Problem Travellers

Astria

So, a family of travellers moved into a private estate a few years ago, where people either own their properties or privately rent them.

It has been the most quiet lovely place to live over the years, and now.. not so much. Between the millions of cars and vans parking wherever they want, to the beeping of the car horns upon arrival or leaving - at all hours morning till night, to the fighting that spills on to the street, windows smashed in the property, and own cars at different time because of the violent husband .. Loads of the men in the family gathering in the front garden with cups of tea plotting and generally making anyone who walks by them feel uncomfortable and intimidated.. To the Gardai calling and CAB kicking the door down a few times..
Its an absolute disgrace that they are moved into areas that they clearly cannot integrate into and make NO effort to either.
I just want to know has anyone else had this problem and if so how did they deal with it, without being a target.
Absolutely sick and tired of them at this stage.

Prtb are no help whatsoever, and basically want you to put yourself in the firing line in order to deal with them, which anyone with half a brain knows that it just is not realistic to do this, due to their nature and the repercussions.

Side note ** word on the INTERNET Irish news says that they were already ran out of Mayo and since been arrested and raided on many occasions due to operation THOR .. So nice of the lovely hap landlord to not bother to check their background before moving them into a private estate!
Please help

Del2005

Keep a log and report anti social behaviour to their landlord. Eventually you can get onto the RTB for the landlord not keeping up their responsibility.

Jupiter Mulligan

I hate to tell you this, but there is literally nowhere for you to turn to for assistance. Official Ireland simply doesn't want to know. :mad:

Furthermore, if the HAP landlord had refused to rent the house to them, he could have been persecuted (sic) by the WRC under the equality legislation.

Welcome to Leo's all-singing, all-dancing, multi-cultural, multi-ethnical Ireland.

splinter65

Astria wrote: »

So, a family of travellers were been moved into a private estate a few years ago, where people either own their properties or privately rent them.

It has been the most quiet lovely place to live over the years, and now.. not so much. Between the millions of cars and vans parking wherever they want, to the beeping of the car horns upon arrival or leaving - at all hours morning till night, to the fighting that spills on to the street, windows smashed in the property, and own cars at different time because of the violent husband .. Loads of the men in the family gathering in the front garden with cups of tea plotting and generally making anyone who walks by them feel uncomfortable and intimidated.. To the Gardai calling and CAB kicking the door down a few times..
Its an absolute disgrace that they are moved into areas that they clearly cannot integrate into and make NO effort to either.
I just want to know has anyone else had this problem and if so how did they deal with it, without being a target.
Absolutely sick and tired of them at this stage.

Prtb are no help whatsoever, and basically want you to put yourself in the firing line in order to deal with them, which anyone with half a brain knows that it just is not realistic to do this, due to their nature and the repercussions.

Side note ** word on the INTERNET Irish news says that they were already ran out of Mayo and since been arrested and raided on many occasions due to operation THOR .. So nice of the lovely hap landlord to not bother to check their background before moving them into a private estate!
Please help

You do know that the right on crowd will be along now shortly to tell you how racist you are?
That there is a family with social problems living on your estate and that instead of helping them you are moaning about them because you’re a racist??

BarryD2

Todays News: https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/0604/1053288-ecri_racism_ireland/

"The 37-page report concludes that the majority of local authorities have consistently failed to provide adequate and culturally appropriate
accommodation for Travellers."

Maybe your location is not "culturally appropriate"?

Edgware

<SNIP>

Milly33

I know it is a scary thought but have ye tried actually talking to them, or sticking up for yerselfs in front of them.. Not condoning the behavior at all, i hate it and think tis a shame they get away with crap like this.. But tis worth a try, maybe someone call to the house and ask would it be ok to call over some evening or meet outside for a chat arrange it first and say you are bringing someone else.. Say what ye think and see does it do any good..

After that then ye are more or less on yer own, the RTB will do SWF about it, the council the same and the guards the same..

jopax

Milly33 wrote: »

I know it is a scary thought but have ye tried actually talking to them, or sticking up for yerselfs in front of them.. Not condoning the behavior at all, i hate it and think tis a shame they get away with crap like this.. But tis worth a try, maybe someone call to the house and ask would it be ok to call over some evening or meet outside for a chat arrange it first and say you are bringing someone else.. Say what ye think and see does it do any good..

