High spec imports with ridiculous mileage

TheDriver

Good few garages popping up with UK imports, beautiful machines with high spec at decent price except for 2 things
A) mileage is in miles and always high. E. G. 2014 with 150k miles, not km
B)it's just high for the age.

Do they hope people won't notice its in miles?

gctest50

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

dar_cool

They are getting them cheap out of the auctions. In fairness they are usually well serviced as most are fleet cars but I wouldn't be buying one. If I was I'd be cutting out the middle man

Atlantic Dawn

Lots of Irish buyers won't bankroll a €15 history check, while this prevails many suckers will be raped out of money.

dar_cool

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

Ban used car imports. Are you for real. Cuba done that for years....

Atlantic Dawn

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

We would have to leave the EU for that level of power.

Oops!

TheDriver wrote: »

Good few garages popping up with UK imports, beautiful machines with high spec at decent price except for 2 things
A) mileage is in miles and always high. E. G. 2014 with 150k miles, not km
B)it's just high for the age.

Do they hope people won't notice its in miles?

Gone are the days thankfully of when the first thing that was done to them when they got off the boat they were clocked... People have copped on. Also people here are now looking for service historys.... The brits can keep their scrap, the paddy's have eventually copped on.

Nobelium

TheDriver wrote: »

Good few garages popping up with UK imports, beautiful machines with high spec at decent price except for 2 things
A) mileage is in miles and always high. E. G. 2014 with 150k miles, not km
B)it's just high for the age.

Do they hope people won't notice its in miles?

would you prefer they clocked them ?

most come with traceable fsh, and uk motorway miles are a hole different ball game to irish miles. In general cars are far better looked after in the uk, and have far better spec than those in ireland. I've owned a lot of uk import motors, and i've always had more issues with Irish used cars than uk ones.

Atlantic Dawn

The UK stuff is far easier to history check, in Ireland we have no official write off database.

bazz26

What's the complain here again?

gctest50

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We would have to leave the EU for that level of power.

Ireland has VRT, didn't leave over that

Eric Cartman

TheDriver wrote: »

Good few garages popping up with UK imports, beautiful machines with high spec at decent price except for 2 things
A) mileage is in miles and always high. E. G. 2014 with 150k miles, not km
B)it's just high for the age.

Do they hope people won't notice its in miles?

A lot of ex company car executive saloons that might have ‘high miles’ but often diesels with a lot of miles left in them, impeccable service records and the drivers seat, steering wheel and gear shifter are the only signs of wear on them.

Many a 5 series or e class woth 150,000 miles that would look brand new with 1-1.5k put into them but can be bought at 1/3 the price they are here

robtri

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

why ban imports?? thats most backward thinking i have heard in a while.. the cars are being advertised fairly, MPH is used cause that is what the cars shows in from the UK.. you cant blame the importer if the buyer does not know the difference between miles and km.

people buy imports generaly because they can't afford new cars...

kirving

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

1. There will always be dodgy dealers, they'll just be selling Irish cars instead.

2. Some imports are dodgy, but my UK car came by default with an AA check as a matter of course.

3. If someone has X amount of money to spend on a car, they could buy a low quality new car, or a high quality older car. Banning imports doesn't somehow allow me to afford a more expensive car.

4. I bought a car that is significantly safer, more economical and more comfortable than the majority of new cars which cost 50% more. The caveat? Mine has highish miles, but I'm happy to accept that trade off.

VRT incentives already exist to encourage people to bring in EVs, PHEV's and Hybrids.

OldMrBrennan83

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

Don't we get **** versions here and need to import for some spec?

Isambard

150 k on a 5 year old car is not particularly high. It's 30000 a year...less than 600 a week. 100 a day or so. Lots of commuters would do that

biko

Paddy loves buying English old fleet cars.

Guy:Incognito

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We would have to leave the EU for that level of power.

Maybe we could just get the country the cars are coming from to leave.

colm_mcm

biko wrote: »

Paddy loves buying English old fleet cars.

Racist

tashiusclay

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

Aye that'll make things very un-iffy alright

pippip

TheDriver wrote: »

Good few garages popping up with UK imports, beautiful machines with high spec at decent price except for 2 things
A) mileage is in miles and always high. E. G. 2014 with 150k miles, not km
B)it's just high for the age.

Do they hope people won't notice its in miles?

I think you'll find they're up front that UK imports is their business. Who says their hiding this and hoping people won't notice the speedo?

rob316

Don't understand the purpose of the thread. High spec cars with high mileage advertised as is at a good price.

