Japan resumes commercial Whaling

bessboroughboy

If you're outraged by this blatant, arrogant, ignorant, selfish disregard for a species, there is PLENTY you can do


1). Switch to a non-Japanese Asian brand when you buy your next car

2). Switch to a non-Japanese brand when you buy your next home entertainment product


Pretty soon, the likes of Sony, Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. will let the Japanese government know that sales are being affected.

No need to waste time contacting their embassy, a kick in the pocket will do just fine.

They ain't exactly dolphin friendly either!

bessboroughboy

No replies in 3 hours - strange

Midnight_EG

So how do you suppose the aul Japanese gubbermint will know that you're not buying a Honda (made in Swindon btw) because of some unfortunate fishing practices?

bessboroughboy

Midnight_EG wrote: »

So how do you suppose the aul Japanese gubbermint will know that you're not buying a Honda (made in Swindon btw) because of some unfortunate fishing practices?

First up, thanks for replying.

It would be an accumulative process -

"Hey, all our manufacturers are losing sales because their potential customers don't agree with skewering creatures alive and dragging them out of their environment simply because they don't have either weapons or legal rights"

Glad you raised the point of how many employees Honda have in Swindon, hopefully they decide to strike as a protest against whaling.

Your "unfortunate fishing practice" is my "concerted massacre of sea mammals".

Smiles35

Yes. I'll join you on this. I will look out for a petition of some sort to sign up to to let the Japanase government know a sizable amount of people are doing this.

bessboroughboy

Japanese Embassy,
Nutley Building,
Merrion Centre,
Nutley Lane,
Dublin 4
D04 RP73

Tel: 01 202 8300
Fax: 01 283 8726 (General)

Maybe they'd be happy to supply a list of Japanese companies whose products are available in Ireland?

We may not be be able to prevent them from skewering sea mammals alive but we don't have to sponsor it!

Audi, BWM, Ford, Volkswagen, Volvo, etc.

bessboroughboy

I wonder if it's legal to post unwanted, Japanese home entertainment products to the above address?

Witcher

Utterly pointless

RocketRaccoon

bessboroughboy wrote: »

I wonder if it's legal to post unwanted, Japanese home entertainment products to the above address?

Post them to me if you want.

Tacitus Kilgore

If their war crimes in WWII didn't stop me buying 50 odd japanese cars, a few whales aint gonna.

Do you own anything chinese, vietnamese or korean made? (I bet you do) you know they eat dogs :eek:

bessboroughboy

Witcher wrote: »

Utterly pointless

Not completely, please consider it : )

Boxing.Fan

bessboroughboy wrote: »

No replies in 3 hours - strange

Its low down on the list of things to be outraged about at the moment.

bessboroughboy

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Post them to me if you want.

Can I tip a skip in your garden? it's all good stuff, honest!

El Tarangu

Are the particular whale species they are hunting endangered?

If not, while I still don't agree with it, I don't find it any more objectionable than any of the other 50 billion-ish animals killed for humanity's enjoyment each year.

bessboroughboy

Boxing.Fan wrote: »

Its low down on the list of things to be outraged about at the moment.

Fair point, lots of other concerns worldwide but can't think of anything I can do about Syria for instance.

bessboroughboy

El Tarangu wrote: »

Are the particular whale species they are hunting endangered?

If not, while I still don't agree with it, I don't find it any more objectionable than any of the other 50 billion-ish animals killed for humanity's enjoyment each year.

Agricultural livestock are stunned first (I think) not skewered alive.

Boxing.Fan

bessboroughboy wrote: »

Fair point, lots of other concerns worldwide but can't think of anything I can do about Syria for instance.

The topic would probably be suited better in the current affairs forum.

bessboroughboy

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

If their war crimes in WWII didn't stop me buying 50 odd japanese cars, a few whales aint gonna.

Do you own anything chinese, vietnamese or korean made? (I bet you do) you know they eat dogs :eek:

The general consensus has shifted in about 70 years I would say but not everyone has moved with it.

Also, the Berlin Wall is long gone so popular opinion matters.

I think there has been a recent shift regarding the eating of dogs in those countries?

RocketRaccoon

bessboroughboy wrote: »

Can I tip a skip in your garden? it's all good stuff, honest!

What kind of consoles/games/tvs are we talking about?

Suckit

I think the way it was done in previous boycotts, was everytime somebody bought a non-Japanese product, they emailed or wrote a letter to the company and/or the embassy explaining their reasoning for not choosing a Japanese product.

That was for the non-commercial/banned/'For Science' whaling, which was deemed excessive a couple of years ago.

