Kepak athleague protest

rainybillwill

The ICSA sheep price protest outside Kepak Athleague is continuing today.

ICSA sheep chairman Sean McNamara says that a stand has to be taken against excessive price cuts, with as little as €4.80/kg base price being offered.Kepak athleague is offering the lowest prices in Ireland

wrangler

rainybillwill wrote: »

The ICSA sheep price protest outside Kepak Athleague is continuing today.

ICSA sheep chairman Sean McNamara says that a stand has to be taken against excessive price cuts, with as little as €4.80/kg base price being offered.Kepak athleague is offering the lowest prices in Ireland

I wouldn't be surprised if they were all on 4.80 tomorrow ''in support''

blue5000

rainybillwill wrote: »

The ICSA sheep price protest outside Kepak Athleague is continuing today.

ICSA sheep chairman Sean McNamara says that a stand has to be taken against excessive price cuts, with as little as €4.80/kg base price being offered.Kepak athleague is offering the lowest prices in Ireland

Welcome to boards, seems the rest of them are a bit keener to have the cold stores full;)

Green farmer

Cutting 20-30 cent a kilo off lambs every week for the last few weeks. Whatever last shred of respect one has for the factory’s is evaporating quickly. Are they seriously trying to stamp out every sheep and beef farmer. They don’t seem to want out meat and the definitely don’t want us to make a living. A tipping point will come when lads will just have had enough.

charolais0153

Green farmer wrote: »

Cutting 20-30 cent a kilo off lambs every week for the last few weeks. Whatever last shred of respect one has for the factory’s is evaporating quickly. Are they seriously trying to stamp out every sheep and beef farmer. They don’t seem to want out meat and the definitely don’t want us to make a living. A tipping point will come when lads will just have had enough.

they cut over a euro in 2 weeks last year, same **** ,different year

Base price

I'm not a sheep farmer, haven't kept sheep in over 30 years but I was wondering what effect on prices do imported lambs from the North and I think Scotland have.
What I mean is - do lamb imports have a simular effect as factory controlled feedlot cattle in suppressing prices.

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

I'm not a sheep farmer, haven't kept sheep in over 30 years but I was wondering what effect on prices do imported lambs from the North and I think Scotland have.
What I mean is - do lamb imports have a simular effect as factory controlled feedlot cattle in suppressing prices.

Feedlot cattle would be there anyway, it's not as if they'd disappear if processors didn't feed them, Factories can control supply without ever owning any cattle if they want to
As for lambs we can't whinge about british lambs being killed here while we're dumping 50% of our beef in to Britain

White Clover

wrangler wrote: »

Feedlot cattle would be there anyway, it's not as if they'd disappear if processors didn't feed them, Factories can control supply without ever owning any cattle if they want to
As for lambs we can't whinge about british lambs being killed here while we're dumping 50% of our beef in to Britain

Don't forget Wrangler that Britain do not produce enough beef for their domestic market, whereas we have enough lamb here.
The truth is that factories import lambs from Britain to suppress the market here. There is no other reason.

wrangler

White Clover wrote: »

Don't forget Wrangler that Britain do not produce enough beef for their domestic market, whereas we have enough lamb here.
The truth is that factories import lambs from Britain to suppress the market here. There is no other reason.

It's business I suppose, there's posters on here that buy stuff online rather than deal locally, my OH does the same so It's hard for anyone to take the high ground. ICM sell a lot of lamb to England too that they mightn't sell if it was labeled as Irish.
The running costs of the factory will be a lot less per lamb if they kill 3000/day than if they kill 2000/day so I suppose we're getting some benefit that way.

Green farmer

Base price wrote: »

What I mean is - do lamb imports have a simular effect as factory controlled feedlot cattle in suppressing prices.

Absolutely. Regularly reported that icm and the rest use imports to make up a large % of daily kill. Lads have even posted mart results across the water and factored in transport costs, to make lambs more expensive then here, but they still arrive. It also makes a joke of what’s stamped bord bia qa approved. What controls are put in place to keep Qa assured Irish lambs separate from the imported ones, once their all
Chopped up and put in boxes ?

White Clover

wrangler wrote: »

It's business I suppose, there's posters on here that buy stuff online rather than deal locally, my OH does the same so It's hard for anyone to take the high ground. ICM sell a lot of lamb to England too that they mightn't sell if it was labeled as Irish.
The running costs of the factory will be a lot less per lamb if they kill 3000/day than if they kill 2000/day so I suppose we're getting some benefit that way.

