Starting a new job - questions about p45 and revenue online.

JackieChang

So I left my previous job in early 2018. Got a P45.

Now I've started a new job in June 2019.

Question 1:

New job is asking me for my P45. I thought this is not needed if it's a different tax year? I can't find my P45 anyway. I think I sent it all off for an income tax refund last year.

If the P45 is not needed, what info do I send them?

Question 2:

On the myAccount revenue online service, there's a section where I set up a new job. Do I need to complete this now? Or will this be automatically completed once my employer sets me up on their system.

November Golf

JackieChang wrote: »

So I left my previous job in early 2018. Got a P45.

Now I've started a new job in June 2019.

Question 1:

New job is asking me for my P45. I thought this is not needed if it's a different tax year? I can't find my P45 anyway. I think I sent it all off for an income tax refund last year.

If the P45 is not needed, what info do I send them?

Question 2:

On the myAccount revenue online service, there's a section where I set up a new job. Do I need to complete this now? Or will this be automatically completed once my employer sets me up on their system.

1.) No your P45 is not required in a new tax year, & from the 1st of January 2019 it no longer exists.

2.) Yes, you need to get your employers PAYE number & set up your new employment on MyAccount. Once that is set up tell the payroll staff as they will need to update their systems (they normally do this weekly/monthly anyways so this isn't a major issue) to get your tax credits. You may need to wait until the next payroll cycle so you could be emergency tax in the meantime, make sure payroll have your PPS number.

JackieChang

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

1.) No your P45 is not required in a new tax year, & from the 1st of January 2019 it no longer exists.

2.) Yes, you need to get your employers PAYE number & set up your new employment on MyAccount. Once that is set up tell the payroll staff as they will need to update their systems (they normally do this weekly/monthly anyways so this isn't a major issue) to get your tax credits. You may need to wait until the next payroll cycle so you could be emergency tax in the meantime, make sure payroll have your PPS number.

So I just tell her it's grand I'll sort it out with myaccount? What do they need to update once I register the job on myaccount?

Yes of course they should know all this but I don't think they do. (It's a startup.. bit messy)

November Golf

JackieChang wrote: »

So I just tell her it's grand I'll sort it out with myaccount? What do they need to update once I register the job on myaccount?

Yes of course they should know all this but I don't think they do. (It's a startup.. bit messy)

Do it first, then tell her its done.

They will need to update their payroll system (assuming they use software)... The tax credit certs usually come in a batch file (for all employees), they download via ROS & the payroll software cross-checks the file for changes in tax details of all employees.

It would be routine procedure for the payroll administrator to update this before each payroll cycle (weekly/monthly), although they may sometimes forget, so the main thing is just to let them know its done so they will expect a change in your tax credits details via their ROS account.

dartboardio

If your previous job was before the current tax year ie 2019 you will need to find a copy of your p45.

Revenue dont issue p45s from 2019, but you are still required to provide a copy of a p45 if your employment ceased before 2019 (if needed)

So p45s do still exist however there are no p45s being physically issued from 2019 onwards.

And from my experience depending on the company, they will sort out all that employer registration etc for you, or they will tell you to log on to my revenue and input the employer register number etc

GrumpyMe

From the horse's mouth!
https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/changing-jobs/when-you-start-a-new-job.aspx

When you start a new job, you must give your Personal Public Service Number (PPSN) to your new employer. Your new employer will notify us that you have started working with them, we will:

• issue you with a Tax Credit Certificate
• provide your employer with a Revenue Payroll Notification (RPN).

Your employer can then make the correct deductions from your salary.

If you do not give your new employer your PPSN, you may pay too much tax. Your employer will be required to deduct emergency tax from your pay.

The new job might be your first job in Ireland. If it is, you must sign in to myAccount to register your new job using the Jobs and Pensions service.

A P45 issued in the current tax year can be relevant but is neither necessary nor obligatory.

dartboardio

dartboardio wrote: »

If your previous job was before the current tax year ie 2019 you will need to find a copy of your p45.

Revenue dont issue p45s from 2019, but you are still required to provide a copy of a p45 if your employment ceased before 2019 (if needed)

You really don't. The only reason I can think a company may want to see a prior year P45 is to confirm the salary the OP said they were on.

There is no reason from a payroll processing point of view.

GrumpyMe

Deleted User wrote: »

You really don't. The only reason I can think a company may want to see a prior year P45 is to confirm the salary the OP said they were on.

There is no reason from a payroll processing point of view.

And no entitlement to it from any point of view!

November Golf

dartboardio wrote: »

Revenue dont issue p45s from 2019, but you are still required to provide a copy of a p45 if your employment ceased before 2019 (if needed)

Revenue never issued P45's... it was an employer issued document to prove tax deduction made up to the point of departure as this would affect tax liability and credits for the remainder of the year...

The P45 wasn't required after the 1st of january following departure, it has no bearing on the following years taxes from the employer point of view.

And from January 2019, the P45's no longer exists as all employer engage in Real Time Reporting and get the most up to date tax information from Revenue.

GrumpyMe

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Revenue never issued P45's...

Well...
You could submit the P45 details on ROS and by return Revenue "produced" a printable P45 suitable for printing on their 3 section A4 blanks.

GrumpyMe

GrumpyMe wrote: »

And no entitlement to it from any point of view!