This is the first time that they have allowed commercial whaling again, since 1988..
I'm surprised this isn't bigger news tbh.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/japan-whalers-bring-ashore-27-feet-minke-whale-say-was-worth-waiting-for-31-years-2062379

q85dw7osi4lebg

I'm outraged but feel a bit helpless. Cruel nation.

bessboroughboy

Suckit wrote: »

I think the way it was done in previous boycotts, was everytime somebody bought a non-Japanese product, they emailed or wrote a letter to the company and/or the embassy explaining their reasoning for not choosing a Japanese product.

That was for the non-commercial/banned whaling, which was deemed excessive a couple of years ago.

This is the first time that they have allowed commercial whaling again, since 1988..
I'm surprised this isn't bigger news tbh.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/japan-whalers-bring-ashore-27-feet-minke-whale-say-was-worth-waiting-for-31-years-2062379

Completely agree, people have no idea how important economics are.

A fierce backlash to this could easily result in a rapid cessation of such a barbaric practice.

Highly intelligent creatures being skewered alive, simply because they have neither a means to retaliate or legal representation.

Thanks for contributing!

bessboroughboy

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

What kind of consoles/games/tvs are we talking about?

I'm not being entirely serious about having good stuff, I just reckoned that posting a clapped out stereo to the Japanese Embassy would be a nuisance.

Tacitus Kilgore

bessboroughboy wrote: »

The general consensus has shifted in about 70 years I would say but not everyone has moved with it.

Also, the Berlin Wall is long gone so popular opinion matters.

I think there has been a recent shift regarding the eating of dogs in those countries?

Ah selective activism it is so. No unilateral outrage, just be angry at whatever suits. Like vegans at a festival in a working dairy farm, it's grand though, they're not eating meat - just ket.


You think there has been a recent shift? The thit chó i had last year tells me different.

bessboroughboy

Livia Fat Grave wrote: »

I'm outraged but feel a bit helpless. Cruel nation.

You're not helpless, Japan is hugely reliant on exports and any perceived threat to exports will be taken seriously.

There's also an annual Dolphin Massacre that takes place somewhere in Japan.

antix80

bessboroughboy wrote: »

Pretty soon, the likes of Sony, Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. will let the Japanese government know that sales are being affected.

To be honest, I don't really care about whaling. You'll probably find it's not something most people take into consideration when buying cars or electronics. The only Japanese products I use are made by Sony and Nintendo.

bessboroughboy

Tacitus Kilgore wrote: »

Ah selective activism it is so. No unilateral outrage, just be angry at whatever suits. Like vegans at a festival in a working dairy farm, it's grand though, they're not eating meat - just ket.


You think there has been a recent shift? The thit chó i had last year tells me different.

Can't do everything.

Total isolation isn't practical.

Didn't say it had ceased.

q85dw7osi4lebg

bessboroughboy wrote: »

You're not helpless, Japan is hugely reliant on exports and any perceived threat to exports will be taken seriously.

There's also an annual Dolphin Massacre that takes place somewhere in Japan.

I hope all the whaling ships sink

bessboroughboy

antix80 wrote: »

To be honest, I don't really care about whaling. You'll probably find it's not something most people take into consideration when buying cars or electronics. The only Japanese products I use are made by Sony and Nintendo.

Ok, not everyone cares : (

bessboroughboy

Livia Fat Grave wrote: »

I hope all the whaling ships sink

Contributing to Sea Shepherd might help with that ; )

ZiabR

bessboroughboy wrote: »

If you're outraged by this blatant, arrogant, ignorant, selfish disregard for a species, there is PLENTY you can do


1). Switch to a non-Japanese Asian brand when you buy your next car

2). Switch to a non-Japanese brand when you buy your next home entertainment product


Pretty soon, the likes of Sony, Honda, Mitsubishi, Toyota, etc. will let the Japanese government know that sales are being affected.

No need to waste time contacting their embassy, a kick in the pocket will do just fine.

They ain't exactly dolphin friendly either!

What you don't seem to realise is that Japan have been doing this non stop for the past 30 years anyway. They just called it scientific research. The difference now is that they are no longer hiding behind the scientific tag any more and are admitting to whaling for commercial and food purposes.

For example, under this new whaling act, Japan will only hunt whales in its own waters and will no longer hunt whales in artic waters. They have given a quota of 227 whales to 5 ships.

To put this into perspective, in 2016 when they were still "abiding" by international rules, they killed 333 whales.

Bottom line is, nothing has changed. Whaling yearly for the past 30 years has not affected their car sales, its not going to affect them now.

By the way, I am against whaling on a personal level but there is little that can be done, nothing has worked for the last number of decades.

