Reporting excessively smokey vehicles

davidjtaylor

Hi

I was (briefly) behind a truck today that was belching out black smoke.

Does anyone know how to report this (I have the reg. of the truck)?

McCrack

Snitches get stitches

davidjtaylor

Thanks for your help, McCrack.

Seve OB

McCrack has a crack in his trucks exhaust pipe

_Brian

If it’s within its crvt test I can’t see who you would report it to ??

neris

_Brian wrote: »

If it’s within its crvt test I can’t see who you would report it to ??

If its a commercial report it or the company to the RSA, they can do a call out to inspect the paperwork and records of the company

mgbgt1978

Do you take note of the Reg's of speeding cars, anything parked illegally, drivers on the phone, etc ? There's a whole heap of stuff going on out there that the guards don't (or won't) spot.

Seriously though, there's no point in you complaining to anybody. Most of them won't do anything about it, and those that might will probably just send a letter to the Company/driver letting them know that there has been a complaint

mcbert

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Do you take note of the Reg's of speeding cars, anything parked illegally, drivers on the phone, etc ? There's a whole heap of stuff going on out there that the guards don't (or won't) spot.

Seriously though, there's no point in you complaining to anybody. Most of them won't do anything about it, and those that might will probably just send a letter to the Company/driver letting them know that there has been a complaint

Perhaps true, but still a very defeatist attitude. This is a worthy complaint to make, if there's only a small chance it'll make any difference.

HappyAsLarE

Jesus OP leave it go. Any diesel will spit out smoke if she hasn’t been driven on for a bit.

beauf

davidjtaylor wrote: »

Hi

I was (briefly) behind a truck today that was belching out black smoke.

Does anyone know how to report this (I have the reg. of the truck)?

Time for a dash cam. Until it's had 30k views on YouTube the Cops won't be interested...

antodeco

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

Do you take note of the Reg's of speeding cars, anything parked illegally, drivers on the phone, etc ? There's a whole heap of stuff going on out there that the guards don't (or won't) spot.

Seriously though, there's no point in you complaining to anybody. Most of them won't do anything about it, and those that might will probably just send a letter to the Company/driver letting them know that there has been a complaint

Prime example today for me was sitting behind a car in town and everything it moved a big puff of blue smoke out the back. The issue I had was that this smoke was actually ending up in my car and I can small it very strongly. Behind that and breathing in that smoke for 10 minutes isint pleasant.

Del2005

antodeco wrote: »

Prime example today for me was sitting behind a car in town and everything it moved a big puff of blue smoke out the back. The issue I had was that this smoke was actually ending up in my car and I can small it very strongly. Behind that and breathing in that smoke for 10 minutes isint pleasant.

Turn your air to recirculation if you are behind a smoker or fields during slurry season. The visible stuff is not as bad as the invisible emissions from a vehicle.

Spook_ie

Del2005 wrote: »

Turn your air to recirculation if you are behind a smoker or fields during slurry season. The visible stuff is not as bad as the invisible emissions from a vehicle.

But surely you'd still have the invisible emissions as well, report it and help any asthmatics out. There is no excuse for smoke emissions except for a couldn't care less attitude.

Dexter2019

neris wrote: »

If its a commercial report it or the company to the RSA, they can do a call out to inspect the paperwork and records of the company

This,
The RSA have an enforcement team for this exact reason.
Report it anonymously to them.

Sam Quentin

Maybe that truck is all that man has and it helps him feed his family and pay his bills.... Maybe he can't afford to get it fixed, maybe he has enough to worry about with fuel, insurance,tax, regulations etc etc. Move on or invent a new engine that's cheap and runs on water and spew only niceness from it's exhaust. Yeah give the planet 20 million more years of life instead of the predicted 19.9 million years if we don't change our crazy human ways!?

Del2005

Spook_ie wrote: »

But surely you'd still have the invisible emissions as well, report it and help any asthmatics out. There is no excuse for smoke emissions except for a couldn't care less attitude.

Of course you have the invisible emissions. So do you report every vehicle on the road? Because the invisible is more dangerous and the filters can't stop them where as soot, which is the visible smoke, can be filtered by using recirculation.

Spook_ie

Del2005 wrote: »

Of course you have the invisible emissions. So do you report every vehicle on the road? Because the invisible is more dangerous and the filters can't stop them where as soot, which is the visible smoke, can be filtered by using recirculation.

But the recirculation or dpf or whatever isn't working though, is it? Hence the excessive smoke.

Spook_ie

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Maybe that truck is all that man has and it helps him feed his family and pay his bills.... Maybe he can't afford to get it fixed, maybe he has enough to worry about with fuel, insurance,tax, regulations etc etc. Move on or invent a new engine that's cheap and runs on water and spew only niceness from it's exhaust. Yeah give the planet 20 million more years of life instead of the predicted 19.9 million years if we don't change our crazy human ways!?

And if he can't afford to maintain it, then we should give him a free pass to smoggify everyone.

Mrcaramelchoc

I wish i could report tools throwing cigarettes out their windows.

bladespin

Mrcaramelchoc wrote:

I wish i could report tools throwing cigarettes out their windows.

You can (for all the good it will do); litter warden etc.

Though I wonder if dashcam footage might get some action.

Del2005

Spook_ie wrote: »

But the recirculation or dpf or whatever isn't working though, is it? Hence the excessive smoke.

Your recirculation in your vehicle. Not much you can do about the outside air but you can try to improve the interior air.