After that then ye are more or less on yer own, the RTB will do SWF about it, the council the same and the guards the same..

Sounds scary is an understatement, the op could be a target then.
The only thing I would do is try to sell or move if possible.

boombang

I've no solution for you. You have my sympathy and I think it's a total disgrace that people like you are abandoned to deal with this sort of anti social behaviour.

Graham

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JJJackal

Astria wrote: »

So, a family of travellers were been moved into a private estate a few years ago, where people either own their properties or privately rent them.

It has been the most quiet lovely place to live over the years, and now.. not so much. Between the millions of cars and vans parking wherever they want, to the beeping of the car horns upon arrival or leaving - at all hours morning till night, to the fighting that spills on to the street, windows smashed in the property, and own cars at different time because of the violent husband .. Loads of the men in the family gathering in the front garden with cups of tea plotting and generally making anyone who walks by them feel uncomfortable and intimidated.. To the Gardai calling and CAB kicking the door down a few times..
Its an absolute disgrace that they are moved into areas that they clearly cannot integrate into and make NO effort to either.
I just want to know has anyone else had this problem and if so how did they deal with it, without being a target.
Absolutely sick and tired of them at this stage.

Prtb are no help whatsoever, and basically want you to put yourself in the firing line in order to deal with them, which anyone with half a brain knows that it just is not realistic to do this, due to their nature and the repercussions.

Side note ** word on the INTERNET Irish news says that they were already ran out of Mayo and since been arrested and raided on many occasions due to operation THOR .. So nice of the lovely hap landlord to not bother to check their background before moving them into a private estate!
Please help

Call the guards at every suggestion of trouble - if this family are running illegal operations from their house they wont need the hassle

Have you a management company in your estate? They can clamp cars poorly parked

SteM

Milly33 wrote: »

I know it is a scary thought but have ye tried actually talking to them, or sticking up for yerselfs in front of them.. Not condoning the behavior at all, i hate it and think tis a shame they get away with crap like this.. But tis worth a try, maybe someone call to the house and ask would it be ok to call over some evening or meet outside for a chat arrange it first and say you are bringing someone else.. Say what ye think and see does it do any good..

After that then ye are more or less on yer own, the RTB will do SWF about it, the council the same and the guards the same..

Yeah, I did that once when we had a similar problem on our private estate years ago. They threatened to knife me and the wife and told me they'd burn down my house. To be fair to them they only tried to burn down my shed so that worked out well.

tayto lover

It seems that Travellers can do what they like in this country.
That same scenario is replicated all across the country.

Jupiter Mulligan

tayto lover wrote: »

It seems that Travellers can do what they like in this country.
That same scenario is replicated all across the country.

I suspect that's one of the main reasons why Peter Casey came so close to getting elected to the European Parliament last week.

(Am I allowed to call him "Peter Casey" or is it mandatory on Boards.ie to call him "racist Peter Casey"?)

Astria

splinter65 wrote: »

You do know that the right on crowd will be along now shortly to tell you how racist you are?
That there is a family with social problems living on your estate and that instead of helping them you are moaning about them because you’re a racist??

Ah Stop! I know...

But still it is so frustrating.
Landlord doesn't want to get sued even though Its just not on .... their behaviour is outrageous and if it was anyone else we would be out on our ear!!!

but the problem is they just get away with it because they scream racist everyone is scared to say boo to them.

Racism has nothing to do with it.
If it was anyone moving in to an area and acting like that it would be met with the same reaction.

If they could just bloody control themselves that would be fine but the problem is that they can't!! Plain and simple.
They are treating the area like a halting site.
Pure madness!

Eric Cartman

get all your neighbours together, get a security contractor, split the cost of high definition cctv cameras on all the houses and point it towards their end of the road. keep saving video and screenshots and send them to the local council and every local td, report every car reg to gardai.