Anyone who isn't a complete idiot isn't going to mistake miles for km.

st1979

Lot of haters here about UK imports. The op is giving out that these UK cars have big miles then someone saying that Irish people won't invest in a car history check. Surely a load of low mileage cars would be more suspicious. I have bought many a used BMW from UK for myself and never had an issue. All ex lease. All serviced by main dealer with history and my car check done which confirmed.
This week I have been driving my friends BMW 530d with 350,000km which he just bought in Germany (he lives there) the car drives like new. Loads of receipts for work done all by main dealer at ridiculous cost.
Compare this to my wife who is reluctant to pay for an oil change. But smaller mileage car. Which would you prefer to buy.

millington

Obviously the demand is there and thats why the dealers are importing such cars. Anyone who buys high mileage stuff knows what their getting into, nobody is getting duped out of anything. I'm sure they've already looked at the low mileage alternatives and decided against the extra expenditure.

millington

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

That would do the opposite. People are buying used cars because they can't afford new ones. This plan would leave people stuck with no alternative but to keep what they have and effectively increase the age of the national fleet.

Getting rid of "iffy imported used cars" just leaves you with even iffier Irish used cars aswell.

Bass Reeves

gctest50 wrote: »

The government needs to do 2 things :

Ban the importation of used cars

Drop the vrt

That should :

get rid of a lot of iffy car-sales setups

get rid of a lot of iffy imported used cars

improve sales of new cars

have more newer, safer cars on the roads after a while

VRT is paid both on new cars and imports so dropping VRT will not impact on imports as a lower rate will apply. The Government will not do that as the tax lost has to be recouped elsewhere. As well reduced VRT will mean we buy more new cars and raise our carbon footprint.

Car dealers in Ireland have only themselves to blame. The markup on new cars is crazy as well when you consider that an 6-7 year old car is only at half it working life and dealers will not retail cars older than that. This had collapsed the price of cars above this age. A lot if cars 7 years and older are cheaper in Ireland than the UK and there is a massive price difference between 6 and 8/9 year old cars.

Car dealers have only themselves to blame. A 2015 RAV is retailing at 22-24k in main dealers a 2010 RAV (low milage 150-200km) can be bought for my 8k from trade resellers.

colm_mcm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

VRT is paid both on new cars and imports so dropping VRT will not impact on imports as a lower rate will apply. The Government will not do that as the tax lost has to be recouped elsewhere. As well reduced VRT will mean we buy more new cars and raise our carbon footprint.

Car dealers in Ireland have only themselves to blame. The markup on new cars is crazy as well when you consider that an 6-7 year old car is only at half it working life and dealers will not retail cars older than that. This had collapsed the price of cars above this age. A lot if cars 7 years and older are cheaper in Ireland than the UK and there is a massive price difference between 6 and 8/9 year old cars.

Car dealers have only themselves to blame. A 2015 RAV is retailing at 22-24k in main dealers a 2010 RAV (low milage 150-200km) can be bought for my 8k from trade resellers.

How much margin do you think a main dealer keeps on a new car, and how much do you think they should have?

Bass Reeves

colm_mcm wrote: »

How much margin do you think a main dealer keeps on a new car, and how much do you think they should have?

TBH I do not know but car dealers main problem is that in their strategy of not retailing cars beyond 6-8 years of age collapses the car prices at this stage. While it may not be as noticeable in smaller cars in the mud sized and larger mainstream cars it is causing a price gap that is deterring car buyers from buying in this section of the market.
If you look in some forecourts there is a build up of cars in the 3-6 year old bracket and in the 10 years old plus bracket. For a while car dealerships were able to keep a floor under trade sales but no longer as some of the smaller garage's that are dealing in trade cars got caught with stock.

There are other issues such as the minimum trade in value on PCP's is coming back to haunt some dealership's. Over the last few years I have being helping my kids to buy there first and second cars and I changed the better Half's car as well as picking up a car for myself. Buying cars in the 5-8 year old bracket is economic suiscide and when you factor in interest of 7% going down into the 8+year of age bracket makes economic sense

colm_mcm

Irish Buyers and their demand plus the uk market price dictate pricing rather than Irish dealers.
Main dealers don’t retail older cars because they are at the premium end of the market, and the market isn’t there any more for a 7/8 year old car that’s a few grand more than a private sale. The simple economics are that a main dealer has huge operating costs, and have to provide a top level warranty, all of which cost money. They are also often bound by the distributor in what they can sell on the forecourt.

Nobelium

biko wrote: »

Paddy loves buying English old fleet cars.

much better than most Paddy cars

Charles Babbage

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

We would have to leave the EU for that level of power.

We could ban cars from outside EU, which will include UK in a few months.