No, in the same way there's no entitlement to a job other than statutory protections.

November Golf

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Revenue never issued P45's...

Well...
You could submit the P45 details on ROS and by return Revenue "produced" a printable P45 suitable for printing on their 3 section A4 blanks.

It still wasn't issued by revenue though, they didn't verify the details until end of year and if you asked them for a copy directly they would send you back to your former employer.

I think this is getting a little off track here... Under PAYE modernisation the P45 was abolished from 1st January. Any P45 issued on or before 30 Dec 2018 wouldnt affect current year taxes.

GrumpyMe

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

It still wasn't issued by revenue though, they didn't verify the details until end of year and if you asked them for a copy directly they would send you back to your former employer.

I think this is getting a little off track here... Under PAYE modernisation the P45 was abolished from 1st January. Any P45 issued on or before 30 Dec 2018 wouldnt affect current year taxes.

I don't get what you mean by the bold text.


It is the employer that submits the (hopefully already verified) details via ROS. It is the employer that then receives the printable P45 via ROS. They print and give to the previously employed individual.

November Golf

GrumpyMe wrote: »

I don't get what you mean by the bold text.


It is the employer that submits the (hopefully already verified) details via ROS. It is the employer that then receives the printable P45 via ROS. They print and give to the previously employed individual.

Revenue didn't issue P45's to the employee, the employer submits, generates, prints and gives to the employee as prove of tax deducted by them (the employer).

P45's and P60's were employer issued documents... It was the P35L submitted by employers at years end that revenue used to verify how much an employee paid in tax during the year.

In contrast, the P21 was revenue issued on request directly to the employee stating a tax underpaid, overpaid or balance if in order. For that same reason, the P21's are also available to download on Revenue MyAccount service.

However again a little off track.

The issue the OP had was about giving a P45 from last year to a new employer this year. As he lost the P45, first off he would need to obtain a copy from his previous employer however the new employer does not need it as it has no bearing on this year taxes anyways - but more specifically this year because revenue are using a totally different system.

GrumpyMe

GrumpyMe wrote: »

I don't get what you mean by the bold text.


It is the employer that submits the (hopefully already verified) details via ROS. It is the employer that then receives the printable P45 via ROS. They print and give to the previously employed individual.

Really not sure what point you're trying to make, but to be pedantic you should write the above in the past tense.

GrumpyMe

Deleted User wrote: »

Really not sure what point you're trying to make, but to be pedantic you should write the above in the past tense.

Well to be pedantic - I typed it a while ago so by now it is in the past!

GrumpyMe

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Well to be pedantic - I typed it a while ago so by now it is in the past!

Well done, I'm all out of stickers, but you might wish to spend time away from the forum and look up the meaning of 'the past tense'.

GrumpyMe

Deleted User wrote: »

Well done, I'm all out of stickers, but you might wish to spend time away from the forum and look up the meaning of 'the past tense'.

Depending on the direction of travel, 'past tense' could be "frozen with fear" or "beginning to chill".

GrumpyMe

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Depending on the direction of travel, 'past tense' could be "frozen with fear" or "beginning to chill".

Ah, but you're leaving out the first word in the phrase, 'the' - the definitive article I would have thought made it quite clear, evidently not for some.

GrumpyMe

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah, but you're leaving out the first word in the phrase, 'the' - the definitive article I would have thought made it quite clear, evidently not for some.

Yes but you have left out a few important words too...
"questions about p45 and revenue online.":D

GrumpyMe

GrumpyMe wrote: »

"questions about p45 and revenue online.":D

The OP was disabused about their understanding only a small number of posts into the thread.

GrumpyMe

Deleted User wrote: »

The OP was disabused about their understanding only a small number of posts into the thread.

I know - I contributed the Revenue's official read on the OP's queries at https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110582692&postcount=6


So why did you post in this thread and why are you still posting in this thread?

GrumpyMe

GrumpyMe wrote: »

So why did you post in this thread and why are you still posting in this thread?

I live to correct you. It's therapeutic.

November Golf

GrumpyMe wrote: »

I know - I contributed the Revenue's official read on the OP's queries at https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110582692&postcount=6

To be fair you did :-

GrumpyMe wrote: »

From the horse's mouth!
https://www.revenue.ie/en/jobs-and-pensions/changing-jobs/when-you-start-a-new-job.aspx

When you start a new job, you must give your Personal Public Service Number (PPSN) to your new employer. Your new employer will notify us that you have started working with them, we will:

• issue you with a Tax Credit Certificate
• provide your employer with a Revenue Payroll Notification (RPN).

Your employer can then make the correct deductions from your salary.

If you do not give your new employer your PPSN, you may pay too much tax. Your employer will be required to deduct emergency tax from your pay.

The new job might be your first job in Ireland. If it is, you must sign in to myAccount to register your new job using the Jobs and Pensions service.

A P45 issued in the current tax year can be relevant but is neither necessary nor obligatory.

Except the last part (in bold), I'm not sure why you added to the official revenue text by saying "A P45 issued in the current tax year"

- P45's are no longer issued from the 1 of January 2019 so your just confusing the situation unnecessarily.

Nody

Mod:
OP has been answered and to avoid the bickering turning into cards down the line I'm locking the thread.