NaFirinne

Some People aren't happy until the wipe every single creature off the planet. If we as a race continue like this, I don't think it will be long before nature hits back and our number is up.

Whaling I think should have a world wide ban and economic sanctions on any country from carrying it out....Whales are far too intelligent of beings to just be slaughtering them.

Trump style levy's should be placed on all Japanese goods world wide until they stop.

Suckit

ZiabR wrote: »

For example, under this new whaling act, Japan will only hunt whales in its own waters and will no longer hunt whales in artic waters. They have given a quota of 227 whales to 5 ships.
To put this into perspective, in 2016 when they were still "abiding" by international rules, they killed 333 whales.
Bottom line is, nothing has changed. Whaling yearly for the past 30 years has not affected their car sales, its not going to affect them now.

Just to point out.. The 227 is for 5 ships for 6 months.

During the moratorium/ban they have been killing up to 1200 per year.
So it would be fair to assume the figures that they have been killing in their seas will (at least) likely double.
Obviously the 'for science' was a cover to kill them as food, as after 31 years a massive portion of the population would have no idea what Whale tastes like.

Incidentally, they reason that Japan have lifted the ban, is because they left the IWC who wouldn't lift the moratorium for them. But you have to ask why would they, when Japan weren't really ever properly abiding to it in the first place.

Where they can Whale:

"Within its 12 mile coastal waters, Japan can do whatever it wants," Donald Rothwell, professor of international law at the Australian National University, told the BBC.
Beyond that, in its 200 miles (322km) exclusive economic zone and of course the high seas, the country is bound by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea.

ZiabR

NaFirinne wrote: »

Some People aren't happy until the wipe every single creature off the planet. If we as a race continue like this, I don't think it will be long before nature hits back and our number is up.

Sorry, what? Are you implying we are going to feel the wrath of god or some divine being? Thats not how the world works sadly. We are a cancer of this planet with no regard for the natural world or the species that we share it with.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Whaling I think should have a world wide ban and economic sanctions on any country from carrying it out....Whales are far too intelligent of beings to just be slaughtering them.

Yet, we as the most intelligent species on the planet have no problem slaughtering 1,000s of innocent men, women and children every year. Political gain and financial security will always rule the world sadly. There are always those who want power or to just do their own thing. Japan have exercised what it believes to be its right for centuries. They will never end whaling in my eyes. Even if they were to agree to is, whaling would still take place.

NaFirinne wrote: »

Trump style levy's should be placed on all Japanese goods world wide until they stop.

Nonsense, Trump is the very reason parts of the world are more unstable now then they were under Obama. Trump lives in his own world and thinks that by pushing countries around means they will eventually roll over and submit. America are playing a very dangerous game at the moment.

ZiabR

Suckit wrote: »

Just to point out.. The 227 is for 5 ships for 6 months.

During the moratorium/ban they have been killing up to 1200 per year.
So it would be fair to assume the figures that they have been killing in their seas will (at least) likely double.
Obviously the 'for science' was a cover to kill them as food, as after 31 years a massive portion of the population would have no idea what Whale tastes like.

Incidentally, they reason that Japan have lifted the ban, is because they left the IWC who wouldn't lift the moratorium for them. But you have to ask why would they, when Japan weren't really ever properly abiding to it in the first place.

Where they can Whale:

Fair points, but my argument still stands. As I mentioned, nothing has changed and nothing will change when it comes to Japan and whaling. It is just back in the lime light now that they have officially said they will resume whaling.

Tacitus Kilgore

bessboroughboy wrote: »

Can't do everything.

Total isolation isn't practical.

Didn't say it had ceased.

No worries, I don't disagree with your outrage, I am just a hoor for being contrary, I am too well up on the futility of certain endeavours, and would implore you to point your enthusiasm for change towards something closer to home, perhaps local - where you can make a real difference that you can see and feel yourself.

bessboroughboy

ZiabR wrote: »

What you don't seem to realise is that Japan have been doing this non stop for the past 30 years anyway. They just called it scientific research. The difference now is that they are no longer hiding behind the scientific tag any more and are admitting to whaling for commercial and food purposes.

Well aware of all that, but now seems a pertinent time to bring peoples' attention to it as it may be perceived as a "current issue" by many.

bessboroughboy

Link to Sea Shepherd:

https://www.seashepherd.org.uk/

bessboroughboy

For anyone who still thinks that popular opinion is irrelevant, consider the recent withdrawal of sponsorship from Greyhound racing.

For anyone who thinks along the lines of "ah, sure it's always been like that", I'll just reference the Dark Ages - not so many witches getting persecuted these days!