Ashleigh1986

I bought a eclass 2 years ago in the uk.
Car hasn't missed a beat .
I do 60,000 km a year with work .
The previous owner did the services at the require mileage using only a Mercedes dealer .
My next car will again be purchased in the uk .
Service history is the key .
A lot of Irish drivers don't beleive in spending money on the correct oil for their cars .
The amount of drivers I see purchasing oil from petrol stations to put in their expensive cars is crazy .
Glorified lawnmower oil and they're putting into cars worth €100000 plus .

corks finest

st1979 wrote: »

Lot of haters here about UK imports. The op is giving out that these UK cars have big miles then someone saying that Irish people won't invest in a car history check. Surely a load of low mileage cars would be more suspicious. I have bought many a used BMW from UK for myself and never had an issue. All ex lease. All serviced by main dealer with history and my car check done which confirmed.
This week I have been driving my friends BMW 530d with 350,000km which he just bought in Germany (he lives there) the car drives like new. Loads of receipts for work done all by main dealer at ridiculous cost.
Compare this to my wife who is reluctant to pay for an oil change. But smaller mileage car. Which would you prefer to buy.

Personally I've owned 3 Jap imports ,low mileage, spotless, high spec and would recommend them to anyone looking for a low mileage great specced motor-+ have no issues ref importing from the UK either ,do your homework problems solved

Bass Reeves

colm_mcm wrote: »

Irish Buyers and their demand plus the uk market price dictate pricing rather than Irish dealers.
Main dealers don’t retail older cars because they are at the premium end of the market, and the market isn’t there any more for a 7/8 year old car that’s a few grand more than a private sale. The simple economics are that a main dealer has huge operating costs, and have to provide a top level warranty, all of which cost money. They are also often bound by the distributor in what they can sell on the forecourt.

I would have to disagree. Dealers control the pricing on new cars to a certain extent. This moves on down the car chain. In the 7-9 year old market car dealers are not competing against private sales but against trade sales. It is they who created the trade sale market through laziness. They threw the buyers of 4-7 year old cars to the wolves. . I always bought a 3-5 years old and had it to 8-11 years old. What I have found is that the retail value of this age of car has gained in percentage terms compared to a new car and the older one has depreciated. This has created a depreciation level nearly similar to a new car.

This is why buyers are travelling in there droves to the UK to buy cars with a week sterling. But at the bottom of the market 9-10 years+ compared to NI prices Irish car are undervalued compared to these prices. PCP are creating part of these issues but branded dealers expecting buyers in the 4-7 year old market to take the hit is begining to bite

Needles73

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

I bought a eclass 2 years ago in the uk.
Car hasn't missed a beat .
I do 60,000 km a year with work .
The previous owner did the services at the require mileage using only a Mercedes dealer .
My next car will again be purchased in the uk .
Service history is the key .
A lot of Irish drivers don't beleive in spending money on the correct oil for their cars .
The amount of drivers I see purchasing oil from petrol stations to put in their expensive cars is crazy .
Glorified lawnmower oil and they're putting into cars worth €100000 plus .

You see people buying oil for an oil change in Petrol stations.....I have never ever seen that. Cheap oil is expensive oil at petrol station prices ?

glomar

Needles73 wrote: »

You see people buying oil for an oil change in Petrol stations.....I have never ever seen that. Cheap oil is expensive oil at petrol station prices ?

its called panicking .. engine light has come on !

Needles73

glomar wrote: »

its called panicking .. engine light has come on !

I was referring to purchasing for an “oil change”. Poster I was replying too implied people were buying cheap oil at petrol stations for cars worth €100000.....I’m saying they are not, and I’ve never seen it.

Bass Reeves

Needles73 wrote: »

I was referring to purchasing for an “oil change”. Poster I was replying too implied people were buying cheap oil at petrol stations for cars worth €100000.....I’m saying they are not, and I’ve never seen it.

There is no cheap oil at Petrol stations. It is always very expensive compared to buying it at a motor factor's. The biggest issue with buying oil at a petrol station is not the quality of the oil but the grade of oil you require. People that generally buy oil in a petrol station would not have a clue how to change there own oil. The biggest issue changing oil in a car now is the service lenght. Newer cars have gone from 20K to 30K kilometers. At 20K kilometers it is ioo long anyway We have started to change the oil in out cars that were 20K at about 15K intervals and I reduce 30K back to 20K intervals.

Needles73

Bass Reeves wrote: »

There is no cheap oil at Petrol stations. It is always very expensive compared to buying it at a motor factor's. The biggest issue with buying oil at a petrol station is not the quality of the oil but the grade of oil you require. People that generally buy oil in a petrol station would not have a clue how to change there own oil. The biggest issue changing oil in a car now is the service lenght. Newer cars have gone from 20K to 30K kilometers. At 20K kilometers it is ioo long anyway We have started to change the oil in out cars that were 20K at about 15K intervals and I reduce 30K back to 20K intervals.

I agree completely, I was replying to Ashleigh 1986 post re cheap oil at petrol stations,