K.Flyer

If a commercial diesel engined vehicle is too smokey it will be a fail at its next annual road worthiness test (cvrt).
If the issue is not rectified no cert will be issued.
Driving a commercial vehicle without a current cvrt cert carries a 6 mandatory 5 points penalty and court fine.
In short, driver may be unaware of an issue, if there is one, but will get flagged at next test if emissions are outside of allowed levels.
You can report it if you want, but if there is a problem it will be brought to the owners attention soon enough.

Spook_ie

K.Flyer wrote: »

If a commercial diesel engined vehicle is too smokey it will be a fail at its next annual road worthiness test (cvrt).
If the issue is not rectified no cert will be issued.
Driving a commercial vehicle without a current cvrt cert carries a 6 points penalty.
In short, driver may be unaware of an issue, if there is one, but will get flagged at next test if emissions are outside of allowed levels.
You can report it if you want, but if there is a problem it will be brought to the owners attention soon enough.

And the number of vehicles ( it might not be a commercial ) that are in the Garda Twitter feed for no NCT or CVRT shows just how much people attach to that importance.

swarlb

Spook_ie wrote: »

But the recirculation or dpf or whatever isn't working though, is it? Hence the excessive smoke.

It doesn't matter... even if the systems are working, you are still breathing in
carcinogenic particles.
Just report every vehicle... (except bicycles and EV's)

BENDYBINN

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

I wish i could report tools throwing cigarettes out their windows.

There’s a tool for throwing cigs out your window......brilliant!

two wheels good

Del2005 wrote: »

Turn your air to recirculation if you are behind a smoker or fields during slurry season. The visible stuff is not as bad as the invisible emissions from a vehicle.

Not so. PM10 particulates are particularly(ha!) dangerous. And what about other road users who don't have the option of a protective bubble of recirculated air?

two wheels good

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Maybe that truck is all that man has and it helps him feed his family and pay his bills.... Maybe he can't afford to get it fixed, maybe he has enough to worry about with fuel, insurance,tax, regulations etc etc. Move on or invent a new engine that's cheap and runs on water and spew only niceness from it's exhaust. Yeah give the planet 20 million more years of life instead of the predicted 19.9 million years if we don't change our crazy human ways!?

Could this hypothetically impoverished driver also be entitled to break the law to feed his children by, say, shoplifting food?

Dravokivich

two wheels good wrote: »

Could this hypothetically impoverished driver also be entitled to break the law to feed his children by, say, shoplifting food?

Why not just keep it, instead of delivering to shop in the first place?

selectamatic

If the truck is in test there's nothing to report.

Next time put down you're window and listen to the glorious grunt of a mechanically injected turbocharged inline 6 or v8 diesel from the 90's it'd warm the heart of any man.

No smoke no poke hai...

Spook_ie

selectamatic wrote: »

If the lorry is in test there's nothing to report.

Next time put down you're window and listen to the glorious grunt of a mechanically injected turbocharged inline 6 or v8 diesel from the 90's it'd warm the heart of any man.

No smoke no poke hai...

A test certificate only shows that it was ok on the day of the test, if it goes faulty and isn't repaired then it's still an offence.

selectamatic

Spook_ie wrote: »

A test certificate only shows that it was ok on the day of the test, if it goes faulty and isn't repaired then it's still an offence.

That may apply to certain important features such as tyres, brakes and lights.

It ain't really applicable to a big rig clearing its lungs...

Spook_ie

selectamatic wrote: »

That may apply to certain important features such as tyres, brakes and lights.

It ain't really applicable to a big rig clearing its lungs...

http://www.cvrt.ie/en/About-CVRT/Documents/Testers%20Manuals/HCV_Testers_Manual_2018_Web_Version_Rev_1%201.pdf

Says otherwise, if it won't pass a CVRT test then it should be taken off the road and repaired.

selectamatic

Spook_ie wrote: »

http://www.cvrt.ie/en/About-CVRT/Documents/Testers%20Manuals/HCV_Testers_Manual_2018_Web_Version_Rev_1%201.pdf

Says otherwise, if it won't pass a CVRT test then it should be taken off the road and repaired.

Prove it won't pass though...
You can't just say oh that looks smokey.


A 90's truck with good load on will smoke as it gets up into boost.

While sitting idle in the test centre being reved in neutral it'll smoke very little.

jippo nolan

BENDYBINN wrote: »

There’s a tool for throwing cigs out your window......brilliant!

Must get one meself so!

Spook_ie

selectamatic wrote: »

Prove it won't pass though...
You can't just say oh that looks smokey.


A 90's truck with good load on will smoke as it gets up into boost.

While sitting idle in the test centre being reved in neutral it'll smoke very little.

If it looks smokey then report it and let them test/retest it then, it's not rocket science is it?

selectamatic

Spook_ie wrote: »

If it looks smokey then report it and let them test/retest it then, it's not rocket science is it?

If you report an in test vehicle for being smokey nobody is going to retest it.

If you can show me a historical example of this actually happening in Ireland then I might reconsider my stance but until then...

Gary Owen

I was in the railway station yesterday and saw a
train pulling out , Smokey as f*uck . Who do I report that to

davidjtaylor

Gary Owen wrote: »

I was in the railway station yesterday and saw a
train pulling out , Smokey as f*uck . Who do I report that to

I'd love to know, Gary Owen - it should be dealt with. We and our children take the brunt of it.