2 announcements on new NCD Greenway

Dazed909

Hi,

Fingal CC have announced that consultation is starting on a Greenway from Donabate to Balbriggan.

They have also announced that they are applying for planning for the Greenway from Portmarnock to Donabate which will go over broadmeadow estuary at the existing railway bridge.

2 press releases attached.

Will be interesting to see how these plans develop but on the face of it they look great.

Carawaystick

Why would Fingal CoCo issue a release about submitting an application, and not mention the application number so we could look it up?

Vico1612

Carawaystick wrote: »

Why would Fingal CoCo issue a release about submitting an application, and not mention the application number so we could look it up?

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/broadmeadow-way

plodder

That's probably not the application to Bord Pleanala. I guess it takes them a day or two to assign a case number, scan the documents etc. It will appear in the weekly list next week maybe. Fantastic that this is going ahead though.

Wishbone Ash

Carawaystick wrote: »

Why would Fingal CoCo issue a release about submitting an application, and not mention the application number so we could look it up?

Probably because they won't be making an application until 2021 according to the press release.

Duckjob

I'm really looking forward to this getting built and giving it beans across from Donabate to Malahide on my mobility scooter.

plodder

http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/304624.htm

probably much the same information as link above.

Hair Bear

plodder wrote: »

That's probably not the application to Bord Pleanala. I guess it takes them a day or two to assign a case number, scan the documents etc. It will appear in the weekly list next week maybe. Fantastic that this is going ahead though.

It is great to see that this development is being put forward but it will be post 2021 before a planning application will be made. Then it will have to be approved.
I do hope it progresses as it is intended to route this thro' to Balbriggan!

plodder

Hair Bear wrote: »

It is great to see that this development is being put forward but it will be post 2021 before a planning application will be made. Then it will have to be approved.
I do hope it progresses as it is intended to route this thro' to Balbriggan!

They have made the application for the Malahide to Donabate part. I think I read they expect the decision by November.

Duckjob

http://www.dublinpeople.com/news/northsideeast/articles/2019/10/07/4180560-a-new-bridge-for-donabate-/

plodder

https://twitter.com/Fingalcoco/status/1263876361791451137

Duckjob

Council gives updates on the Fingal Coastal Way and Broadmeadow Way greenway projects - Independent.ie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b3XTj5G_SA

Wishbone Ash

The answer suggests it will be at least 2025 before cyclists and walkers can make their way across the estuary from Donabate to Malahide.

Why do they presume walkers and cyclists would want to make their way from Donabate to Malahide? Has Malahide become the center of the universe?

Duckjob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442719#Comment_118442719

It's not that Malahide is center of the universe (although it's a nice little town). As someone who lives in Donabate, it being a peninsula with only 2 fairly wild country roads in/out it feels quite cut off from the rest of Dublin. A walk/cycleway to Malahide gives another route out of Donabate that's usable by families on bikes and doesn't have a Mad-max feel to it, whereas Hearse Rd or Turvey Ave with kids in tow would be no-no.

billyhead

It's stupid to divert up by Blake's Cross and avoid the Peninsula. Sure the peninsula is the most scenic part. I know Rogerstown estuary is lovely but cutting off Portrane is silly.

KevRossi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118442719#Comment_118442719

Firstly, it's part of a continuous walking and cycle lane along the coast.

Secondly, it joins up two towns with a combined population of ca. 30,000 people together. Brings Malahide Castle and Newbridge House within cycling and walking distance of each other and provides an amenity to local people.

North Dublin is one of the most insane places I've ever seen for non-motorised infrastructure. Swords, Donabate, Lusk, Rush, Skerries, Balbriggan, etc. etc. Well over 120,000 people and no two towns or villages are joined by a path or cycleway. It's also a seriously intimidating place to cycle and downright utterly dangerous to walk. Really is all designed to drive, like some little Americana in Ireland.

Wishbone Ash

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118485981#Comment_118485981

The point I was making has gone over your head!

petronius

I think this all sounds promising and should be a good resource. OK it will be a long time before Sandycove to Sutton, goes on to Malahide, Donabate and Skerries, but the plans for sutton to baldoyle look implementable in the short term, Portmarnock to Malahide is quite well in place. the causeway across the Broadmeadow would be excellent it would like everything need investment! But if its an aim to encourage a more active lifestyle for physical and mental health they would be hugely beneficial

the_amazing_raisin

Can I get the TLDR version of whether there's anything for Swords in the plan?

