but with daily round trip of 30km its hard (to me)to justify extra expense of an ev over an ice for that level of driving.

I do twice that and from my rough calcs, im barely breaking even with an ice(even with a work charger for return journey-fwiw i have a niro phev). Part of my costs over 3 years includes home charger install. Without it I'm probably slightly ahead...but only just.

eposhea

daheff wrote: »

I might be shot here, but with daily round trip of 30km its hard (to me)to justify extra expense of an ev over an ice for that level of driving.

I do twice that and from my rough calcs, im barely breaking even with an ice(even with a work charger for return journey-fwiw i have a niro phev). Part of my costs over 3 years includes home charger install. Without it I'm probably slightly ahead...but only just.

Yea - I am going to do the math and have a look alright. I got the 161 Tuscon for good money and it's worth a decent chunk, but just not using it enough to justify the size etc, we have a Peugeot 3008 as 2nd car and can use that for longer journeys if needed - that's an automatic as my wife cannot drive a manual!

Decisions, decisions! is PHEV worth it? From looking online it seems that the electric only has a short range of maybe 50kms or most? And then using regular ICE engine for the rest?

eposhea

KCross wrote: »

The L30 or better is the right choice because of your monthly trips which are beyond the range of the older EV's.

Not having a charge point for 6 months will be OK if you can charge via a granny cable, particularly with your short daily commute. Can you run an extension lead to the car from your current rented house?

NOTE: Some leaf's dont come with a granny cable so you need to watch for that. They are a few hundred quid to buy aftermarket.



You'll get wildly different opinions on that question.

Ionity is the only network that wont support the Leaf. The other charge networks will, so you wont be stuck.
It's not a deal breaker imo. You will have plenty other rapids to choose from in the years ahead and you will not need them at all for the journeys you've outlined so I dont think you should worry about it.

We are in sn estate, so the cable would be going over a common area foot path - not sure how that would go down with neighbours - but possible with a mat over the cable so people don't trip..would have to see.

Good to know about Ionity/CCS tho - thank you!

September1

eposhea wrote: »

Also, I see a lot of chatter about Chademo and CCS/Ionity...since a 2nd hand Leaf will lack ability to charge via Ionity, is it a realistic option? I feel the resale value in 2 years will be considerably lower when more cars are on the market and can utilise the CCS network? Or is CCS so new that it won't be much significance for Leaf owners for a number of years?

Thank you!

It is hard to predict what will happen in future. Currently there is only location where you cannot use chademo and according to Ionity there will be two more. There are 9 Nissan dealer locations that are Chademo only, so currently and in near term Chademo would have access to bigger network of fast chargers than CCS in Ireland.

pdpmur

eposhea wrote: »

We are in sn estate, so the cable would be going over a common area foot path - not sure how that would go down with neighbours - but possible with a mat over the cable so people don't trip..would have to see.

Sounds like a compensation claim case waiting to happen. I would strongly recommend that under no circumstances should you trail cables across a footpath or public area, even with mats or other cable protection. You would have no comeback if someone made a claim against you unless you have 24/7 cctv coverage of the cable, and even then someone could still claim on the basis of a rumpled mat or lip or protruding cable protection that caused a trip hazard.

MrMusician18

pdpmur wrote: »

Sounds like a compensation claim case waiting to happen. I would strongly recommend that under no circumstances should you trail cables across a footpath or public area, even with mats or other cable protection. You would have no comeback if someone made a claim against you unless you have 24/7 cctv coverage of the cable, and even then someone could still claim on the basis of a rumpled mat or lip or protruding cable protection that caused a trip hazard.

Probably true unfortunately.

Have there been any cases in Ireland where a member of the public has sued a driver when they tripped over a cable at a roadside SCP?

Calahonda52

eposhea wrote: »

We are in sn estate, so the cable would be going over a common area foot path - not sure how that would go down with neighbours - but possible with a mat over the cable so people don't trip..would have to see.

This is a crazy idea, have you not been reading any papers

Calahonda52

daheff wrote: »

I might be shot here, but with daily round trip of 30km its hard (to me)to justify extra expense of an ev over an ice for that level of driving.

I do twice that and from my rough calcs, im barely breaking even with an ice(even with a work charger for return journey-fwiw i have a niro phev). Part of my costs over 3 years includes home charger install. Without it I'm probably slightly ahead...but only just.

Can you set out the math in more detail here please so as we can all look at it.

seannash

Just to add, you don't know what type of house you'll have in 6 months. Could be one with only on street parking.
My advice is wait. 6months of petrol on that short commute wouldn't justify the small risk of getting an EV now.

eposhea

pdpmur wrote: »

Sounds like a compensation claim case waiting to happen. I would strongly recommend that under no circumstances should you trail cables across a footpath or public area, even with mats or other cable protection. You would have no comeback if someone made a claim against you unless you have 24/7 cctv coverage of the cable, and even then someone could still claim on the basis of a rumpled mat or lip or protruding cable protection that caused a trip hazard.

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Probably true unfortunately.

Have there been any cases in Ireland where a member of the public has sued a driver when they tripped over a cable at a roadside SCP?

Calahonda52 wrote: »

This is a crazy idea, have you not been reading any papers

Sorry - should have been more clear - there is no way I'd have a trip hazard out there - not in the claim culture we have at the anyway! In my head I was thinking that I would need to get up at 2am and plug in for a couple of hours if I had to resort to granny cable. But I know its not worth the risk.

Let's forget it was mentioned and get back on topic. I am probably leaning towards waiting until we get a house and see what set up I can go with then.