Top Gear - Electric episode

Patser

New series of Top Gear on now, 2nd episode and they're focusing on EVs.....

15 minutes in and they've had a small race, and run out of charge so straight to whingeing about range and charge times.

Patser

They're currently ( current gettit since its electricity) electrucuting each other while driving.

Mind you they'll be reviewing Tesla 3 later

biko

I don't watch the new show but I'm sure their handlers would have advised them of the range for the cars before they started racing.

It's no surprise petrol heads complain about charge times, that's just natural considering they compare to a fueling time of a minute or so for petrol/diesel.

Patser

The 'race' was a single lap in an old power plant then a 30 mile drive to next point - cars were a pimped Leaf and 2 home made yokes. It wasn't a serious race.

So range wasn't an issue, just an early joke to make.

NIMAN

Haven't seen TG in years, it stopped being a serious car show many years ago.

It's just entertainment now, with the odd car involved.

krissovo

To be fair they gave the Model 3 a fair crack instead of the usual focus on negatives and it did well against some dream cars. They also said at the end that the leaf was 10 or 11 plate with 35 miles left on the battery.

ltd440

They gave the model 3 a fair review but I'd say they had to search for a leaf with such poor range, BTW did anybody else think Flintoff deliberately stuck the head into Harris ( I could understand why)

shamrock55

I can't handle paddy mcguiness, he's incredibly annoying

Dante7

Apart from the Tesla review, that show had nothing to do with EV cars.

unkel

Hadn't seen TG in years, but I got my cousin in London to tape tonight's episode and courier the tape out to me

I got what I asked for. A few months ago when TG did the feature where one of their contributors (a guy with some driving skills, but nothing special) drove a Tesla Model 3 and a BMW M3 (Tesla won) on a track, I stated here that it would have been better if they had picked someone with excellent driving skills, who would make the most of both cars. I mentioned Chris Harris.

I remember Musk saying the Model 3 would beat any competitor on a track. Not many people believed him. The Tesla shorts ridiculed him. Well, he just got vindicated. The Model 3 did just that. Not by much. But the point was there. Harris was suitably impressed.

Gekko

The show has dumbed down more with Paddy and Fred, both of whom seem to know little enough about cars

Paddy is just about bearable, but at times I don’t know how one of them doesn’t whack Fred over the head

I’ll probably still watch it but sometimes it’s more annoying than entertaining tbh

krissovo

The Tesla model 3 performance is looking great value for money at €55k / €60k after incentives that takes on multiple €100k+ ICE cars and comes out mostly on top. I am so tempted to upgrade now to the performance but I know I will lose my licence in a year.

The Merc C63 must be with any decent options must be a €115/€120k car, The Alfa from looking at their site tonight is starting at €105k.

Mike9832

Where can you get a performance 3 for €52,000?

krissovo

Mike9832 wrote: »

Where can you get a performance 3 for €52,000?

Sorry, just edited from checking the configuration.

Mike9832

No need to apologise

Thought Tesla dropped prices for a second

unkel

This is it. Tens of thousands of euro cheaper than the competition just to buy it. After that it won't cost anything to run, even if you drive it like a lunatic 24/7. And depreciation will only be a fraction of the petrol competition.

Never mind the benefits to the environment.

I think the penny dropped even for the old skool petrol head Chris Harris. Like millions of other people who have realised in very recent times (the last year or so) that EVs is the only way forward.

jordan191

but lads remember if you buy the performance version through a company,
you will get roughly €5,500 off with vat reduction (20% of the vat is reclaimable) & €3,000 off in year 1 with Accelerated capital allowance,

so in theory €60,700 minus circa 5500 €55,000, that's stonking value

caster

unkel wrote: »

This is it. Tens of thousands of euro cheaper than the competition just to buy it. After that it won't cost anything to run, even if you drive it like a lunatic 24/7. And depreciation will only be a fraction of the petrol competition.

Are there any indications yet of potential depreciation yet? Or do you mean that the likes of the BMW M3 have high depreciation?

(Trying to talk myself out of going for the performance )

Mike9832

jordan191 wrote: »

but lads remember if you buy the performance version through a company,
you will get roughly €5,500 off with vat reduction (20% of the vat is reclaimable) & €3,000 off in year 1 with Accelerated capital allowance,

so in theory €60,700 minus circa 5500 €55,000, that's stonking value

Just insurance maybe an issue for non company drivers

Its surely in highest bracket like M3, RS4 etc

No idea what they cost to insure for your average 30-35 year old guy?

caster

jordan191 wrote: »

but lads remember if you buy the performance version through a company,
you will get roughly €5,500 off with vat reduction (20% of the vat is reclaimable) & €3,000 off in year 1 with Accelerated capital allowance,

so in theory €60,700 minus circa 5500 €55,000, that's stonking value

I believe though that ACA really only a tax deferral i.e. you will owe a portion of it back when you sell on the car.

The BIK really kicks in on the Performance (vs the SR Plus) - so i think financially its debatable if youre saving that much via a company...

The big thing for me is alllowing the company to take the hit on the depreciation.

OldMrBrennan83

unkel wrote: »

This is it. Tens of thousands of euro cheaper than the competition just to buy it. After that it won't cost anything to run, even if you drive it like a lunatic 24/7. And depreciation will only be a fraction of the petrol competition.

Never mind the benefits to the environment.

I think the penny dropped even for the old skool petrol head Chris Harris. Like millions of other people who have realised in very recent times (the last year or so) that EVs is the only way forward.

Won't cost anything to run?

unkel

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

Won't cost anything to run?

So little, it might as well be free. To drive a BMW M3 reasonably hard over 20k km, will cost you about €3,000 in petrol. Do the same with Tesla Model 3 and it will cost you €300 in electricity

There's pretty much no maintenance either, but there will be tyres of course