I know there's a plan to link up along the Broadmeadow river to Malahide, but a proper walking route from the town center would be nice

I was also running along the Ward river around the Naul road, there's a bunch of dirt paths running along the river, but they're not well maintained. It would be great if they could be paved and turned into a proper green way

Dazed909

Significant updates on this with a preferred route now publiched and out to consultation. Details here:

https://consult.fingal.ie/en/consultation/emerging-preferred-route-fingal-coastal-way

the_amazing_raisin

Looks like nothing for Swords in this plan, I seem to remember there's a plan to link Swords to Donabate via a new bridge across the broadmeadow river

I hope both plans go ahead, they would be great for the walking and cycling routes in the county

billyhead

I'll believe it when I see it. They might finish at Donabate and go no further.

cbreeze

The green way is a very good idea in theory, but of the massive number of posts on fingalconsult.ie there are very few in favour. Most people in the towns on the route where their areas will be affected are totally against the scheme, on grounds of physical safety for their children, removal of parking, and home security.

The route will go past my front door but I expect that it will only become problematical on a fine day in summer when there will be a lot of congestion with the traffic and extra cars parking caused by vehicles displaced from elsewhere.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120141992#Comment_120141992

Did a quick scan and it looks like the main point of contention is the proposed one way system along South Shore road in Rush

Doesn't seem like the most insurmountable problem tbh. Not sure if it's possible but I personally reckon a boardwalk along the beach would be much nicer, although would probably need to go past the golf club

I also noticed several names repeated in the submissions and the letter seems like a copy and paste job. Fair enough that the local residents are ganging together but there also might be some effort to make the level of support look greater than it is

Spook_ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119881560#Comment_119881560

Hope they finish at Malahide until they do the railway bridge. Otherwise it'll be chaos on the roads in and out of the peninsula on the Hearse Rd and Turvey Avenue to get to the Malahide/Baldoyle/Howth greenways via Swords

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204687#Comment_120204687

Surely there's no way to even walk that until the Broadmeadow Greenway is built (currently scheduled for never)?

Spook_ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205529#Comment_120205529

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/fingalindependent/news/broadmeadow-way-slated-to-open-in-2023-40225296.html

https://www.independent.ie/regionals/dublin/fingal/council-gives-updates-on-the-fingal-coastal-way-and-broadmeadow-way-greenway-projects-41208192.html

Who knows was hoped for 2023 in 2021 but don't see that happening

The latest I found under Google was

https://www.gov.ie/en/foreshore-notice/d6227-fs006909-broadmeadow-greenway/#

Which had an update on 29 Dec 2022

marathon2022

Imagine being able to walk or cycle continuously along north Dublin's coastline without the poisonous emissions from traffic or being knocked over by lunatics in cars, lorry's and tractors checking their Facebook or updating status. We can dream

Hopefully it doesn't go the way of the metro, nearly 30 years of yapping

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210116#Comment_120210116

Nonsense, they're checking their Tinder profiles 🤣

It would certainly be a fantastic local amenity. I just hope it gets built and they also make the path wide enough for separate walking and cycling lanes

A coastal stroll would be a lot more relaxing without dodging the bikes and e scooters

The Davestator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210259#Comment_120210259

The one form Portmarnock to Baldloyle is an example of how it should be done. The one along Clontarf is an example of what not to do. Hopefully they get it right

Spook_ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210116#Comment_120210116

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120210259#Comment_120210259

Yeah it would seem the majority of the inputs are because of forcing sections of it through estates, so Coastal Greenway it is not.

marathon2022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213816#Comment_120213816

I suppose they better just cancel it so.

Squeaksoutloud

Certainly some of the advance works contracts are underway for Broadmeadow. Boundary fencing and gates have just been completed along the new boundaries to fence off the route along the Donabate end.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120213816#Comment_120213816

Well I took a look at a sample of the complaints and the vast majority seem to be about one particular road in Rush

The majority of the greenway particularly outside urban areas runs along or near the coast

DownByTheGarden

I had a look at this today. Looks like a great amenity if its ever built. But the really need to look at where it is going down residential roads. Im sure the people whoi live there dont want it, but personally I would rather walk along an actual greenway than walk along a residential road. And definitely keep the bikes separate from pedestrians and ban scooters.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631614#Comment_120631614

I tend to agree, if I'm out for a walk or cycle I don't particularly want to be going down a residential street

The main issue seems to be one street in Rush, hardly an insurmountable problem

It'd be nice if they could put a boardwalk down the coast for that section, but IIRC there's a good number of houses bordering the coast and trying to put a right of way behind their back wall probably won't go down well

Although if it shifts the foot traffic off their road they might change their minds...