Astria

Del2005 wrote: »

Keep a log and report anti social behaviour to their landlord. Eventually you can get onto the RTB for the landlord not keeping up their responsibility.

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately this has been ongoing for so long and we actually have been down that route already and continue to do so, he is well aware of everything and is basically in the same boat in that he is frightened and has to go about things in the correct manner, which is totally understandable considering how we feel ab trying to speak to them.
Nightmare.

Astria

"The 37-page report concludes that the majority of local authorities have consistently failed to provide adequate and culturally appropriate
accommodation for Travellers."

Maybe your location is not "culturally appropriate"?[/quote]

Agreed it definitely isn't.
But it wouldn't be a problem for them to be living here if they could bloody control themselves
Frustration doesn't even cover it.
There are loads of old people living around here too.. Imagine being retired in a lovely home you live in and paid for from their hard working years and then being stuck next to these people.
Its just awful.

whippet

I got caught out as a landlord about 8 years back - I left my rental to an agent to look after - he managed to let it to a traveller - single mother - well single until her husband got released from prison.

They destroyed my house in the space of six months - beyond belief the damage that could be done by people who were actually living there at the same time. Rent was paid for the first two months and then nothing.

I did it all by the book in terms of issuing notice to quit - absolutely no use what so ever - the response was a demand for €10k 'relocation expenses' from the husband - this was then dropped to €5k and they would be out 'with in 24hours' ... this rolled on for a few weeks until the husband made a few dodgy career moves and needed to get away fairly quickly and the family moved with him.

So a very expensive lesson and in why not to be a landlord in ireland

Astria

JJJackal wrote: »

Call the guards at every suggestion of trouble - if this family are running illegal operations from their house they wont need the hassle

Have you a management company in your estate? They can clamp cars poorly parked

Thanks for your reply, yes the Gardai are called at every point that it spills outside... But they seem to just laugh and walk away every time.. I know factually they are told nothing is going on when they arrive.. You know the drill they are all well versed to give once the authorities are called.

No management company unfortunately.. Just an estate.

Jupiter Mulligan

Astria wrote: »

Ah Stop! I know...

But still it is so frustrating.
Landlord doesn't want to get sued even though Its just not on .... their behaviour is outrageous and if it was anyone else we would be out on our ear!!!

but the problem is they just get away with it because they scream racist everyone is scared to say boo to them.

Racism has nothing to do with it.
If it was anyone moving in to an area and acting like that it would be met with the same reaction.

If they could just bloody control themselves that would be fine but the problem is that they can't!! Plain and simple.
They are treating the area like a halting site.
Pure madness!

You appear to be writing as one resident of the estate, is there any chance that you can get together with some of the others and set up some sort of a committee which might then be able to approach local Councillors (there's usually one or two who are sound) or even the Gardai if there are serious ongoing anti-social problems.

Del2005

Astria wrote: »

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately this has been ongoing for so long and we actually have been down that route already and continue to do so, he is well aware of everything and is basically in the same boat in that he is frightened and has to go about things in the correct manner, which is totally understandable considering how we feel ab trying to speak to them.
Nightmare.

He can issue eviction notices then for anti social behaviour. It'll be a slow process but they will be moved eventually.

Jupiter Mulligan

Del2005 wrote: »

He can issue eviction notices then for anti social behaviour. It'll be a slow process but they will be moved eventually.

Can you imagine the condition of the house when he gets it back having evicted them?

eviltwin

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

Can you imagine the condition of the house when he gets it back having evicted them?

My neighbour has been fixing the damage caused by travellers for the last year. It's a costly mistake but he was never around to check up on them. He's learned a valuable lesson.

L1011

Jupiter Mulligan wrote: »

27 posts and no sign of the virtue signallers yet!

Presumably they're all on their way down to Clare to get front row seats for the anti-Trump protests tomorrow. Have fun, lads and lassies!

Useful posts only, thanks

They are untouchable, there's nothing you can do to change their culture.