If they paid properly, they would have 3000 Irish lambs per day no problem.
I agree about buying local, it's what I do myself and I notice a lot of my friends starting to cop onto the same thing.
My manager in my off farm job 10 years ago was always telling us to always try and buy from other local businesses, we'd get a turn then when they'd be looking for what we had.

wrangler

White Clover wrote: »

If they paid properly, they would have 3000 Irish lambs per day no problem.
I agree about buying local, it's what I do myself and I notice a lot of my friends starting to cop onto the same thing.
My manager in my off farm job 10 years ago was always telling us to always try and buy from other local businesses, we'd get a turn then when they'd be looking for what we had.

Prices will have to increase Europe wide, processors here can't pay €120 for lambs and then compete on European markets with english lambs that cost €100

_Brian

as time goes by I realise and accept that factories don’t have to pay fair prices, they’re plc’s after all Their job is to pay the bare minimum they can get away with.
From their perspective feedlots or importing lambs is key to putting manners on farmers expecting increased prices.

They no longer care about having Irish supplies as with international markets there will always be access to beef and lamb from somewhere, the South American deal just reinforces this. Consumers are too price oriented, and with the whole blackening of Irish farming from a climate perspective exporting beef/lamb production is an easy win towards meeting targets.

Don’t think representative organisations can do much about the whole thing either, one is too small and the other is too in bed with said processors to do anything but smoke signals.

I didn’t see the article but fella telling me yesterday that Larry is making over €100million and paying no tax, it’s some joke, and lads round the country breaking their holes producing beef/lamb and no choice but supply at or below cost price.

Can’t see this FG government doing anything as I said earlier, it will suit them to let beef farms go out of business and so ease emissions problems while sourcing beef elsewhere.

coolshannagh28

ABP showing profits of 170 000000 , processing 1000000 cattle Europewide , do the math.

wrangler

_Brian wrote: »

as time goes by I realise and accept that factories don’t have to pay fair prices, they’re plc’s after all Their job is to pay the bare minimum they can get away with.
From their perspective feedlots or importing lambs is key to putting manners on farmers expecting increased prices.

They no longer care about having Irish supplies as with international markets there will always be access to beef and lamb from somewhere, the South American deal just reinforces this. Consumers are too price oriented, and with the whole blackening of Irish farming from a climate perspective exporting beef/lamb production is an easy win towards meeting targets.

Don’t think representative organisations can do much about the whole thing either, one is too small and the other is too in bed with said processors to do anything but smoke signals.

I didn’t see the article but fella telling me yesterday that Larry is making over €100million and paying no tax, it’s some joke, and lads round the country breaking their holes producing beef/lamb and no choice but supply at or below cost price.

Can’t see this FG government doing anything as I said earlier, it will suit them to let beef farms go out of business and so ease emissions problems while sourcing beef elsewhere.

There's no one in bed with processors, that accusation is just a cop out by farmers.
I was absolutely delighted and surprised to see a Beef Plan post during the week stating ''twas hard enough to get them to go to Athleague'' when someone suggested another protest,

Nothing new there so

wrangler

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

ABP showing profits of 170 000000 , processing 1000000 cattle Europewide , do the math.

ABP processes more than 1000000 cattle and their sheep kill must be in the millions too

Siamsa Sessions

_Brian wrote: »

They no longer care about having Irish supplies as with international markets there will always be access to beef and lamb from somewhere, the South American deal just reinforces this. Consumers are too price oriented,

Nail on the head, especially the last bit.

McDonalds would sell healthy salads if people wanted them. Supermarkets and factories would supply environmentally-friendly, local food if people wanted that. Their bottom line is selling stuff - "it's not personal", as Michael Corleone said the The Godfather, "Just business".

The farmer representative groups need to target consumers and raise awareness of buying local, albeit Ireland is compromised in this regard because we export so much. Also need to try get consumers to value healthy food but Government and other policy-makers have given the supermarkets and fast-food outlets free rein to the point where they have convinced people that food should be cheap and no amount of processed rubbish is unhealthy.

Turning the obesity juggernaut around will take some time but better to start now. That's where the farmer reps (and I'm involved in one) should be focusing. Wasting time and effort fighting small battles over 10c/kg will get us no place in the long term.

Dinzee Conlee

What is the goal of the protest? What are they hoping to achieve?

Willfarman

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

ABP showing profits of 170 000000 , processing 1000000 cattle Europewide , do the math.

170€ clear profit per animal?

coolshannagh28

Willfarman wrote: »

170€ clear profit per animal?

Is that unreasonable considering the capital involved ?

dh1985

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Is that unreasonable considering the capital involved ?

Doesn't seem excessive. It's a pity the farmer isnt making it even though he bears all the risk.

wrangler

Willfarman wrote: »

170€ clear profit per animal?

They kill more than 1000000 cattle, then there's the sheep as well.
80 - 100 EUROS/HD is often quoted, I'd say it's nearer to the truth
There's not too many that'd put the work in and do what he did