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CAI supporting Pride 2019

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  • 20-06-2019 11:57pm
    #1
    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭


    I checked my account this morning and I saw that the CAI logo had changed to Support Pride 2019!?I don't subscribe to political memberships. Does anyone have a view on this?


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    #2
    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Karachi wrote: »
    I checked my account this morning and I saw that the CAI logo had changed to Support Pride 2019!?I don't subscribe to political memberships. Does anyone have a view on this?

    It's not a political membership, it is a statement of human rights and I full support it. Too bad you don't can see the difference.


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    It's not a political membership, it is a statement of human rights and I full support it. Too bad you don't can see the difference.

    Hi Jim. Pride has on its website that it actively seeks to change Irish law and Irish constitution. Not political! Beg to differ.


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    Jim2007
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,109 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Karachi wrote: »
    Hi Jim. Pride has on its website that it actively seeks to change Irish law and Irish constitution. Not political! Beg to differ.

    BS. Nobody is preventing you from living your life the way you want. Show a bit of respect for others. If your homophonic or whatever get over it.


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    BS. Nobody is preventing you from living your life the way you want. Show a bit of respect for others. If your homophonic or whatever get over it.

    Jim, this is a discussion about whether CAI should publically support political organizations. Is it within their remit to do so etc.. Please do not turn it into a personal bashing for your own preferences. Professional decorum please


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    Humour Me
    Registered Users Posts: 360 ✭✭Humour Me


    CAI represent their members, many of whom identify as LGBT+. Promoting Pride is a way to support their members.

    I also know that many of the firms are organizing events this month, including supporting their staff marching in the Dublin pride parade. Supporting your friends and colleagues is not about politics, it’s equality.


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Humour Me wrote: »
    CAI represent their members, many of whom identify as LGBT+. Promoting Pride is a way to support their members.

    I also know that many of the firms are organizing events this month, including supporting their staff marching in the Dublin pride parade. Supporting your friends and colleagues is not about politics, it’s equality.

    A political organization is any organization that involves itself in the political process. Pride is a political organization as its aims are to change Irish legislation. Should CAI be prominently supporting any political group. That is the question. I personally think not.


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    Humour Me
    Registered Users Posts: 360 ✭✭Humour Me


    Nothing in the bye laws against it.

    https://www.charteredaccountants.ie/about-us/what-we-do/Diversity-and-inclusion-statement


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Humour Me wrote: »
    Nothing in the bye laws against it.

    https://www.charteredaccountants.ie/about-us/what-we-do/Diversity-and-inclusion-statement

    Thank you for your comment. There are strict rules governing charters and ethical considerations concerning the profession and the public interest. I don't think supporting, promulgating, re branding and realligning with any political organization serves either.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Karachi wrote: »
    Jim, this is a discussion about whether CAI should publically support political organizations. Is it within their remit to do so etc.. Please do not turn it into a personal bashing for your own preferences. Professional decorum please

    What's the name of prides political party?

    Greenpeace, save the children, Rape crisis center etc would also seek to "change Irish law and Irish constitution" (for the betterment of others). would you have an issue if it was thier logo on the site?


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What's the name of prides political party?

    Greenpeace, save the children, Rape crisis center etc would also seek to "change Irish law and Irish constitution" (for the betterment of others). would you have an issue if it was thier logo on the site?

    Thank you for your comment. I am not aware if Pride support any one political party as I am not a member. My point is that Pride have political motivations and are politically active. Should a professional body that serves professional accountants which serve the public interest be seen to actively engage (including rebranding of professional logo) with one political organisation's motives. I think any third party looking at it would say no.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Karachi wrote: »
    Thank you for your comment. I am not aware if Pride support any one political party as I am not a member. My point is that Pride have political motivations and are politically active.

    So are the other groups i mentioned above, would you have an issue with pieta house, McMillan trust, or save the childrens logo being there or isnit just pride you have an issue with?
    Should a professional body that serves professional accountants which serve the public interest be seen to actively engage (including rebranding of professional logo) with one political organisation's motives. I think any third party looking at it would say no.

    What political organisation? Pride is not one homogenous group, they don't run candidates in elections they don't ask for votes, they do lobby political for better rights for LGBT people but i don't see that as an issue.


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So are the other groups i mentioned above, would you have an issue with pieta house, McMillan trust, or save the childrens logo being there or isnit just pride you have an issue with?



    What political organisation? Pride is not one homogenous group, they don't run candidates in elections they don't ask for votes, they do lobby political for better rights for LGBT people but i don't see that as an issue.

    Thank you for your comment. The issue here is with any political organization. Let us not confuse charitable organizations with political ones


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Karachi wrote: »
    Thank you for your comment. The issue here is with any political organization. Let us not confuse charitable organizations with political ones

    Ok, you keep using this term, please provide evidence that pride is "political organisation".


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    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Didn’t take long for the OP to be accused of homophobia.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Didn’t take long for the OP to be accused of homophobia.

    Where has this been said?


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    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Ok, you keep using this term, please provide evidence that pride is "political organisation".

    Pride is a political org as it engages in lobbying, community organizing, campaign advertising, demonstrations, marches, agitations all aimed for the benefit of its own members and goals.


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    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Where has this been said?

    4th post. Poster smart enough to not explicitly say it but intent was clear.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Karachi wrote: »
    Pride is a political org as it engages in lobbying, community organizing, campaign advertising, demonstrations, marches, agitations all aimed for the benefit of its own members and goals.

    As does the rape crisis center, would you have an issue with thier logo on the site? Do you think the rape crisis center is "a political organisation"?


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    4th post. Poster smart enough to not explicitly say it but intent was clear.

    A question, not an accusation as you claimed.


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    #21
    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    As does the rape crisis center, would you have an issue with thier logo on the site? Do you think the rape crisis center is "a political organisation"?

    Rape Crisis Center is a a registered charity.


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    Sonny noggs
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    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    A question, not an accusation as you claimed.

    As I said he phrased it that way intentionally


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    Pawwed Rig
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    You could argue that CAI is a political organisation given that they have lobbied government over tax legislation.
    Personally I have no problem with them supporting pride however the scramble for corporates to be associated with the events is a bit unsightly for me.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
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    Karachi wrote: »
    Rape Crisis Center is a a registered charity.

    And pride is not one homogenous group it is an amalgamation of several groupings that you have decided to lump in as one and declare them to be a "political organisation".


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    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    OP, just ignore it, not a battle you can win. It has come up a few times at work this week, I have no interest, but I know that if I or anyone queried or even said anything neutral then it would be unofficially noted by the HR staff and no good would come of that.


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    #26
    Karachi
    Registered Users Posts: 13 ✭Karachi


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    OP, just ignore it, not a battle you can win. It has come up a few times at work this week, I have no interest, but I know that if I or anyone queried or even said anything neutral then it would be unofficially noted by the HR staff and no good would come of that.

    You may be right Sonny. I can't believe some of the responses posted with such agitation and aggression. However, I will not be silenced. A professional body representing accountants and the public interest should not be affiliating itself with any political organization.


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    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Karachi wrote: »
    You may be right Sonny. I can't believe some of the responses posted with such agitation and aggression. However, I will not be silenced. A professional body representing accountants and the public interest should not be affiliating itself with any political organization.

    Fair enough, just know what to expect. Good luck.


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    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,468 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Karachi wrote: »
    You may be right Sonny. I can't believe some of the responses posted with such agitation and aggression. However, I will not be silenced. A professional body representing accountants and the public interest should not be affiliating itself with any political organization.

    And again the use of the wrong terminology really doesn't help your "arguement ":rolleyes:


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    biddyboo
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