The only thing you can do is move.

cisk

cisk wrote: »

They are untouchable

When Travellers were recognised as an ethnic minority in 2017, this was reinforced. With added protections, they have carte blanche to do as they please without any fear of consequence. Inevitably, this pertains to anti-social behaviour and criminality. Any criticism directed their way is quickly met with a cry of victimhood/persecution. A depressing state of affairs, and it's not going to improve unless the 'softly-softly' government amend their approach.

red petal

Unfortunately, there's very little you can do until they up and leave themselves. Having had them squat next door to me and make our quiet road a living nightmare, I feel your pain.

We have a guard living on our road and constantly onto the PRTB and the guards and nothing could be done until they left leaving nothing but the carcass of a house- banisters, fireplace everything ripped out.

red petal

red petal wrote: »

Unfortunately, there's very little you can do until they up and leave themselves. Having had them squat next door to me and make our quiet road a living nightmare, I feel your pain.

We have a guard living on our road and constantly onto the PRTB and the guards and nothing could be done until they left leaving nothing but the carcass of a house- banisters, fireplace everything ripped out.

A fleet of caravans appeared at a construction site two summers ago, a half-mile from my property. They barricaded themselves in, and repeated calls to the council fell on deaf ears. Rubbish began to pile up, which lead to a rat infestation. The Travellers contacted the local newspaper, which then proceeded to print a front page sob story. No rational person bought it, and animosity grew against the illegal occupation.

Eventually (after six months) they disappeared in the dead of night, and left behind a large mound of refuse. The clean-up set back the council five figures, an appalling waste of resources. Not an ounce of self-respect from the Travellers, and yet they demand it.

dhaughton99

The council moved a family of them into a brand new house in an extension to our estate around 9 months ago. You can no longer let the kids out in the estate, it’s like a ghost town. No one dares risk it. Their kids running rampage, lighting fires in the grass area. Fireworks. Gangs of men sitting around watching everything going on. Music blaring. Cars and vans lashing around. The new thing is a massive bouncy castle out their back garden. Fun fair sized. Takes up the whole back garden. Motor running everyday since the weather got decent. One family already had to move out because a father went over to the house to have words over his daughter getting hit and the traveler father walking into this mans house when he got back and started attacking him in the kitchen. He ended up stabbing the traveler in the shoulder. Packed all their stuff and fled a few nights after it because of the intimidation.

Graham

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BarryD2

These are tough situations to be in that affect ordinary decent people trying to make and pay their way in life. Not much fear that the issue will arise in Dundrum or Malahide, Donnybrook or Dalkey etc., with the result that those higher up the political and legal food chains don't care so much, if at all.

jk23

This has happened a good few times before in Galway near where I live. Police are scared because they could target their families. Ireland is a small country and they know a good proportion of the community don't give a hoot about the law.
I wish I could stick up for the very few good travellers I have met but I have had more bad experiences than good ones unfortunately.

The_Conductor

OP- all you can do is make repeated complaints to the landlord- alongside third party complaints to the RTB.
I would emphasise in the third party complaints to the RTB- that your personal details are not to be released under any circumstance as you fear physical abuse if they do so. I would also continually make complaints, when you have valid reason to do so- to An Garda Síochána. If nothing else- its on the record.

Unfortunately- it really is the case that as many residents as possible are going to have to continually lodge complaints- for as long as it takes- in any many different venues as possible (RTB, the Landlord, An Garda Síochána, The local authority etc etc)- until such time as the weight of the complaints is sufficient for the worse of the individuals to move on- or the RTB or others- go legal to get a resolution for the issues (even if their resolution is simply to get the complainants to shut up- if it means the individuals causing trouble have to move on- then you have a result).

Having lived next door to people like this in Lucan- and our estate had to be evacuated when they tapped the gas supply leading to a gas leak- and no heat for anyone for weeks in the middle of winter (the ESB didn't seem to care when they bypassed the electricity)- I know the disruption and devastation problem people can cause.

It is a bit of a you're damned no matter what you do case. Either you complain and continue to do so continually- or you accept that its a battle you're not even going to fight- and move out yourself.

The_Conductor

As I genuinely do not believe the OP is going to get advice from anyone which both falls within the remit of the forum- and is not in breach of any rules- thread closed.