DownByTheGarden

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120631657#Comment_120631657

That would be a good idea alright but you would have to raise the boardwalk there for about 2km or it would be washed away. Maybe even build a sea wall and put the walk inside that. The golf club would certainly go for that and some of the houses beside the sailing club with gardens suffering from erosion might go for it too. As you say there are a fair few houses along that road whose gardens back on to the beach and are quite low so they definitely wont be happy with a wall or hundreds of people looking in their big picture windows as they walk by.

Id love to see this built though and maybe a spur up to the train station too to connect the walk to the train station.

the_amazing_raisin

Looking at the plans for greenways in Fingal, I gotta say I'm a bit disappointed with the lack of inland greenways

For example, the Broadmeadow Greenway links Malahide to Donate but doesn't extend along the Broadmeadow River to Swords

There doesn't seem to be any plans for a decent greenway along the Ward river either

Nor is there anything Westbound towards Ashtown to link up Ballyboughal or Oldtown to the coastal greenway

I get that the coastal greenway is the main focus and will probably deliver the biggest impact in terms of traffic and tourism, and it's unlikely the council has the money or resources to build multiple major greenways in parallel

But even a "future plans" page would be nice to show where they'd like to go in the longer term

Conchir

Anything recent on any of these? Broadmeadow, Baldoyle-Malahide, Fingal Coastal Way?

I think SI or enabling works were underway for Broadmeadow, are we still waiting for the preferred option and Part 8/10 submissions on the other two?

robbe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121767549#Comment_121767549

Construction work has been going on for the last few weeks at the estuary in Malahide, constant stream of trucks carrying hardcore back and forth to the site. Not sure if there was ever any resolution to how/where people would access the village but I'm sure in good time Daragh O'Brien will be having a photo op at the site and all will be revealed. Can't imagine it will be ready before next year but I don't know the timelines.

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791659#Comment_121791659

Is that section for the bridge across the estuary?

That by itself would be a big improvement for the coastal walk

SharkMX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791659#Comment_121791659

He was out in Rush about 6 months - maybe more - ago for a photoshoot beside the beach car park. He made a little speech about the improvements about to start right where he was standing. The owner of the laneway was standing right in front of him when he basically said "we are going to pave this lane and then you'll be able to walk or cycle from Skerries to the city center.

Well a few days later the laneway, which was open for 50 years was closed off. I heard later that the owner was happy to let it be used for the last 50 years but when the council decided that they owned it and were going to pave it without even asking him he closed it up. Now he has asked them to buy it off him if the want to use it and they are refusing. So thats one lovely walk that people have been able to do for decades just gone now.

robbe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791781#Comment_121791781

Assume so though I expect it will take quite some time to be completed. The Fingal website has the construction works taking 2 years.........

The Davestator

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121796084#Comment_121796084

and they can only work during the night apparently once the trains have finished

robbe

Hi,

Not sure about only being able to work at night as they're working away on the walkway to the side from the morning to afternoon - hard to tell what they're up to exactly but some of the embankment to the side of the track has been built up and there are a few trucks going to and fro constantly during the day and a large JCB out moving earth.

the_amazing_raisin

I think a lot of the work can be done during daylight hours, but as I recall the pedestrian bridge is going to be attached to the train bridge and that'll necessitate night work for a while

billyhead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121791796#Comment_121791796

He hardly owns that walk through. Is it not a public path? What right has he to block it off?

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121799354#Comment_121799354

It might be a public right of way across private land, so he could own the land but I'm pretty sure he can't block access

It could also be a private laneway which was just left open, there's a few around. I think the owner can block that if they want

In any case the council should just buy the land and knock any future disputes on the head before they start

SharkMX

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121799354#Comment_121799354

Turns out its not a public path at all, as the council found out. Between that and someone slipping on it last year and taking a claim against the council, who referred the claimant to the landowner, you can see why they might be mad enough to just close it.